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some people in the countryside use LPG installations for heating - but LPG is more than 60 per cent expensive than coal heating (although it obviously clean and requires little attention) - LNG (methane) is cheaper than LPG but a bit more expensive than coal - also most cities and towns are connected to LNG grid so you don't need a gas tank

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I appreciate that you care johnny but I sort of have my heating sorted for the time being - so for now thanks, but no

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I don't know, maybe they use some other electric phenomenon that I don't know of because regular electric heater use electric resistence as the source of heat and this just simply costs too much


just looked up Sunheat website - they claim their heaters operate on infrared radiation - maybe it is a cheaper way of heating with electricity

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I don't know what is smarter in the long run - what I know is that with current technology it is pretty expensive and probably not economic to store electric energy so you cannot have just solar panels as your energy source (think night) - although I heard that IBM has recently achieved a breakthrough with battery technology which sounds promising but as far as I know it is not in the commercial phase as yet.


I just don't have the money - you know sometimes even taking a credit for a thing you desire is too expensive

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you have to have this money in the first place - also you have to have a suitable location for the panels

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I don't have respiratory issues :) :P

electric heating is the most expensive (more than twice as expensive) in Poland (unless you inherited a sizeable set of photovoltaics, i mean solar panels)

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Polish language is illogical and obscures the reality

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I want my coal unless you provide me with equally cheap alternative - the simple thing is coal is the cheapest way to heat your home in Poland - even the LNG heating is more expensive not mentioning the prohibitive cost of such installations if you are not in the reach of LNG grid - I have no reason to care for smog because I live in a forest - so while I agree that there are areas where smog is an issue and they surely have to consider ways of dealing with the issue I cannot be even asked to have a 20 000 PLN LNG installation in my home because I simply don't have the 20 000


ok I checked the going prices - and LNG installation costs about 7 000 PLN - which doesn't change the fact that I don't have it - so unless there is an overall ban on coal in this country or there is a program of significant subsidies I won't be having and LNG installation any time soon

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In Polish 'w' is pronounced as English 'v' (in the same manner as 'w' in German)

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here - Germans are opening new coal powered power plant in Ruhr Gebiet : -

reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-germany-coal-uniper/unipers-datteln-4-coal-fired-power-plant-will-be-connected-to-grid-conservative-idUSKBN1ZF0LL

- it transpires that German coal is clean as opposed to Polish coal

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as early as in the 80's I have seen estimates that if all of the ice on Earth melted the sea level would rise by about 75 meters - Ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica are huge

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you are wrong, Miloslaw

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the volume of the oceans on earth is around 1,4 billion cubic kilometers - this is about 4 billion times more than the volume your source states as the data for the melting of Greenland and Antarctica

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you can't read, man - you stated (ok quoted) a simulation revealed that there is a tipping point of CO2 atmosphere content where stratus clouds dissapear - the problem is this level of CO2 is three times bigger than now and that that level with current rise of CO2 in the atmosphere would take hundreds of years - I guess you learn as you go - otherwise you just gobble the nonsense that we are at the brink of a disaster

co za idiota wprowadził ten limit cytowania to nie wiem


on a nasa website Bratwurst linked

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ok so what is the content of CO2 in the atmosphere now? what is the 'tipping point' in the simmulation you mention? - seriously use some of your intuition more

your graph - you probably never paid the attention to what you see just confirms what I said: the sea levels rose less than 10cm in the last 30 year

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to be honest I never heard of this simulation - anyway simulations can often change drammatically with a small change of various factors - also i read (the information was hacked like back in 2007 or 2008) that top climate scientists were manipulating (giving false data actually) data to suit their theories and they cooperated globally for the purpose


you weren't even able to give the data of how much the sea level rose in the last 20 years - my assumption of 15cm is probably nothing more than that - (my guess would be less than 10 cm

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read again -in more than 100 years of constant fossil fuel burning the ocean level rose 30 cm - let's say it changed 15 cm in the last 30 years - there is still so much to go :P

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yeah sure- as Atch stated the sea levels rose 30 cm since 1880 - that really is terryfing - millions of people would die - aaaaaaaaa! - fear mongering


do you understand the word could? do you understand that like 15 years ago we didn't even have real time satelite cloud imagery

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as I said there are no complementary researches so far on global cloud cover - just think of how much different is a cloudy day during the summer compared to a cloudless one

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I am not denying this - the point is maybe we look for the reason where it is not - just look at the year 2010: -20 celsius and 40cm of snow in late November and a pretty long and snowy winter altogther

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you couldn't even say what impact the warming of the climate has so far on the sea levels -

as I said I am not a climate change denier - and I understand that the obvious culprit seems to be humankind's emmission of CO2 - but there are other possible factors at play - there's for example much more water vapour in the air than c02 which is also creating a greenhouse efffect - we don't know the average cloud cover in the past for the most part which highly influences albedo especially during summers

as for the poles - the talk is about melting of ice cover in the arctic during notrh hemisphere summers - the point is that this is not where most of frozen water there is on Earth as exemplified by no obvious marking in the rising of sea levels

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you mention things that are not obviouse direct outcomes of the rising sea levels (more flooding, more extreme weather) - also I asked for recent data say covering the time since year 2000 -

I am not a climate change denier - but we should be precise with data or otherwise it is just fear mongering - maybe there are other factors in play than man-emitted CO2 in the climate change btw - a couple of years ago I quoted in one of debates here a source in NOAA (i guess you know what NOAA is) that stated that we still don't have perfect models for predicting cloud forming - just think for a moment how much difference cloud cover makes on a summer day

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I was a Korwin-Mikke supporter in the past - I just grew past unlimited liberalism -

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you post some basic google search for "rising sea levels" and you expect me to believe it's all over the news - I asked a serious question how much did the sea level rise - about 15 cm? more? and there were voice from other forums users who reported their own findings - but talk to the brainwashed

for all who read this and who are not bothered to look up the diagrams Bratwurst posted - they say nothing about how much sea levels rose - only how much they are predicted to rise based on certain assumptions or in a very long perspective

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man you're beyond pale - you don't even read the diagrams you post - I feel free not to look up your other links because of that

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you must be kidding yourself and everyone else - if there were a flooding because of the rising sea levels it would be in all news all the time - alarmist scientists would be constantly howling and forecasting catastrophic dooms - I happen to read a lot of the internet and nothing like that happened - so yeah kid yourself some more

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so you are populist too - good to know

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first they say 'there's no money for anything' and now Kosiniak-Kamysz promises that if he becomes president he will make retirement money free from taxes - and people call PiS populists

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a guy without political views - maybe you don't like Kukiz's words about PSL ('criminal group')

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so: Adenauer, Schuman or Gaspardi ?

anyway Catholic Church is an abomination and I vote for PiS in spite of their involvement with church not because of it