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As far as I know, Jewish versions are much "closer to the original". Just look at the commandaments - how the heck the Christians made com. 1, 2 and 3 out of only one initially? And two last ones are also one originally. Simple assumption: some have been removed and replaced by making two out of one in order to keep the same number - 10.

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That's true, both tribes were not Israelites. One of them actually fought Israelites...


- Yes, I think it does call Lot a just and righteous man:
2 Peter 2:7-8
7:
" and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men"
and
"But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him."

or
"And [God] delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)"

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Well, put yourself in Lot's shoes and think if you'd do the same nowadays. Is that a universal guideline? Would this help to preserve Lot's bloodline and maintain his family if he gave away his daughters to the vicious crowd? I guess not.

It was a sacred custom to host your guests the best way possible, but isn't this - and some other things and rules described - a bit outdated? Would anyone serious consider doing as Lot did, today? No, I think not. You would rather choose a different option.

Also, I think the mighty angels who had powers to destroy two major cities with rain of fire and sulphur just a few hours later could protect their own arses? They came to do the wet work and were not able to help Lot out in this? Or maybe that was yet another test for Lot? Did he pass it? These kind of tests, like Abraham with his son and Lot with his daughters had, are not made by any merciful god. Kill your son to pay me respects? Let the angry mob rape your only children?

No thanks.

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True. I can agree with what you wrote except this


- the Bible rather treats notion of time as flexible (description of creation of the universe can be treated metaphorically however there are other problems with this interpretation), the timing, age of Earth is completly untrue there, there is nothing true about the creation of man, evolution... Adam and Eve were first and only people on Earth, they had two sons, and Kain killed Abel - so again Kain must've either competed with his father Adam to fornicate with his mother Eve (incest again) or he shagged some monkey and this would explain our evolution theory;) - only this happened in different time span.

Also most of the things described there are borrowed from older religions and cultures. For example Moses put by Jechebed in a wicker basket to river and saved by pharoah's family - this is borrowed from the story of Sargon of Akkad who lived around 23rd century BC.

I would say the Bible has some other qualities than historical, factual. The safest would be treating it as a great cultural source. However, often it is low culture I'd say, as for example you can find this fascination with feaces and defecation:

"that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own **** with you" (II Kings 18:27, Isaiah 36:12)
"Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith" (Ez 4:15).

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces..."(Malachi 2:3).
What is this?!
"And thou shalt eat it [as] barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight" (Ezechiel 4:12).

And this is just a part of it. Very often in the Bible stealing, murder, disrespect for parents goes unpunished. You can try to interpret those situations somehow, but this won't change the fact that there is only little logic and it contradicts itself.


- No. This means the person is totally f@g, and that the Church should maybe recruit it's personnel more carefully. I'd like to see that: a recruitment company working for the Church:D


Not at all! He was still considered a "righteous man" (Gen 19:33) even though before he offered his own daughters to violent sex assaulters and rapists in Sodom.

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It is good you draw conclusions but this one isn't right: It was not about continuity of human race but just Lot's family blodlines, or at least that is what the elder sister thought. And please, even if it was so, would you do it for the mankind with your sister??

Both sisters were young and virgin so there was no point in thinking they would not be married. They were not last people on Earth. It was incest, that's all. You think there is some justificatioon to incest? What if (which was normal and common at that times) the daughters were let's say 10 and 13? Then you have to add pedophilia to incest, child abuse etc. Since the mischief sisters made Lot so drunk he couldn't be aware (but still could perform...) then there must've been sthg wrong with them. But Lot was not without fault too, earlier in Sodom he offered his two daughters to a crowd of men in order to satisfy their needs any way they pleased with his two daughters. This was an offer in exchange of two angels that Lot took home as guests.

Do you still think this is a great universal guideline or a it resembles more of a sick, complicated plot of a pervert novelist? This is just one example, we could analyse all of them but we got off-topic here.

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- But still a case to be heard by the people interested in hearing a priest about that. You yourself wrote before:


- So why you desperately try to preach your shallow slogans to the people that obviously oppose it and are not interested (hence are outside Church) in the mischevious revelations of the RCC? You just contradicted yourself. You are a hypocrite. If Cheehaw cannot say anything about the Church than use your own made-up rule, shut up and stop whining about anything that is not Church. Here's a nice quote for you, consider it a free advice: "Get thee to a nunnery!" (Hamlet)

You should accept the fact that the Church has always had problems with science and logic so why then listen to people that are not experts in any of these fields? The Church is also an institution with absolutely NO morality in the common sense associated with the Church but having nothing to do with it. That is the foundation of this religion. Read the Bible first. Tons of examples of slaughter (e.g. Moses got angry when he got back from the mountain with commandaments and saw the golden god the people made in the meantime - he ordered to kill everyone there - 3000 men, women and children, nice start of keeping to the commandaments, huh?) and other things like having sex w. your own children (two daughters get their father drunk to have sex with him). THAT you call the moral source and guidance for life? Good luck then - but first do read the rest, I won't spoil you the ending.


Yes! I do not visit churches on masses and yet I hear that all the time. How come then?


Anyhow, strangely YOU divide people on that basis. And there are two things wrong about you: First, you divide people. Second, you divide them on the basis of supposedly being Jewish. No use talking to you.


- That is the level of dispute you represent. Good luck with your hatred, narrow-mindnes, xenophoby, anti-semitism and probably something more.

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I think it must've been her conscious decision and actually it is not easy to get out of this club. Apostasia causes to be


. But it doesn't give Cheehaw any more or any less right to say her opinion, Ender. It is everyone's case as long as the Church interferes in matters that are not part of sacred life/religion but politics, business, social affairs and other aspects that religion should avoid to stay truthful to the principles it teaches. Too bad the Catholic CEOs forgot this. It is business like every other, only they don't pay taxes and abuse peoples good hearts giving fake feeling of support and caring in return. But I can only admire their effectiveness in their business sector, they have monopoly in Poland and some other countries.

