History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


Quoting from that article:

The last great source of Polish independence, the Catholic Church was finally taken over: its lands were nationalized, religious teaching in the schools was forbidden, and priests were imprisoned and executed.

Funny that religious teaching in schools is forbidden in "America", too. Bad Soviets turning the US into a godless hellhole.

Seriously, I got my first communion in 1950. It was organized by the school and delivered in the church in Radom. Nobody was shot because nobody was shooting.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]

If your posts were in response to mine, you just wasted your time.

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They will claim they did it to save the earth and slow down global warming.

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How much do they pay to watch the Olympics?

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


You like keeping score? Fine. Score this:

How many Poles were executed by the Soviets or on Soviet orders after January 1946? This is the only number that matters as it tells the real story about the Soviet "occupation" of Poland.

No stories, no essays, no evasive crap. Just a number.

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]


It takes a nation of total morons to need "r" to eliminate any doubt about what a four-digit number on a gravestone means. It's just the beginning of the list. Next: Ty with capital T. And: Ci with capital C. And, of course, Pan... with capital P.

WTF is wrong with you, people?

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


This moronic statement ends this conversation.

Life / The Pole, as an example of a perfect Russophobe, in a spherical vacuum [42]


OK, I need to clarify my "It will take many generations to get Katyn out of Polish DNA." Here is a more complete version:

It will take many generations to get Katyn out of Polish DNA to the point where the relationship between Poland and Russia would be no worse than between Poland and Germany.

You are correct in objecting to the original. BTW, the criminality of NKVD, UB, and SB was never in dispute. What is puzzling to me is that Poland didn't execute its own criminals after 1990. It seems that no country ever does, with Romania being a noble exception.

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]

Do you need those UR and UM because you are too stupid to figure out what 19xx - 20xx mean on a gravestone?

A clue...No, it's not a subtraction. Those are dates.

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]

OK. Now that you said it, I love everybody and everything so I am done posting since there is absolutely nothing to add. See you on the other side.

Happy now?

Back to the moronic UR and UM. Do you personally know what two dates with a dash in between mean or do you need those UR and UM?

That was an honest question, not hate.

Travel / Visiting Poland - A bit worried about social attitudes and racist inclinations.. [80]


What's that?

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]

Not everything. Just UR and UM.

A person who needs those should not be allowed to use sharp utensils.

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]


All propaganda is bad but it's easier to deal with the domestic kind when the good guys take control than with the foreign subversives you can't control. The fact that the Americans are on average the good guys does not change the fact that today Democrats and their propaganda outlet, CNN, are worse than Pravda ever was. RT is an oasis of freedom, by comparison, but you still wouldn't want their TV station in Warsaw.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


You get up. Eat breakfast. Take a shower. Go to work. Come back. Eat dinner. Annoy kids. Read. Listen. Go to bed. Notice the absence of any anti-government activities or associations. So secret meetings, no memos or manifestos, no spying for the Americans, either.


How could a man from Mars know that Poland was "occupied" by the Soviets? He couldn't because we couldn't, either. But he would know instantly that Poland was occupied by the Germans.

I don't deny that Poland was under Soviet control. With the Americans close by, they would be stupid not to stay in Poland. I object to using the terms that are forever connected with the Germans. Like occupation. Just as I object to the term Nazis as an attempt to whitewash the criminality of the entire nation that cheerfully supported the war - until Stalingrad.

Again, nobody in Poland ever used the term 'Soviet occupation" or even German occupation. It was okupacja. There was no need to add "German" as it was self-evident and the only one known to the Poles. If you said "during occupation", nobody sane would ask which one did you mean - German or the Soviet.

Yes, there are different shades of occupations. Soviet "occupation" of Poland was such that the use of the word diminishes and insults the victims of the real occupation by the barbarians.

News / The ruling party in Poland tries to take American owned TV news station off the air [528]


Exactly. Especially if those are in the news and commentary business.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


So this. To normal people going about their daily lives, life was normal under Soviet control. No lapanki, No mass executions. No fear. No starvation. No tanks in the streets.

To everybody with a brain, that was an improvement. Throwing labels and adjectives around today does not change that reality.
But it is obvious that the hate of Russia is a mental disorder here. To the afflicted Katyn = Auschwitz. Numbers mean nothing to them.
To the sane, numbers are everything. Like the number of Poles executed by (1) the Soviets or (2) their Polish collaborators from 1946 till 1990.
And spare me the crap about the war. In wars, people die. I already know that.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


It means that it was not "occupation" as this word is reserved for the occupying army to be everywhere and control everything. The problem here is that you and others are intellectually dishonest because of your Russia hate. It's just a game of words in an attempt to equate the Soviet presence with the German-style occupation with all of its horrors. Those two weren't even close.

