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pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

When is this country going to get to grips with it's inner city deprivation and severe social problems and stop punching above it's weight.

Why are you out of the blue talking about the USA in a thread about Chechen matters? I don`t understand.....

And, highly possible, my so liberal and humanity-filled brain will be well mixed with my not so pleasant looking sh*t and that mix will be fried well with kerosene flames, if the guy in that building is lucky one.

Yes, soldiers` dilemmas. That is why I never wanted to be a soldier, although I am deeply interested in the history of wars. :):):)

And even if the guy is not so lucky, I would prefer to face (maybe, sometime in future) with judges of Hague tribunal rather than face with field tribunal of my own army. ;)

Again, soldier`s dilemma.

Believe me, I would always prefer to visit Poland as electronics engineer on a car... ;)

I visited Moscow in 1970s on a private trip as a small boy. We went to that giant department store near the Red Square, Univermag,and my parent bought me a small motorboat with a small electric propeller. It was one of my favourite toys in childhood. :):):):):)

What was your favourite toy?
pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

What will happen if I will say "Yes"? What differences we'll observe if I will say "No"?

Well, I was curious. Were you ready to admit that Russian military should be tried before independent courts for their crimes in Chechenya?

You nicely evaded the question. Good work! :):):):)

Imagine that I'm tank commander and hear the order radioed to me - "red brick building, second right from the road, ATM launcher inside, destroy"....

You forgot to add the third option:

3. I may think: "What if the building is occupied by civilians? Should I press the button? .......
hmm.... if they are still there, it means they support the terrorists. To hell with them!" Then quickly select HE shell on loading system (if not loaded already), target well and happily press the trigger, praying that the guy in that building didn't manage to press their first.

Well, I'm officer (in reserve) of Russian Army, tank forces.

Hello, Velund. I am a teacher from Poland and my favourite subject is history. :):):):)
pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

From the same source...

Ok, the Chechen terrorist Zakayev goes to Moscow for trial while Russian terrorists in their Russian military uniforms go to Hague for trial.

Agreed?

Why to Hague and not locally, in Moscow?

On April 29, 2004, a Russian court in Rostov-on-Don acquitted four GRU special forces unit officers of the shooting dead six Chechen civilians including a disabled woman. In the incident in January 2000, Cpt. Eduard Ulman's unit killed a civilian and subsequently extrajudicially executed five more with silenced weapons; the commandos then burned the bodies in the victims' vehicle. They were again found not guilty in a retrial on May 19, 2005; although the four admitted to the killings, the court ruled that their actions were not punishable as they had been following orders. The acquittals of Cpt. Ulman and his three subordinates sparked a public outrage in Chechnya, where rights advocates and many Chechens say Russian forces act with impunity. During the third court hearings Ulman and the two officers mysteriously disappeared

Chechen leader Akhmed Zakayev, detained today in Warsaw in connection with a Russian prosecution against him on terrorist charges, was released Friday evening after a court ruling.

The court ruling noted Zakayev’s refugee status in the UK, and said Poland, as part of the EU, must respect this status.

pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

If there is criminals, can you give an examples of their crimes? Not the common words, but places and dates. I can see what is available in Russian speaking sources in Internet about this. But a bit later - leaving home tomorrow for a 3 week business trip and have no time right now.

Really amusing you can`t spare 5 seconds to type Russian war crimes in Chechenyaand receive a dozen of entries.
Check this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

You can read there about Russian and Chechen crimes, as well as European courts` rulings on Russian crimes.

And, of course, most "crimes against chechens" have a very similar level of documentation. They often solve their inter-clan problems by killing someone, and then show the photos of dead body to the world and say "look what russians do..." One shot, two bunnies hunted...

Really?

An excerpt from the entry:
* On December 3, 1999, at least 40 people fleeing the besieged Grozny were shot and killed by Russian troops, leaving only seven wounded survivors.

* In early December 1999, Russian troops under command of general Vladimir Shamanov killed up to 41 civilians during two-week drunken rampage in the village of Alkhan-Yurt, near Grozny.

