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pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

=Des Essientes]Sokrates is right about this you are wrong Pawain

I will be happy to see you prove it. If you do, I will apologise. If not, you will. :):):):)

=Des Essientes]it is you who are being the troll here by starting this ridiculous thread that is only meant to provoke.

It is you who is a troll. Do I make you participate here?

No.

So get out if you can`t discuss things on neutral terms. :):):):)
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

I do and definitely I look more handsome than you. Besides, intelligence beams from my eyes. Yours are void.

At least in this thread. In other threads you are quite all right. :):):):) So, wtf is happening to you?

As for superficial account:

Look, darling, this is not a thick illustrated book about history of Poland, it is a forum. I am not going to go into details because they will be lost on you anyway. If you need to know more, consult fekking archives and special bibliography. Learn to read and understand Polish.
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

=sascha]folks i do hope u all enjoy this thread. for me it looks ridiculous.

Despite my weakness towards Russians, I have to say one thing: you are ridiculous with your envy that a new thread has been started and it is not about Russians. :):):):):)

OK, don`t worry, I will try to develop What do Poles owe to Russians too.

=Sokrates]Magdeburg layout we owe to the Romans.

You historical Ignorant!!! Don`t mix Holy Roman Empire with ancient Romans!!!

Magdeburg Law was developed in Holy Roman Empire:

The Holy Roman Empire (HRE; German: Heiliges Römisches Reich (HRR), Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum (IRS), Italian: Sacro Romano Impero (SRI)) was a realm (Reich) that existed from 962–1806 in Central Europe. It was ruled by the Holy Roman Emperor. Its character changed during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period, when the power of the emperor gradually weakened in favour of the princes. In its last centuries, its character became quite close to a union of territories.

The empire's territory was centered on the Kingdom of Germany, and included neighbouring territories, which at its peak included the Kingdom of Italy and the Kingdom of Burgundy. For much of its history, the Empire consisted of hundreds of smaller sub-units, principalities, duchies, counties, Free Imperial Cities and other domains.


Troll.

:):):):)
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

=RetroDog]pawian:
my mistake about baptism, I forgot about it.

I do appreciate it.

It is noble of you to admit a mistake which wasn`t so big, actually. If it is true, according to one historical presumption, that Mieszko was baptised in Regensburg instead of Polish towns of Poznań, Gniezno or Ostrów Legnicki, then, good Germans helped Poles to get baptised although bad Germans tried to prevent it. It was a fascinating game by Mieszko to play the former against the latter. I don`t have time to develop the topic, it was discussed in the Polish link I gave earlier.

Satisfied with your performance, I will answer the other part of your post (normally I try not to discuss anything with unregistered users because they are insincere tricksters.

=retroDog]and German leader (Otto 3?) coronated first polish official prince, those makeing Poland an official state

Nope. The first Polish king, Bolesław the Brave, was coronated in 1025, taking advantage of the political mess in Germany at the time. It was soon after Polish German war, so the relations were very antagonistic.

After Henry's death in 1024, Bolesław I took advantage of the interregnum in Germany and crowned himself king in 1025, thus raising Poland to the rank of a kingdom before its neighbor Bohemia. He was the first Polish king (rex), his predecessors having been considered dukes (dux) by the Holy Roman Empire and the papacy. Bolesław I died not long after the coronation, due most likely to an illness.

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The German Polish cooperation between Otto I and Bolesław took place earlier, in 1000. I will talk about it.
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Soki, please, relax. I see that the matter of the "Jewish debt" has gotten into your mind and you are blind with obsession of debts. :):):):)

Nobody talks here about being in debt to anyone.

I used the word owe in the meaning: to owe somebody thanks for

So, don`t behave like a stubborn child. Every intelligent person in Krakow knows that we owe thanks to Wit Stwosz, the great German artist, despite all the money that was paid to him.

The very notion of Poles "owing" anything to Germans because a German carved an alterpiece and some Polish cities were organized around a "German" legal model is ridiculous.

Guys, do you really have to behave and reason like simpletons? :)
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Rubbish. Check sources.

In early 966 Mieszko travelled to Czechia to visit his father in law, Czech ruler, prince Bolesław and prolong their alliance against pagan tribes that troubled Mieszko at the time. And that`s a fact.

