pawian
9 Jan 2013
pawian
9 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]
And moustache!
I think there is, but it's down to fashion, hair and make-up.
And moustache!
pawian
9 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]
No. It won`t happen during our life time. :):):):):)
That is why, relax.
Just be yourself. Have fun.
No. It won`t happen during our life time. :):):):):)
That is why, relax.
Just be yourself. Have fun.
pawian
9 Jan 2013
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1410]
Relax. Should Poles care?
We seem to be much too sensitive.
The main aim of this thread is to answer the question why do foreigners have silly ideas about Poles?
Relax. Should Poles care?
We seem to be much too sensitive.
pawian
9 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
You make me blush. :):):)
Sometimes it is unavoidable, especially when J Kaczyński is discussed.
Yes!! It lasted till late 80s!
And got imprinted in Polish culture of the time, reproduced in books etc and even parodied in a comedy or two:
I dislike Mondays from 1971
At 8:00
I don't.
You make me blush. :):):)
I want to talk and hear about Poland, not listen to rants and raves about other peoples demons
Sometimes it is unavoidable, especially when J Kaczyński is discussed.
During the PRL, they used to have proper deliveries from a milkman, at least here in Warsaw.
Yes!! It lasted till late 80s!
And got imprinted in Polish culture of the time, reproduced in books etc and even parodied in a comedy or two:
I dislike Mondays from 1971
At 8:00
pawian
9 Jan 2013
Life / News on driving in Poland [57]
Courts are already harsh on offenders, e.g., even a biker who broke the speed limit (40 km) on his bike (53 km) was fined. He claimed that he hadn`t known how fast he had been going due to the lack of speedometer but it didn`t matter to the judge. Certainly it didn`t help he was riding naked.
Cyclist in Poland
Cyclist from Pomerania, Poland , which exceeded the speed of riding naked on the bike has to pay 1000 zł 100 zł fines and court costs . The court upheld Szczecinek released earlier in his verdict prescriptive .
The court found Mariusz Sztuba guilty and again sentenced him to a fine of 1,000 zł . The man did not agree with the verdict and is considering an appeal . Do not , however, lose humor.
crucify people with debts, really make them hurt, taking a hardline is the only thing that'll work here, since nothing else has.
Courts are already harsh on offenders, e.g., even a biker who broke the speed limit (40 km) on his bike (53 km) was fined. He claimed that he hadn`t known how fast he had been going due to the lack of speedometer but it didn`t matter to the judge. Certainly it didn`t help he was riding naked.
Cyclist in Poland
Cyclist from Pomerania, Poland , which exceeded the speed of riding naked on the bike has to pay 1000 zł 100 zł fines and court costs . The court upheld Szczecinek released earlier in his verdict prescriptive .
The court found Mariusz Sztuba guilty and again sentenced him to a fine of 1,000 zł . The man did not agree with the verdict and is considering an appeal . Do not , however, lose humor.
pawian
9 Jan 2013
Language / Fun with Polish ambiguous language [59]
Żołnierz wychylił głowę z okopu i coś mu strzeliło do głowy.
What does it mean?:
Daleko stoisz?
Żołnierz wychylił głowę z okopu i coś mu strzeliło do głowy.
What does it mean?:
Daleko stoisz?
pawian
9 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Not disagreed. Only enriched with details a little bit. Enkidu made a good post with general facts while others benefited from it and described details. Everything is fine.
Not disagreed. Only enriched with details a little bit. Enkidu made a good post with general facts while others benefited from it and described details. Everything is fine.
pawian
9 Jan 2013
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
PieS rhymes with BieS! Those PiS monsters are devils, indeed. :):):):)
PieS rhymes with BieS! Those PiS monsters are devils, indeed. :):):):)
pawian
9 Jan 2013
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
Tusk is lovely, indeed.
But the dog looks disgusted! :):):):)
pawian: The photo of Tusk and his dog is causing a positive furor on the Net:
A lovely picture!
A lovely picture!
Tusk is lovely, indeed.
But the dog looks disgusted! :):):):)
pawian
9 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
In drastic cases (depended on the workplace) those people could even lose their jobs and all benefits connected with it.
Of course, I don`t mind, I am not responsible for my parents` actions, but not ashamed of being their child, either. In 1980-81 both joined Solidarity and participated in protests and strike actions in Krakow before the martial law.
Of course. You have never lived in a communist country: :):):):):):):):)
Matthew 6:25-34 ESV
“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ...
How could I forget?
In 1970s.
