jon357
19 Jan 2013
News / Incredible news from Poland - The president shaved his moustache! [88]
Great news!
New regulations caused it - a formal ban on cheap hoardings and ads. How simple! ????
Great news!
jon357
15 Jan 2013
News / Incredible news from Poland - The president shaved his moustache! [88]
Are you serious?
That one's on a par with your post about "lizard people".
There is no gravity. What you have been raised to believe since infancy doesn't exist. There are magnetic fields and charged attraction and repulsion.
Are you serious?
That one's on a par with your post about "lizard people".
jon357
15 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
That's the whole point. It isn't legal yet, so the LCP is a kind of compromise. Better to legalise it to avoid such grey areas.
That`s sounds like euthanasia, even if not formally legal.
That's the whole point. It isn't legal yet, so the LCP is a kind of compromise. Better to legalise it to avoid such grey areas.
jon357
13 Jan 2013
Travel / Greatest Old Towns in Poland [74]
Isn't there also a bit that is actually called Stare Miasto? A bit north of the Main Town.
Isn't there also a bit that is actually called Stare Miasto? A bit north of the Main Town.
jon357
13 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Crikey! I do see what you mean though, and think this could be a very good thread if it is on topic.
Re. numbers of Poles and economic predictions, I was wondering today whether their employment prospects will be affected much by Romanians and Bulgarians coming. Eric Pickles is refusing to give an official estimate (and the last administration got egg on their faces by saying that only 14000 would come after EU enlargement) but the Daily Telegraph are predicting hordes of them.
Will they drive down prospects (and remittances) for Poles by forcing salaries down? There are a lot of highly skilled people from those countries as well as people desperate enough for work at the bottom end of the market.
Or has the post-EU Polish community begun to stabilise? And do people remit from benefits etc? And will the benefits squeeze affect that?
Also, what will happen to the Zloty? A rise would suit Polish holidaymakers but be otherwise bad for a country that exports so much.
Crikey! I do see what you mean though, and think this could be a very good thread if it is on topic.
Re. numbers of Poles and economic predictions, I was wondering today whether their employment prospects will be affected much by Romanians and Bulgarians coming. Eric Pickles is refusing to give an official estimate (and the last administration got egg on their faces by saying that only 14000 would come after EU enlargement) but the Daily Telegraph are predicting hordes of them.
Will they drive down prospects (and remittances) for Poles by forcing salaries down? There are a lot of highly skilled people from those countries as well as people desperate enough for work at the bottom end of the market.
Or has the post-EU Polish community begun to stabilise? And do people remit from benefits etc? And will the benefits squeeze affect that?
Also, what will happen to the Zloty? A rise would suit Polish holidaymakers but be otherwise bad for a country that exports so much.
jon357
13 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
No brow beating, no awkwardness - at least not from my side. But when you quote statistics, it's good to be precise. 'Recent', means recent.
If you'd clarified what you meant, instead of trying to pick an argument, all would have been avoided.
No brow beating, no awkwardness - at least not from my side. But when you quote statistics, it's good to be precise. 'Recent', means recent.
If you'd clarified what you meant, instead of trying to pick an argument, all would have been avoided.
jon357
13 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Once again, it looks like you've missed the point. I suspect deliberately.
You claimed that 800,000 Poles had recently arrived. Nothing to do with total number of passport holders. In fact 45,000 have arrived over the past year and a half according to the Home Office.
For some reason you don't want to admit your mistake and are now pretending that both you and I had said something entirely different - not a surprise, since lying is something we're unfortunately used to from you here.
Sad, really.
disputing the figure of 800,000+ Polish passport holders residing in the UK as of Wednesday 12 December 2012. He has given the Census 2011 + 40,000 as the current figure of Polish passport holders in the UK
Once again, it looks like you've missed the point. I suspect deliberately.
You claimed that 800,000 Poles had recently arrived. Nothing to do with total number of passport holders. In fact 45,000 have arrived over the past year and a half according to the Home Office.
For some reason you don't want to admit your mistake and are now pretending that both you and I had said something entirely different - not a surprise, since lying is something we're unfortunately used to from you here.