And some historians believe that from there, they went together to Ratyzbona to have Mieszko baptised by the local bishop.
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Despite popular beliefs, Poland didn`t owe its baptism and christianity to Germans. Quite the opposite, Mieszko I, the first ruler of Poland, adopted the christianity in 966 to protect his land from German expansion which used the pretext of conversion of pagan Slavic tribes.

So, when Germans created the diocese in Magdeburg in 968 with a view to take Slavic lands under its influence, it was too late as Mieszko, with his baptism, established the direct connection with Rome`s pope, not a German bishop.

Mieszko married Czech princess Dobrawa (already baptised) in 965 so we can say that Poles owe christianity to Czechs.

However, it can be true that the ceremony of baptism took place not in Gniezno (Poland) but somewhere in Germany (Ratyzbona) or even Rome.

sciaga.pl/tekst/29421-30-stosunki_polsko_niemieckie_w_okresie_wczesnopiastowskim

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Poland
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

The problem is that Germans did not give Poland anything.

Don`t be silly. And so obsessed with money. If not Vit Stwosz, the German, Poles would never have acquired such an altar, no matter how much they would pay to Czech or Italian sculpters. As simple as that, if not him in Poland, no masterpiece altar for Poles.
pawian   
11 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Oops, guys, all of you who posted here when I was soundly sleeping.

I must say I am NOT impressed with your contribution.

First of all, the thread is kinda historical.

That is why, can you abstain from mentioning such contemporary facts?:

To be fair the Germans do give Poland some EU money.

Secondly, the thread is supposed to present positive things. That is why such true facts as

Murder of 5 milion polish citizens.Murder of the better part of the polish elite.

are politically incorrect here. :):):)

BTW, Sok, since when have you started acknowledging Polish Jews? You stinking hypocrite!

Third, the thread is about Germans and Poland. Can you talk about England and other nations somewhere else? :):):)

But they owe England a lot.

Last, but not least, personal opinions which don`t have much historical value for the thread are also unnecessary. :):):)

i for my part think that this is kinda boring. i like poles. punkt. i liked/like to be there. ende.

I hope it is not too difficult to remember:

So, again:

Germans.

Positive.

History of Poland.

Do you think you are able to bear it in mind? I like working with intelligent people.

If you have nothing valuable to contribute, can you just read and learn from the thread?

Well, I hope you will come back to topic now.

Thanks in advance.

:):):):):):):)

Here is an example.

Coming back to Krakow again.

In one of his posts Palivec mentioned some Polish words which are derived from German: ratusz, burmistrz. etc etc. Town hall, mayor, etc.

Why?

Many Polish medieval towns adopted the so called Magdeburg Law for their settlement, development and ruling.

Magdeburg Rights (German: Magdeburger Recht) or Magdeburg Law were a set of German town laws regulating the degree of internal autonomy within cities and villages granted by a local ruler. Modelled and named after the laws of the German city of Magdeburg and developed during many centuries of the Holy Roman Empire, it was possibly the most important set of Germanic mediæval city laws.

Krakow is a perfect example:

Cities with German city rights often had similar layouts. Somewhat isolated was part of the city containing the residence and castle of the regional ruler, along with a cathedral. The city proper was centered around a market square which featured a church for wealthy merchants and artisans. Streets led out from the market in a planned grid system or concentric circles in which less wealthy citizens lived; riverfront sections of a city were designed with semicircles. The perimeter of the city was guarded by defensive walls, gates, and moats.

worldlibrary.org/articles/german_town_law

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_town_law

Together with German Town Law, German colonists/immigrants came and settled in Poland, welcomed by local rulers. Also, in Krakow.

Concurrent with the change in the structure of the Polish State and sovereignty was an economic and social impoverishment of the country. Harassed by civil strife and foreign invasions, like the Mongol invasion in 1241, the small principalities became enfeebled and depopulated. The incomes of the Princes began to decrease materially. This led them to take steps toward encouraging immigration from foreign countries. A great number of German peasants, who, during the interregnum following the death of Frederick II, suffered great oppression at the hands of their lords, were induced to settle in Poland under very favorable conditions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung#Poland
pawian   
10 Sep 2011
History / What do Poles owe to Germans? [451]

Sheit, I made a thread about Russian contribution and forgot to do the same with German one.