The negative opinions of this priest are one of the few that start showing up, from inside the organization and that is why they create so big attention.

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- That's a good question. I think it is everyone's personal decision. The trick I meant was the "marketing: approach and what the Church has done with initial sources and the history of this creed.


- I just wrote they don't convert - would you care to provide any source for your judgement? Have you been there?


- That is a relative notion and it seems you are being biased as everything that is not Catholic is wasteland for you... and again:


- Who and what exactly you call that? You seem to be very open minded;))


- Well, they have similar methods of attracting customers!


- And you are judging that on what actually? Because everything not Christian/Catholic is barbaric? Acknowledge the fact that ethics is much older than Christianity and there came nothing new with this religion. Most of the stuff is borrowed anyway. Need sources? I'll give them to you but first just read the Bible or we won't be talking on the same level.


- That's one of the things I mean - marketing investments instead of taking care of the initial principles that are long-forgotten now.


- I read about that, in Krakow there are similar cases together with the oldest football team Cracovia being almost kicked out by greedy sisters who claimed their land back on slightly silly proofs and also wanted sky-high prices.

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Dunno. Apparently Swedes reached the age of reason and don't fall for those tricks so easily.
And if you ask about the spirituality of the Church in Sweden - perhaps they try harder so the "quality of service" is also higher and the priests may be real shepherds too.

Spiritual donuts... hmmmm.

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I haven't seen Swedish people converting to Islam, especially not because the Church there went bankrupt.
Now the Swedish Church is called IKEA. And the real Church often looks like cinema, has caffeteria and lobby - anything to attract the missing followers. I even saw free donuts outside a church in Göteborg. They were giving them after the mass to those who were comming out of the building. Nice marketing.

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and Sweden for example...

Food / Origin of the pierogi [118]

Smurf, there is nothing about this miracle in your link:))
I wasn't dead serious with my theory in case you didn't notice...

Food / Origin of the pierogi [118]


They are all obviously copycats! In almost each of the countries you mentioned the reicepe is a bit different, not to mention Chinese ones are not really pierogi in this sense, they might seem similar though.

The origin of pierogi is simple: God created them on his seventh day of creation. He needed lunch anyway.

Food / Do you call it kiszka or kaszanka? [55]


Not really, no.

Love / Polish women are complicated. Why? [51]

Well, maybe it'll be hard for you with such an attitude, Southern. Stop categorizing. If you do that, it makes you


...

Off-Topic / Simple Things One Guy Wants.. (Parody.) [23]

I want to say it's a nice to-do list, AJ.

Law / Middle name change in Poland. "Van" or "Von"? I got a double passport (Polish/French). [6]

That can heppen only if you have a real basis for doing so. Your wish isn't enough. If one of your parents had such a name you could revert to it but if it's just out of nothing - then no.

History / Poles in the Crusades to the Holy Land [75]

Now Poland takes part in other crusades, in Iraq and Afghanistan, for different reasons.

Life / What is the best city in Poland to live in? Relocating to Poznan? [41]

Really? So I guess you'll show up at the PF meeting in December?

Life / What is the best city in Poland to live in? Relocating to Poznan? [41]


I have a good comparisson of the two, and both are very good. Cracow - retiring? This place has more oportunities for development than Poznań.

Life / What is the best city in Poland to live in? Relocating to Poznan? [41]


Hahaahah, I think have seen this, I know what you mean.

Life / What is the best city in Poland to live in? Relocating to Poznan? [41]

My recommendation is Krakow or Poznan.
]1) nice people - of course! :)
2) low crime level - I guess pretty tollerable
3) not very high apartment prices (I mean rent) Poznan is cheaper than Krakow, both are cheaper than Warsaw.
4) some universities in the city (maybe I will also continue education) Best two universities in Poland...
5) some IT companies in the city (optional) - loads of them in Krakow (to mention just a few big players among many others: IBM, Capgemini, Intelenet, Google)

Life / I saw Polish nationalism today [249]


Exactly. Anyway, maybe it is better that those half-brains have such a herding instinct, as it will be easier to get all of them and put in one closed facility;). That's where they belong.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

Hi,


would not turn into


or you just misspelled?
If you are male, then your name ending doesn't change in nominative, only female would conjugate to Prowacka in nom.

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]


I'm afraid the reality is that the ruling party is not going to risk making an enemy out of the RCC. It's too big a political force, and it'd be bad for elections and publicity...

Life / Cannabis / Weed in Poland... How much does marijuana cost per gram and how easy is to get it? [355]


It costs up to 3 years in suspension:). And you're dumb as a brick.

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]


What terrorism? Are you insane? Have you actually seen any act of terrorism? All that is either in Asia or North Am (USA) and rarely in Europe (wonder why?) and especially doesn't happen in Poland


No. but defending your country is patriotism etc. and has little or nothing to do with religion, so....?

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]


- can I quote you? ;)))
Well said. Exactly - the Church threatens to use their "nukes" - the excomunication. Then if they say it, then they should be ready to be called their bluff! Otherwise that's pathetic and lame.

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- and not to mention harassment of the deputies (I mean threatening with excomunication).

News / Polish in vitro treatment fully refundable - bonkers! [62]

It is a tough nut, but I agree with the OP and many of other posters here: there is so many more urgent things to spend funds on, diseases we don't even hear which treatment costs a lot. In these circumstances having an IVF refunded is a bit of a luxury. It costs about 13.000 PLN as I read. It is not that expensive compared with some incureable diseases that demand constant treatment and expenses.