Sad, really.
jon357
13 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
As you well know, we aren't interested in the number of Poles in the UK. Nor are we interested in the number who moved to the UK since EU accession 8 years ago. We are interested in your statement
The Home office says 45,000 came between April 2011 and September 2012. Less than a tenth of the figure you said had recently arrived. The mistake you made is obvious. You included the entire post-EU entry figure.
Rather sad that you can't admit your error.
As you well know, we aren't interested in the number of Poles in the UK. Nor are we interested in the number who moved to the UK since EU accession 8 years ago. We are interested in your statement
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
The Home office says 45,000 came between April 2011 and September 2012. Less than a tenth of the figure you said had recently arrived. The mistake you made is obvious. You included the entire post-EU entry figure.
Rather sad that you can't admit your error.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Warszawski, your original claim, as you well know, was
Do you still stand by that rather wild assertion, or admit it was a mistake?
Re. your question, as I've said twice before and am quite happy to repeat, the official Home Office figure for the number of Polish citizens who arrived between Spring 2011 and Autumn 2012 is already on the previous page.
By the way, re. your "anal" comment, you do realise we're talking about economic statistics? Precision and clarity of thought are paramount. If you think accuracy is "anal", you may as well mix up GDP, QE, BoE, USD etc. After all, they've all got letters in them
Warszawski, your original claim, as you well know, was
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
Do you still stand by that rather wild assertion, or admit it was a mistake?
Re. your question, as I've said twice before and am quite happy to repeat, the official Home Office figure for the number of Polish citizens who arrived between Spring 2011 and Autumn 2012 is already on the previous page.
By the way, re. your "anal" comment, you do realise we're talking about economic statistics? Precision and clarity of thought are paramount. If you think accuracy is "anal", you may as well mix up GDP, QE, BoE, USD etc. After all, they've all got letters in them
jon357
11 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Brow beating? I think there's a bloody big difference between "have been" and "have recently arrived". You don't need to be an English Teacher (by the way, I'm not one) to see the difference.
So, were you wrong when you said
or when you started to backpedal today and pretend you'd said
??
As for winning or losing a debate, I don't see a debate. Just a hugely incorrect statement that you made and were not prepared to retract, even when called out on it
Brow beating? I think there's a bloody big difference between "have been" and "have recently arrived". You don't need to be an English Teacher (by the way, I'm not one) to see the difference.
So, were you wrong when you said
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
or when you started to backpedal today and pretend you'd said
there has not been 800,000+ Polish born workers in the UK recently
??
As for winning or losing a debate, I don't see a debate. Just a hugely incorrect statement that you made and were not prepared to retract, even when called out on it
jon357
11 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
You've forgotten (or deliberately omitted) a couple of small but key words from that sentence. You originally said:
So, do you mean "have recently arrived" or "have been"?
There is a big difference.
what information do you have to prove there has not been 800,000+ Polish born workers in the UK recently
You've forgotten (or deliberately omitted) a couple of small but key words from that sentence. You originally said:
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
So, do you mean "have recently arrived" or "have been"?
There is a big difference.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
That post doesn't really make much sense and certainly doesn't add anything to the discussion about people's right to a dignified death.
That post doesn't really make much sense and certainly doesn't add anything to the discussion about people's right to a dignified death.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
News / Incredible news from Poland - The president shaved his moustache! [88]
That photo makes me feel nauseous.
That photo makes me feel nauseous.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Read the link above. It demolishes that particular, rather silly, myth. People's families do not make the decision.
Read the link above. It demolishes that particular, rather silly, myth. People's families do not make the decision.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
News / Incredible news from Poland - The president shaved his moustache! [88]
He looks better without it.
Didn't Jarosław (or Lech, or both) once have a moustache?
He looks better without it.
Didn't Jarosław (or Lech, or both) once have a moustache?
jon357
11 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Who knows. Probably not much more or less than in the US, Poland or the UK.
Who knows. Probably not much more or less than in the US, Poland or the UK.
jon357
11 Jan 2013
Life / Poland's concord of cultures [86]
Poland always feels far less of a coastal nation and those few canals that exist aren't used nearly as much.