In 1980s the police had bigger problems than the homeless. I remember spending a night at Gdynia railway station in 1986. The departure lounge was full of shabby, mostly drunk, probably homeless guys and nobody cared.
In case you misunderstood, the link is an article in Polish, not a film.
What kind of problems would the communist party make for those people who did not attend their parades?
In drastic cases (depended on the workplace) those people could even lose their jobs and all benefits connected with it.
Just to clarify, I am asking about life in communism in general, not specifically about your parents.
Of course, I don`t mind, I am not responsible for my parents` actions, but not ashamed of being their child, either. In 1980-81 both joined Solidarity and participated in protests and strike actions in Krakow before the martial law.
I must have missed that particular Sunday lesson.
Of course. You have never lived in a communist country: :):):):):):):):)
Matthew 6:25-34 ESV
“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. ...
(wow. thanks for the kind mention Pawian :)
How could I forget?
SeanBM: What did they do with them?
E.g., they could be taken to the police station and beaten with truncheons.
E.g., they could be taken to the police station and beaten with truncheons.
In 1970s.
In 1980s the police had bigger problems than the homeless. I remember spending a night at Gdynia railway station in 1986. The departure lounge was full of shabby, mostly drunk, probably homeless guys and nobody cared.
Thank you for the link, I will watch it.
In case you misunderstood, the link is an article in Polish, not a film.
pawian
8 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
It isn`t the only interesting thread about communism in Poland. Check out other threads by our excellent popster, Rybnik:
https://polishforums.com/history/american-studying-medicine-prl-story-49762/
https://polishforums.com/history/poland-like-soviet-house-cards-fell-51702/
This is the most interesting thread I've read on Polish forums. Thank you to everyone who is contributing constructively. I am learning a lot here.
It isn`t the only interesting thread about communism in Poland. Check out other threads by our excellent popster, Rybnik:
https://polishforums.com/history/american-studying-medicine-prl-story-49762/
https://polishforums.com/history/poland-like-soviet-house-cards-fell-51702/
pawian
8 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
They could have problems at their workplaces.
But that was probably the only time they went because I don`t remember being taken to any other parades.
E.g., they could be taken to the police station and beaten with truncheons. After such treatment, they didn`t dare to appear on city streets. They slept in empty ruins in the outskirts or in freight carriages on railway stations. Some moved to the countryside and worked in communist farms.
A document on homelss in communism
Blue birds is from the Bible.
Taken at night when decent Poles used to stay in, watching TV and getting ready to bed.
Some guys think different. :):):)
What would have happened if they did not attend?
They could have problems at their workplaces.
But that was probably the only time they went because I don`t remember being taken to any other parades.
What did they do with them?
E.g., they could be taken to the police station and beaten with truncheons. After such treatment, they didn`t dare to appear on city streets. They slept in empty ruins in the outskirts or in freight carriages on railway stations. Some moved to the countryside and worked in communist farms.
A document on homelss in communism
Blue birds is from the Bible.
With everyone working and the communist police taking care of the homeless, there are no people left on the streets of the photos you posted :)
Taken at night when decent Poles used to stay in, watching TV and getting ready to bed.
Good to see you're back Pawian, this place isn't the same without you.
Some guys think different. :):):)
pawian
8 Jan 2013
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
Little silly boy. :):):):):):):):)
Edit: :):):):):):):)
Little silly boy. :):):):):):):):)
Edit: :):):):):):):)
pawian
8 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
OK, I give up my Trabant world record. :):):)
Yes! Enkidu made great job, providing real food for thought and material for further development. Thanks!
Yes. I still remember foreigners` comments on Polish women in 1980s- classy!
We never reached the Turkish border, only got to Golden Sands in our Trabant. :(:(:(:(
It is natural - they had orders to shoot any trespassers. To death.
Yes, true. Most people had similar earnings. Exchanged into foreign currency (at the black market rate) : 20 -30 $ per month.
Yes, after having worked in a factory, office, mine etc etc for a long time it was possible to receive a flat. But still you had to pay about 25% of its value.
However, such flats` quality was incredibly low. Even Polish comedies from 1970s noticed it and communist censorship had to close an eye because it was so notorious:
Amazing technical problems after moving in, from 1:15:
No,the record was set by my uncle-4 ppl,luggage,tent,gas cylinder and other staff in Maluch :)
OK, I give up my Trabant world record. :):):)
excellent post, enkidu.
Yes! Enkidu made great job, providing real food for thought and material for further development. Thanks!