* In several incidents during December 1999 and January 2000 in the Staropromyslovski district of Grozny, Russian troops killed at least 50 unarmed civilians, mostly elderly men and women.


And European court ruling: en.wikipedia.org/?title=International_response_to_the_Second_Chechen_War
pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

I hope well documented personal participation of Zakayev in murder of two orthodox priests in 1996 (definitely, not armed forces) is enough to start thinking that something is wrong?

Who documented it? Russian special services?

Read this:
Yes, this is my testimony.'

'Did you testify that Mr. Zakayev ordered to kidnap the two priests?'

'I did.'

'Is that true?'

'No, that is not.'

'Why did you make this testimony?'

'I was forced to.'

pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

I think nobody will ask your approval. ;)

I was talking to Marek and this is the matter between us. Haven`t you noticed? :):):)

If you want to join our discussion let me ask you: What do you think about the idea of tracking down and trying Russian war criminals? :):):) So that there is nice balance in nature, i.e. not only Chechens are put on trial?
pawian   
17 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

I agree on one condition - all Russian military criminals who comitted war crimes in Chechenya, including levelling Chechen villages by carpet bombing, will be sent to independent European courts in Hague and handled in a proper way.

There is no excuse for killing innocent civilians - these are your own words which are correct.

Only then I can agree to Zakajev`s extradition and trial in Moscow.

Agreed?
pawian   
16 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

Luckily, the government seems sensible...

Akhmed Khalidovich Zakayev has arrived in Warsaw to attend the Chechen Nation World Congress near the capital but will not face extradition to Russia, reports the PAP news agency.

Earlier today the Attorney General's office said that if the Chechen leader, who is wanted by Russian on terrorism charges, steps foot in Poland then they would be compelled to arrest him.

Interpol also has an warrant out for the arrest of Zakayev - who has lived in London for some years - which would force Poland to consider an extradition request from Russia.

But an anonymous source close to the government in Warsaw told the PAP news agency that the chances of Zakayev being handed over to the Russians "were zero".


thenews.pl/international/artykul139776.html

In 1904 Piłsudski took part in anti-Russian terrorist attacks, fighting for Polish independence.
In 1905 he went to Japan.

If the Japanese had handed him over to Russians then, today we would consider it an extremely unfair treatment of the Polish fighter.

Pawian with your thinking Polish home army were terrorists as they kill german soldiers, you are wrong.

Of course, they were Polnische Banditen, weren`t they? :):):)

Ok, you are partly right. :):):)
pawian   
16 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

The way they are going about it I do not agree but they are not first ones to use terror to fight for their independence.

Piłsudski, considered a hero, a creator of independent Poland, was a pure terrorist for some time:
In the fall of 1904, Piłsudski formed a paramilitary unit (the Combat Organization of the Polish Socialist Party, or bojówki) aiming to create an armed resistance movement against the Russian authorities.[43] The PPS organized an increasing numbers of demonstrations, mainly in Warsaw; on 28 October 1904, Russian Cossack cavalry attacked a demonstration, and in reprisal, during a demonstration on 13 November Piłsudski's paramilitary opened fire on Russian police and military.[43][45] Initially concentrating their attention on spies and informers, in March 1905 the paramilitary began using bombs to assassinate selected Russian police officers.
pawian   
15 Sep 2010
News / Chechen Congress in Poland, Russia frowns [90]

Russia concerned over Chechen congress in Poland

Russia has conveyed its unease at the Chechen Nation World Congress to be staged in Poland on 16-18 September.
The Russian ambassador to Poland Aleksander Alekseyev warned suspected terrorists would be taking part.
"Russia has an extremely negative attitude towards such events," said Alekseyev adding that Ahmed Zakayev, head of the Chechen government-in-exile and who is accused by Russians of terrorism, will participate at the congress.