If you're looking for an interesting concord, England as the major part of an island has always been a great seafaring nation but lacks hardwood to build ships. For centuries it was imported from Poland, so much so that the word spruce is derived from z Prus.
Poland always feels far less of a coastal nation and those few canals that exist aren't used nearly as much.
If you're looking for an interesting concord, England as the major part of an island has always been a great seafaring nation but lacks hardwood to build ships. For centuries it was imported from Poland, so much so that the word spruce is derived from z Prus.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
You'll probably have to wait for a while to see figures for 2013. Out of interest, what made you think that:
?
You'll probably have to wait for a while to see figures for 2013. Out of interest, what made you think that:
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
?
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
As I say, check out the previous page. But first, back up your assertion that
As I say, check out the previous page. But first, back up your assertion that
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Are there any published figures for Jan 2013? Jan 2013 isn't even half way through yet! I'm surprised you need to as though, since I gave the latest figures here about an hour ago. Perhaps your short term memory is impaired. Or just selective.
Now how about something other than a journalist's private opinion to back up your assertion that
By the way, what do you regard as 'recently'? We know more or less how many came between census day 2011 and Sept, 2012. I would call that fairly recently.
Are there any published figures for Jan 2013? Jan 2013 isn't even half way through yet! I'm surprised you need to as though, since I gave the latest figures here about an hour ago. Perhaps your short term memory is impaired. Or just selective.
Now how about something other than a journalist's private opinion to back up your assertion that
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
By the way, what do you regard as 'recently'? We know more or less how many came between census day 2011 and Sept, 2012. I would call that fairly recently.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
What 'Polish reality'? There is none, since euthanasia isn't legal here yet. When it eventually becomes legal, I would both expect and hope that the law is strict, as per the Dutch model.
You may find this link sets your mind at rest.
Full article here:
rnw.nl/english/article/nine-myths-about-euthanasia-netherlands
What 'Polish reality'? There is none, since euthanasia isn't legal here yet. When it eventually becomes legal, I would both expect and hope that the law is strict, as per the Dutch model.
You may find this link sets your mind at rest.
The Dutch law allowing euthanasia under certain sharply-defined circumstances often raises eyebrows abroad. And it gives rise to countless unfounded allegations.
The criticism is often made in foreign media that euthanasia is too easy in the Netherlands. The elderly are said to fear for their lives in Dutch hospitals. A Dutch clinic where people tired of living can have their lives terminated is apparently going to open its doors soon. These of course are bogus reports, but what exactly is the real state of play?
Myth 1: Euthanasia is really easy is in the Netherlands (as claimed by Lifenews)
In April it will be a decade since the Dutch law allowing doctors to perform euthanasia was passed. A patient is required to ask for the procedure specifically and be the victim of unbearable suffering - having an incurable disease, for example - or of hopeless psychological problems. All cases of euthanasia have to be registered with special review committees.
Performing euthanasia and assisting suicide are in principle illegal, with a maximum sentence of 12 years in prison. The procedure is only allowed if the doctor has fulfilled the legal requirements.
Myth 2: Elderly Dutch people prefer to go to hospitals abroad for fear of being murdered by doctors in hospitals in the Netherlands
Dutch hospitals are not allowed to end people's lives. Dutch people do sometimes go abroad for treatment but this is to avoid being put on a waiting list and get certain operations or treatments more quickly.
The criticism is often made in foreign media that euthanasia is too easy in the Netherlands. The elderly are said to fear for their lives in Dutch hospitals. A Dutch clinic where people tired of living can have their lives terminated is apparently going to open its doors soon. These of course are bogus reports, but what exactly is the real state of play?
Myth 1: Euthanasia is really easy is in the Netherlands (as claimed by Lifenews)
In April it will be a decade since the Dutch law allowing doctors to perform euthanasia was passed. A patient is required to ask for the procedure specifically and be the victim of unbearable suffering - having an incurable disease, for example - or of hopeless psychological problems. All cases of euthanasia have to be registered with special review committees.
Performing euthanasia and assisting suicide are in principle illegal, with a maximum sentence of 12 years in prison. The procedure is only allowed if the doctor has fulfilled the legal requirements.