I don't really agree about people wearing the same clothes though, like uniforms. Just about every woman knew how to sew, or at least adapt what was available to the latest fashion.
Yes. I still remember foreigners` comments on Polish women in 1980s- classy!
We never reached the Turkish border, only got to Golden Sands in our Trabant. :(:(:(:(
(the East Germans had no sense of humor)
It is natural - they had orders to shoot any trespassers. To death.
Money did not matter much. I know that is hard to believe but really - everybody got the money. And the money was mostly useless.
Yes, true. Most people had similar earnings. Exchanged into foreign currency (at the black market rate) : 20 -30 $ per month.
For instance - flats were given not bought. If you wanted to live in your own flat - you should find a job and make yourself useful. You get married and applied for a flat. In time - it was given to you
Yes, after having worked in a factory, office, mine etc etc for a long time it was possible to receive a flat. But still you had to pay about 25% of its value.
However, such flats` quality was incredibly low. Even Polish comedies from 1970s noticed it and communist censorship had to close an eye because it was so notorious:
Amazing technical problems after moving in, from 1:15:
pawian
8 Jan 2013
News / Achievements of the Tusk's Polish government [538]
The photo of Tusk and his dog is causing a positive furor on the Net:
donald_tusk_i_pies_szeryf_640x0_rozmiar-niestandardowy.jpg
Poles are proud to have a Prime Minister who loves animals. :):):):)
The photo of Tusk and his dog is causing a positive furor on the Net:
donald_tusk_i_pies_szeryf_640x0_rozmiar-niestandardowy.jpg
Poles are proud to have a Prime Minister who loves animals. :):):):)
pawian
8 Jan 2013
Life / News on driving in Poland [57]
The aim of this thread is to present new laws/legal acts/reforms/changes etc etc concerning driving in Poland.
Opps! The end of paradise for Polish drivers? Traditional hairdryers
and regular radars
are slowly pushed out by new technologies. The authorities are installing high tech dual direction radars
Rostowski, Minister of Finance, is planning to gather unbelievable1.5 billion zlotys from fines and tickets for the state budget this year.
There are the first dissenting voices in Poland as to what action the new speed controllers . The idea is that the director is notified of the commission of the offense after the fact , however, is not pre- warned as is the case of fixed speed cameras. Alternatively , if they are " caught " by a vehicle equipped with a video recorder are immediately punished mandate. The thing is that the director does not have consciousness, if they are controlled or not, because there is no information on the control of photo radar . However, the provisions are directed as in the case of unmarked patrol cars equipped with video recorders , and even believe that this driver will be ridden more formally , since they're not sure whether or not it is going for a vehicle equipped with a speed camera .
The aim of this thread is to present new laws/legal acts/reforms/changes etc etc concerning driving in Poland.
Opps! The end of paradise for Polish drivers? Traditional hairdryers
and regular radars
are slowly pushed out by new technologies. The authorities are installing high tech dual direction radars
Rostowski, Minister of Finance, is planning to gather unbelievable1.5 billion zlotys from fines and tickets for the state budget this year.
There are the first dissenting voices in Poland as to what action the new speed controllers . The idea is that the director is notified of the commission of the offense after the fact , however, is not pre- warned as is the case of fixed speed cameras. Alternatively , if they are " caught " by a vehicle equipped with a video recorder are immediately punished mandate. The thing is that the director does not have consciousness, if they are controlled or not, because there is no information on the control of photo radar . However, the provisions are directed as in the case of unmarked patrol cars equipped with video recorders , and even believe that this driver will be ridden more formally , since they're not sure whether or not it is going for a vehicle equipped with a speed camera .
pawian
7 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Yes! My parents had a Trabant for a few years in 1970s! :):):):) We drove to the seaside in it, 4 people plus luggage. World record.
Yes! My parents had a Trabant for a few years in 1970s! :):):):) We drove to the seaside in it, 4 people plus luggage. World record.
pawian
7 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Owsiak went back on his words and said he had been misunderstood. He was only sharing certain dillemma of his with the interviewer but in fact he has never been a supporter of euthanasia.
Jerzy Owsiak denied that he was a supporter of euthanasia. Earlier, the head of the Great Orchestra of Christmas Charity urged politicians to canceled his words that caused a storm .
I am for euthanasia and have never been . I'm talking about the dilemmas of a man who has the courage to admit that when watching the suffering , it asks for its meaning. Discussion and exchange of views is important - Owsiak said on TVN 24 .
Today the Polish RC Church issued an official declaration fully condeming euthaniasia. Euthanasia is out of question.