Definition of military occupation
: control and possession of hostile territory that enables an invading nation to establish military government against an enemy or martial law against rebels or insurrectionists in its own territory

If the Soviets were "occupying" Poland then the US was and still is occupying Germany. Except that the Soviets are gone, but the Americans are still in Germany, Korea, and Japan. If you want a real occupation, go to Guantanamo and ask if and when the US is planning to get the fu*ck out.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]

As much as I heard about Korea and Vietnam. Just don't tell me that these were just examples of friendly help to make them into "democracies".

Where would you rather be?

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]

My take is based on the fact that I lived in Poland till 1966. I listened to Radio Free Europe and Voice of America. I talked to other students at WUT. My father and I talked about politics daily. He lived through the German real occupation and was well informed about Poland after the war.

Now, pay attention. At no time, did anyone I just mentioned use the word "occupation" when referring to the Soviet army being stationed in Poland. Not a single person. Ever. For whatever reason, they stayed away and we never saw any of them.

We did talk a lot about the Jewish and Polish collaborators, the UB, and how to get out. But not about the Soviet "occupation". That term is used only here by the Russia haters.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


What are you? A virgin teenager? Of course, they did rape. And stole. And did many other awful things.
About the numbers...Everybody lies and it's always in one direction. Polish data is as trustworthy as that 600,000 US dead with covid. Then, in a moment of candor, CDC admits only 6% died from covid.

The fact remains that 30,000,000 Soviets died and that it was the Soviets that ended the damn war.
If rapes shock you so much, ask any woman if she would rather be fried like her sisters in Hiroshima. Or Dresden.

BTW, if AK, instead of being an enemy, coordinated the liberation of Poland and, specifically, Warsaw with the Soviets, could their behavior be different?

News / Poland to get the newest version of M1A2 Abrams tank [90]


Don't worry. I do get it. My rule one in life is not to trust anyone - especially the Bolsheviks. Biden said it because his handlers told him that if he will not, they are going to lose Congress in 2022.

I am not naive, but it was still good to hear a US president sounding like one.

News / Poland to get the newest version of M1A2 Abrams tank [90]

Then you are worse than I thought with that Obama crap. Biden is actually better the way Krushchef was better than Stalin. It was Biden who said the other day to the Cubans and Haitians: Don't come! You will not be allowed to stay here.

And no US troops there, either. Good Biden. I was pleasantly surprised.

News / Poland to get the newest version of M1A2 Abrams tank [90]


His greatness was proportional to the disdain, contempt, and outright hate coming from Europe. Now, the a-hole in the White House is adored by the Euro weasels, and we are fu*cked - starting with some global bush*it. I forget if it's global warming, cooling, or wetness.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]

The good citizens of Paris saw them, too. Today, the French regret that they left.
Can you try something scarier than your grandma saying hi to a Russian soldier?

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


Of course they did. They would be stupid not to.
My comments are about "occupation". Normal "occupiers" do not hide. Just the opposite. So let's call it "supervision" - as the US did in Germany. Just in case...

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]

A. Have you seen any Soviet soldiers in Poland? Where and when?
B. Nobody under 25 had dementia.
C. I was all over Poland before I left.

History / Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939? [71]


That was the weirdest occupation ever. Haven't seen one Soviet soldier in my entire life there. I heard that they stayed in Legnica - all 300,000 of them - and that's about it.

And, then, poof they were gone without one shot fired. Those terrible occupiers...In the meantime, like cancer, NATO is expanding and expanding...

News / Poland to get the newest version of M1A2 Abrams tank [90]


For this, you will need guns and ammo. I have three. Where can I send them?

Seriously, if partisan warfare is on the table, the Polish government - as a minimum - should make it mandatory for every sane person over 18 to have a couple of AKs and 1000 rounds under the bed, not a hunting rifle at some stupid gun club. With that kind of EU mentality, forget your partisan warfare.

Also, a country without the death penalty is a joke. Before you jump, think WW2 and Nuremberg.


...and get dragged by you, stupid Euros, into another bloody mess. Please, die before you call the NATO US desk.

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]

True, but leaving Poland, getting here, and starting from nothing is Darwin at his best. All that having come from a place where they need UR, UM, and "r" on gravestones.

Luckily, the Americans who hired me didn't know it. It would be embarrassing...

Genealogy / Abbreviations used in Polish gravestone inscriptions [66]

Stupid is stupid everywhere. Cemeteries included. People who need "r" after 1935 have a huge problem.

I went back to the beginning of the thread and found this brilliant idea:

How about the American way: January 1, 1945 - December 31, 2018