After all, they are our most important neighbours and require even treatment.

The first thing that comes to my mind: last Sunday we went to Krakow`s Old Town for a mass service. We went to St Barbara`s Church, next to St. Mary`s Cathedral which hosts a unique wooden Gothic altar by Vit Stoss, a German artist who worked in Krakow for a dozen or more years in 15 century:

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veit_Stoss

The altar at in Kraków was not completed until 1489, and was the largest triptych of its time and, like his other large works, required a large workshop including specialized painters and gilders.[3] Other important works from his period in Poland were the tomb of Casimir IV in Wawel Cathedral, the marble tomb of Zbigniew Oleśnicki in Gniezno, and the altar of Saint Stanislaus. The Polish court was more aware of Italian styles than Nuremberg patrons of that time, and some of his Polish work uses Renaissance classical ornament.[4]

See the panorama of the altar with minutest details: mariacki.com/foto/galeria-oltarz-panorama/index.html
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

=wredotka]Niewesołą? Lub bardziej dyplomatycznie: mogłoby być lepiej.

Czyli zgodnie z tezą tego wątku. :):):)

=wredotka]Konkretnie to, że rodzina jest na Twoim utrzymaniu. Z góry założyłam, że skoro nie narzekasz, to Twoja lepsza;) połowa też pracuje.

Mowa moja będzie krótka: zapieprzam od ogródka do ogródka. Żona już nie musi. :):):):):):)
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

=wredotka]Po prostu znam paru nauczycieli, i rzeczywistość w jakiej żyją.

Czyli jaka?

=wredotka]Dlatego zdziwiło mnie to co napisałeś.

Czyli co konkretnie?
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Sheet, I didn`t think about it.

Thanks.

Sorry for being harsh on you in my previous post. :):):) I thought you refused to contribute for personal reasons.

However, myths can be harmful too. They can blur the vision and distort the history.

And do you know that historia magistra vitae?

History is the teacher of life!

Do you want history to teach false things according to myths?
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

=wredotka]Uważaj, wchodzisz na kruchy grunt tak zwanego równouprawnienia. Stoje twardo obydwoma kopytami;) na ziemi i nie wyobrażam sobie związku partnerskiego, w którym tylko jedna strona pracuje/ zarabia. Szczerze? Bardzo mnie zdziwiło, to co napisałeś. Trudno mi w to uwierzyć.

Powiem Ci szczerze, także. :):):):) Ożeniłem się w wieku 30 lat. Już nie pamiętam ile było prób i błędów wcześniej. Dużo. Ale ja szukałem prawdziwej kobiety. I znalazłem. Dobrą żonę i matkę dla moich dzieci.

Ona nie musi pracować żeby być szczęśliwą. Nie czuje się poniżona przez to że ona nie pracuje i nie ma swojej kasy. Ja jej nie ograniczam pieniędzy. W kopercie na półce z książkami jest kasa którą przynoszę do domu. Jak żona bierze, to tylko zapisuje na kopercie ile i to wystarczy. Ja się nie czepiam o jej wydatki.

Poza tym, jak widzę i słyszę jak zazdroszczą jej tej domowej "służby" jej koleżanki i kobitki z rodziny które zapieprzają w normalnej pracy a potem w domu przy wygodnickim mężusiu i dzieciach, to się utwierdzam w przekonaniu że my jednak mamy dobry układ.

Według mnie, mąż zarabiający na rodzinę i żona w domu to jest dobry układ.

Wiem że masz inne zdanie, szanuję je, ale ty uszanuj moje. :):):):)
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

What a cheap excuse.

I thought you would be able to contribute sth valuable at last, not your typical trolling.

If not, I am not going to beg you. Get lost, loser. Continue your trolling in other threads.

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

=wredotka]No to współczuje. Nie potrafie sobie wyobrazić takiego życia.

Jeżeli jesteś kobietą jak wskazuje twój nick, to faktycznie taki system nie jest dla Ciebie. :):):):)

=aphrodisiac]no i jeszcze masz czas na PF (pozeracz czasu)- nie jest zle;)

Na razie mam czas bo się jeszcze nie zaczęły prywatne. :):):):)

Ale nawet teraz zasuwam na PF kosztem innych forów. :):):)

Uzależnienie? :):):):)
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

=wredotka]Tylko, ze prawdopodobnie Twoja zona tez pracuje, a jesli dwie osoby zarabiają, wydatki sie inaczej rozkladają.