Human life is too precious to reckless statements result in a loss of its importance - Team members believe the Polish Episcopate for Pastoral Assistance to Health.
In his declaration criticizes team Jerzy Owsiak his say about euthanasia. In an interview with dziennik.pl he said among other things that euthanasia is to help the elderly in suffering.
The National Health Service Chaplain Father Stanislaw Warzeszak in an interview with the Agency 's Information Radio recalls the position of the church - euthanasia is murder . The priest says clearly that man is the master of life and has no right to deprive him or herself or someone innego.Eutanazja is murder, even with the consent of the other person - said the priest Warzeszak .
Owsiak went back on his words and said he had been misunderstood. He was only sharing certain dillemma of his with the interviewer but in fact he has never been a supporter of euthanasia.
Jerzy Owsiak denied that he was a supporter of euthanasia. Earlier, the head of the Great Orchestra of Christmas Charity urged politicians to canceled his words that caused a storm .
I am for euthanasia and have never been . I'm talking about the dilemmas of a man who has the courage to admit that when watching the suffering , it asks for its meaning. Discussion and exchange of views is important - Owsiak said on TVN 24 .
Today the Polish RC Church issued an official declaration fully condeming euthaniasia. Euthanasia is out of question.
Human life is too precious to reckless statements result in a loss of its importance - Team members believe the Polish Episcopate for Pastoral Assistance to Health.
In his declaration criticizes team Jerzy Owsiak his say about euthanasia. In an interview with dziennik.pl he said among other things that euthanasia is to help the elderly in suffering.
The National Health Service Chaplain Father Stanislaw Warzeszak in an interview with the Agency 's Information Radio recalls the position of the church - euthanasia is murder . The priest says clearly that man is the master of life and has no right to deprive him or herself or someone innego.Eutanazja is murder, even with the consent of the other person - said the priest Warzeszak .
pawian
7 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Yes, except for private boutiques where prices varied considerably.
Not really. There were two or three dozen furniture manufacturers then, state or semiprivate, they produced quite a variety of stuff, I don`t remember seeing the same furniture like ours in my family`s / classmates` etc houses.
A little more.
Throughout 1970s and 1980s, cars produced or assembled in Poland: - Warszawa, Syrena, Fiat 126, Fiat 126, Fiat 127, Fiat 128, Fiat 131, Polonez, Zastava 1100, .
autokult.pl/2008/02/25/top-10-polskich-aut-epoki-prl-u
plus imported Skodas (Czechoslovakia), £adas, Wołgas and Zaporożec (USSR), Dacias (Romania), Trabants and Wartburgs (East Germany) etc etc.
In every shop there was exactly the same stuff at exactly the same price (no special offers or "buy one get one free").
Yes, except for private boutiques where prices varied considerably.
Unification was total. In every house you would find exactly the same set of furniture. Not "similar" - exactly the same. .
Not really. There were two or three dozen furniture manufacturers then, state or semiprivate, they produced quite a variety of stuff, I don`t remember seeing the same furniture like ours in my family`s / classmates` etc houses.
There was a few kinds of cars (I believe about 4 different models)
A little more.
Throughout 1970s and 1980s, cars produced or assembled in Poland: - Warszawa, Syrena, Fiat 126, Fiat 126, Fiat 127, Fiat 128, Fiat 131, Polonez, Zastava 1100, .
autokult.pl/2008/02/25/top-10-polskich-aut-epoki-prl-u
plus imported Skodas (Czechoslovakia), £adas, Wołgas and Zaporożec (USSR), Dacias (Romania), Trabants and Wartburgs (East Germany) etc etc.
pawian
7 Jan 2013
Language / Fun with Polish ambiguous language [59]
Neither in mine. It sounds Russian, indeed.
Another one:
Siedzi baba i słyszy tupanie z szafy, otwiera, a to jej sukienka wychodzi z mody.
A woman hears steps from her wardrobe, opens it and sees how her dress is going out of fashion.
Definitely not used in my region :)
Neither in mine. It sounds Russian, indeed.
- but I am aware that Russian has 'zakliuczit''
Another one:
Siedzi baba i słyszy tupanie z szafy, otwiera, a to jej sukienka wychodzi z mody.
A woman hears steps from her wardrobe, opens it and sees how her dress is going out of fashion.
pawian
7 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Really? I don`t remember that.
No, glass milk tasted like shyt. Milk in a bag was professional! :):):)
PS. Shyt. I made a mistake! Foiled is the wrong term! :):) So what is the proper word for milk in a plastic bag?
your shock more than likely stemmed from the fact that the bag was leaking!