Myth 2: Elderly Dutch people prefer to go to hospitals abroad for fear of being murdered by doctors in hospitals in the Netherlands
Dutch hospitals are not allowed to end people's lives. Dutch people do sometimes go abroad for treatment but this is to avoid being put on a waiting list and get certain operations or treatments more quickly.
Full article here:
rnw.nl/english/article/nine-myths-about-euthanasia-netherlands
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Can you cite an example of a nurse being fired for refusing to take part in euthanasia in the Netherlands? No, since only a doctor can perform the procedure. Here are the
in a hospital environment?? what about nurses??? they are told to do various procedures if they don't they can be fired
Can you cite an example of a nurse being fired for refusing to take part in euthanasia in the Netherlands? No, since only a doctor can perform the procedure. Here are the
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
A strange and misleading comment. A doctor who does not wish to carry out a particular procedure doesn't have to. They are free to follow their conscience, just as in the Netherlands and a number of other countries, patients are free to follow theirs.
the thing is you are pushing responsibility for one's death onto doctors and many who are believers wouldn't want to have such a responsibility (cause they see it as a murder
A strange and misleading comment. A doctor who does not wish to carry out a particular procedure doesn't have to. They are free to follow their conscience, just as in the Netherlands and a number of other countries, patients are free to follow theirs.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
As I say, the official figures are given on the previous page.
Interestingly, nowhere in the short YouTube clip you've dug up does he say
Better to stick with hard facts.
As I say, the official figures are given on the previous page.
Interestingly, nowhere in the short YouTube clip you've dug up does he say
800,000 Poles have recently arrived in the UK
Better to stick with hard facts.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
In the absence of this person who you've strangely introduced to the discussion, you'll have to go with the official figures.
In the absence of this person who you've strangely introduced to the discussion, you'll have to go with the official figures.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Not everyone shares your opinion. Would you force people to do things your way?
Generally people do not 'get better' from end-stage cancer. Medicine doesn't advance that fast.
It most certainly does if enough is administered. Would you force someone to prolong their life if they wish to die?
I'd say its very far from easy. Perhaps the hardest decision that a lot of people make.
In that case, I'd like the doctors to keep my body (or the body of someone from my family) alive indefinitely. For decades, if possible.
Not everyone shares your opinion. Would you force people to do things your way?
People get better when odds are greatly against them. Medicine advances.
Generally people do not 'get better' from end-stage cancer. Medicine doesn't advance that fast.
morphine doesn;t in treatment doses
It most certainly does if enough is administered. Would you force someone to prolong their life if they wish to die?
Euthanasia is an easy way out, it is too easy,
I'd say its very far from easy. Perhaps the hardest decision that a lot of people make.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Unfortunately, her figures come from nowhere. I prefer the official figures, which I cited above. Hard facts, not just someone's opinion.
They don't fit your 'argument', however if you have got an issue with the real figures, take it up with the Government. Let us know how you got on.
Unfortunately, her figures come from nowhere. I prefer the official figures, which I cited above. Hard facts, not just someone's opinion.
They don't fit your 'argument', however if you have got an issue with the real figures, take it up with the Government. Let us know how you got on.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
Some choose not to live with such a reduced quality of life. That choice should be respected.
noone even if terminally ill wants to die after their pain is relieved
Some choose not to live with such a reduced quality of life. That choice should be respected.
jon357
10 Jan 2013
News / Predictions about Poland for 2013 [85]
Unfortunately your 'source article' just seems to have pulled that figure from nowhere - it even contradicts itself by the source it links to!
Unfortunately your 'source article' just seems to have pulled that figure from nowhere - it even contradicts itself by the source it links to!
jon357
10 Jan 2013
Life / Advocating euthanasia routinely causes scandals in Poland... [63]
That isn't euthanasia. It is something very different.
Euthanasia most commonly takes the form of providing adequate relief from pain in the knowledge that the person will either remain unconscious until they die, or will not survive the side effects of the pain relief.
euthanasia because someone has become a burden is horrible
That isn't euthanasia. It is something very different.
Euthanasia most commonly takes the form of providing adequate relief from pain in the knowledge that the person will either remain unconscious until they die, or will not survive the side effects of the pain relief.