The Russian ambassador also confirmed that President Dmitry Medvedev will pay an official visit to Poland this year. Alekseyev said that Russia hopes the talks to be "very substantial."


russia-concerned-over-chechen-congress-in-poland

Polish authorities seem to be intent on avoiding Russian anger.....

Polish arrest warning for top Chechen rebel Zakayev
Leading Chechen rebel Akhmed Zakayev has been warned by Poland that he faces arrest on a Russian warrant if he visits the country this week.

Mr Zakayev, who has been living in the UK since receiving political asylum in 2003, says he means to attend a Chechen congress opening in Poland on Thursday.

Russia regards him as a terrorist and has an international warrant lodged against him through Interpol.
Poland has been among the fiercest critics of Russian policy in Chechnya.
But relations between Warsaw and Moscow improved this year after Russia's sensitive handling of the Polish air disaster on [...]


bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11316485
pawian   
15 Sep 2010
Travel / Unusual architecture - bulidings and structures in Poland [28]

Let`s collect all kinds of unusual buildings and constructions in Poland. I have found a dozen so far, and need more food for thought. Can you help?

Normally, a Catholic church in Poland looks like that:

See a Catholic church in Lublin:
pawian   
13 Sep 2010
Travel / My visit to Poland - Likes & Dislikes. [137]

who you

The same to you.

I never found Warsaw attractive either but I am told,

As a born Krakovian, I find Warsaw extremely attractive.
pawian   
7 Sep 2010
Life / What is Nowy Sacz like? [26]

Full of rundown buildings and beggars but I can't confirm that.

Not exactly.

f

See more: skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=54129645
pawian   
1 Sep 2010
Food / Panga Fish (available in Polish stores); I'll never eat it again. Alternative? [49]

There are 7 points and I believe them all except point 7, coz I dont really care about multinationals....

Before you make such a declaration, why don`t you hear the other side too?

Here is a comment made by some professional fish trader under the article you mentioned:

The SKY IS FALLING. I've been in the seafood industry as a buyer, seller, importer and trader for 15 years in the United States. The EU has the highest standards in the world for illegal chemicals, compounds, and antibiotics. Last I checked, France is in the EU. Every load of seafood must be inspected, and a random sample from EACH lot must be tested in an EU-endorsed laboratory to detect the author's described poisons. If it possesses these poisons/antibiotics/chemicals, the whole load is rejected.

Get a grip on reality. The world's wild Pollock and Cod fishery has been severely over-fished, and its supply is wholly inadequate to meet the world's needs. Aquaculture is the only way to meet the world's needs. Vietnam is at the forefront in the fight to promote safe, eco-friendly farming.

Readers, please do your research to get the facts, rather than taking this one lunatic's propaganda as fact. What he/she presents as fact is far from the truth.

pawian   
23 Aug 2010
Travel / Hard Candy - Krakow, Poland - reviews? [131]

Hyea guys. Just a heads up that I should have said earlier but it must have slipped my mind. In Krk all bars and clubs are obliged to display a "menu" or price list of the drinks they are selling in the bar. So always make sure that you have a look when buying, if cant see one, you can always ask at the bar for it ;)

One poster who com-lained in some forum said they used a trick with double menu cards. The normal one is displayed at the beginning, later replaced by higher prices one. I am not sure if it should be believed. This would be just too much.
pawian   
23 Aug 2010
Travel / Hard Candy - Krakow, Poland - reviews? [131]

Think you are right. But are still thinking criminals have to be bounced out of Poland/Krakow.... An applause for people who know a final solution.

The Krakow police is practically helpless. The Latvian smart guys operate within the law of free trade and business: in a free country, everybody may demand ANY price for the goods or services they sell in the market.

They were kicked out of Riga, Latvia, by certain "undemocratic" moves of local authorities. I mean harrassing the business premises by inspections, raids etc.

If Latvian criminals are involved in the scam activities then I suppose it should be easily to dismantle their scam locations forever and to let them loose their polish passport/stay document? Or are they too dangerous to stop with scamming tourists?