Really? I don`t remember that.
As far as taste goes, I prefered the glass (as I do my beer;)
No, glass milk tasted like shyt. Milk in a bag was professional! :):):)
PS. Shyt. I made a mistake! Foiled is the wrong term! :):) So what is the proper word for milk in a plastic bag?
pawian
7 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Yes, that`s what I meant. They originated in late 1970s (I still remember our shock when mother brought foiled milk home) and have remained till today.
Funny, but that foiled milk somehow tasted better than the bottled one.
Yes, that`s what I meant. They originated in late 1970s (I still remember our shock when mother brought foiled milk home) and have remained till today.
Funny, but that foiled milk somehow tasted better than the bottled one.
pawian
7 Jan 2013
pawian
6 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Yes and no. In some cases goods were better king. E.g., paying with a can of deficit export ham mattered much more than cash.
Cash was king,
Yes and no. In some cases goods were better king. E.g., paying with a can of deficit export ham mattered much more than cash.
pawian
6 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
I attended only one as a child. Yes, I got a balloon and a giant red lollipop. A few years later parents told me they had to go. :):):)
The communist police called militia took care of it - the streets had to be clean - communism couldn`t have homeless people, come on. :):):):)
Exactly. those who shun work were called blue birds. :):):)
No. I still remember giant neon ads in Krakow, e.g., one which advertised Soviet railways (with moving wheels, incredible) And Warsaw and other big cities were full of them.
More: skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1204331
Milk was sold in giant glass bottles - only two kinds - regular (silver cap) and rich fat (golden cap).
s.v3.tvp.pl/images/d/c/a/uid_dcad3269e31955f94a57ae24d933dc8f1274101790513_width_268_play_0_pos_3_gs_0.jpg
The only communist relict that survived till today is a small bottle of kefir with a green cap:
I liked the 1st May parade. With the flags, music, sweets.
I attended only one as a child. Yes, I got a balloon and a giant red lollipop. A few years later parents told me they had to go. :):):)
There was no one homeless.
The communist police called militia took care of it - the streets had to be clean - communism couldn`t have homeless people, come on. :):):):)
"Avoiding of the duty of work" was an criminal offence. lol
Exactly. those who shun work were called blue birds. :):):)
here was no advertisements or flashing neons.
No. I still remember giant neon ads in Krakow, e.g., one which advertised Soviet railways (with moving wheels, incredible) And Warsaw and other big cities were full of them.
More: skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1204331
Milk was simply a milk.
Milk was sold in giant glass bottles - only two kinds - regular (silver cap) and rich fat (golden cap).
s.v3.tvp.pl/images/d/c/a/uid_dcad3269e31955f94a57ae24d933dc8f1274101790513_width_268_play_0_pos_3_gs_0.jpg
The only communist relict that survived till today is a small bottle of kefir with a green cap:
pawian
6 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
Early 1970s Gierek shops:
More
fakty.interia.pl/galerie/fakty/1-majowe-pochody/zdjecie/duze,12 53541,22
Yes, but Poles had no choice then. 1 million Soviet troops stationed in Eastern Europe, including Poland. So, wasn`t it better that Poland was ruled by Polish communist swine rather than Soviet swines? :):):):)
but my non-communist grandparents do remember a brief period of relative material well-being around that time.
Early 1970s Gierek shops:
More
fakty.interia.pl/galerie/fakty/1-majowe-pochody/zdjecie/duze,12 53541,22
I detest that guy and everyone else who was actively helping him to subdue Poland at the time.
Yes, but Poles had no choice then. 1 million Soviet troops stationed in Eastern Europe, including Poland. So, wasn`t it better that Poland was ruled by Polish communist swine rather than Soviet swines? :):):):)
pawian
6 Jan 2013
History / Life in communist Poland - personal relations [503]
I have nothing against as long as the ad is a joke.
Such ads are directed at young people who know very little nothing about communism.
Lenin in your ad is a caricature, indeed. The ad is meant to be amusing.
Pawian, what do you think of communism being used in advertisements?
I have nothing against as long as the ad is a joke.
Such ads are directed at young people who know very little nothing about communism.
given Poland's history it seems ridiculous to me to use such icons to sell things but perhaps Poles see the irony better than me, of using the symbols of communism to sell products?
Lenin in your ad is a caricature, indeed. The ad is meant to be amusing.
pawian
6 Jan 2013
pawian
6 Jan 2013