Nie, nie pracuje. Ja zapieprzam jeszcze na prywatnych i na uczelni mam 1/4 etatu lektoratu. To jest faktycznie cały dzien od 8 rano do 8 wieczorem, poniedziałek - sobota. Taki mam system. Na szczęście, tylko 9 miesięcy w roku, jak słusznie zauważył grubas. Inaczej bym zwariował.

Więc, da się żyć. Ale wszystko ma swoją cenę. Rodzinę widuję tylko w wakacje i święta. Jak wracam po pracy, to chłopaki już śpią.
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
Po polsku / Żebyśta nie myśleli że nauczyciele majom Raj [28]

Hej 5 koła na miesiąc to nie tak źle na tle ogółu,nie uważasz?

Licz to brutto. Czyli jako dyplomowany nauczyciel, za 1.5 etatu mam na rękę 3300 złotych. Czyli jest to - odbytych 26 lekcji (w tym 3 okienka w tygodniu i dolicz czas spędzony w domu na poprawę zadań i przygotowanie lekcji), wychowawstwo klasy maturalnej, przepracowane lata, dodatek za bycie opiekunem stażysty, i 4% dodatku motywacyjnego.

Nie jest źle, więc ja nie narzekam, a jak był strajk jakieś 2, 3 lata temu to nie strajkowałem. Tak, postawiłem się. :):):):):)

Ale nie wszyscy nauczyciele tak mają.

Dzisiaj rozmawiałem z nauczycielem PO i wf. Z pełnego etatu zredukowali go na 6 godzin bo zabrakło 2 klas w tym roku.
pawian   
7 Sep 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Of course, someone not familiar with Polish history might think it is true. :):):):):)

You are ironic. Good, but you should have inserted laughter smileys into it.

No. Quite the opposite. Polish peasants in 1920 defended Poland gallantly.

Each doorstep will be our fortress. See a soldier, worker and peasant fighting the Bolshevik invasion with a female`s help.

It was a result of great work of Polish educators and priests who, from 1863, taught Polish peasants to be patriots of Poland. The education went well and peasants have never betrayed Poland anymore.
pawian   
6 Sep 2011
History / 'Battle of Britain' won thanks to Polish aces !! [158]

no we have won the war with the help of this Czech guy ;) - i can't think what would've happened if not for the Czech guy ;)

Josef Frantiśek was his name and he was a very good looking guy. Pity he was killed.

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Did you know that he took part in 1939 campaign as a pilot of Polish air force and was awarded the Polish Medal of Honour? In France and Britain campaigns, he refused to join the Czech Army in exile, preferred to stay with Poles and claimed he was Polish.

Salute to a great guy.
pawian   
4 Sep 2011
Life / Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish? [370]

Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?

They can be proud of creating their own country in 10 century:

making it a power in Europe, from sea to sea.
then dissipating and losing it completely for 123 years
and recreating again:
and losing again
and recreating again

Isn`t it fekking admirable?
pawian   
4 Sep 2011
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

I hate when bikers don`t have any lights on their bikes at night. It is against the rules.
pawian   
1 Sep 2011
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]

This?

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I have come across a great site:

banknoty.republika.pl/glowna.html

It covers all Polish notes since they were made in late 18 century.

50 zlotys note from 1925:

General description:
banknoty.republika.pl/rzeczpospolita_polska_1919/BP_waluta_zlotowa/50_zlotych_1_wrzesnia_1929.htm

Prices:
banknoty.republika.pl/ceny/ceny_banknotow_rzeczypospolitej_1919.htm

Three kinds of them, depending on the quality of a note: the better, the more expensive:

from 200 to 2 500,-
pawian   
1 Sep 2011
Law / Old Polish money banknotes - what's their value today? [415]

Don`t expect heaps of gold. :):):):) Communist banknotes in 1970s and 1980s were produced by tones every day due to high inflation.

3 years ago someone tried to get 10 euros for one note but only because it had a rare serial number :):):):)

archiwumallegro.pl/banknot_prl_500_zl_1979_r_ser_bs_rzadki-991788487.html