They have found Polish partners who deal with the police etc.
pawian   
22 Aug 2010
Travel / Hard Candy - Krakow, Poland - reviews? [131]

This is so unbelievable. I remember reading about such scams long ago, in communist press, which tried to prove how degenerated the Western capitalism can be.

I did some googling. It seems the problem touches foreign tourists mostly. The forums are full of complaints in English and hardly anything in Polish.

The articles throwing light on the problem started appearing last year. They say the scam is organised by Latvian conmen who moved their business from Riga to Krakow.

Even a half years ago the citizens of Latvia have a place in Krakow . Now the control of at least five . There are also increasing number of customer requests , mostly from abroad, who feel cheated in these clubs. Although badly it affects the image of our city , Krakow authorities can not solve problemu.Na if they intend only to warn tourists in the leaflets that come up at the airport in Balice. Riga City Council , where entrepreneurs from Latvia also engaged in the activities , were more effective. - Police controlled the premises every day , very carefully checked the license to sell alcohol , occupational health books , etc . - Says "Gazeta Krakow " Laila Ivana from the office of the city of Riga.

Let`s make a list of of scam bars:

Hard Candy on Szewska Street near Mc Donald`s
Saxon Club on Św Tomasza Street.
Flames on Florianska Street

PS. The girls who tempt tourists are not Polish or Russian, but Latvian.
pawian   
6 Aug 2010
History / History of Poland in 10 minutes. Really worth seeing! [134]

Genial programmer Tomasz Bagiński made a film for Polish EXPO 2010 in China.

It lasts 8 minutes and is a great hit of the exhibition. Blockbuster which attracts crowds.

youtube.com/watch?v=h_QTKjDYtMI

I like it though certain scenes should have written description of events because they are totally unknown to most foreighners.
Watch and check how much history of Poland can you recognise.
pawian   
5 Aug 2010
History / Destruction of Ukrainian churches in Poland in 1938 [289]

Polish pre-war authorities, believing that it was possible to polonize Ukrainian minority, committed a grave mistake. After various acts hostile to Ukrainians, the Polish-Ukrainian relations became the worst in history and their tragic culmination was the genocide of thousands of Poles in Volhyn region.
pawian   
10 Apr 2010
News / Polish President Lech Kaczynski and gov officials die in a plane crash in Russia [686]

It is like a bad dream. I still think I must wake up to stop this nightmare.

I wasn`t particularly fond of Kaczyński, but I had never wished him death.

In a way, the President, a great patriot of Poland, achieved a success - the whole world learnt about Katyn Massacre.

I heard about the crash in the morning, driving to work. There was the news on one radio station and then they started playing solemn music. I changed stations one after another and they were all playing music. It was a good moment for quite pondering, before all those commentaries flowed.

See the decor of main Polish news sites - everything is black and white.

tvn24.pl
onet.pl

The cause of the accident - thick fog over the underinvested airport in Smolensk, Russia. Because they don`t have special equpment for landing in difficult weather conditions, the Russian air control advised Poles to go to another airport, but to no avail. The Polish pilots tried to land a few times, at least 3, which is an unheard-of situation in aviation because after the very first futile attempt of landing a pilot should give up and look for another airport.

I can imagine the pressure that the pilots of Polish Air Force 1 were under. They were going to take part in the 70th anniversary celebration of Katyn Masacre, and the President just had to be delivered there. What is worse, they had taken off from Warsaw late, so they were in a hurry.

The pilots took a risk but lost.

See the computer simulation of the crash

tvn24.pl/-1,1651578,0,1,tak-mogla-wygladac-katastrofa-podobna-do-wypad ku-casy,wiadomosc.html
pawian   
8 Feb 2010
History / The restoration of Polish cities from WW2 destruction [123]

True and not true.

What can you say about this one?:

prudential

It was built before WW2. Not too beautiful.

Badly damaged,

historiaradia.neostrada.pl/Warszawa%20prudential%201944.jpg

but rebuilt.
Looking at it today, I think it wasn`t worth it. :):):)