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Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Do you really think they will leave you alone?

Think about it...

If we had 200 nuclear warheads (10-20 megaton each), deployed, modern, top-notch technology. And if only 50 out of these 200 nukes reached 50 most populous Russian cities (out of each 4 fired only 1 reached its target) - ask ChatGPT what would happen; it can list all the cities together with numbers of predicted casualties etc. Horrible, terrifying and unacceptable.

Of course, Poland would be totally annihilated in such case as well, but the point is Russia would never risk such destruction of their own core lands for the "rich grounds of western Europe" (they have enough riches of their own, they only have to use them).

Nukes in Poland = Peace with Russia

a russian-friendly gov in Warsaw

We would probably be Russian friendly, because why not? Why not be friendly towards a country that cannot threaten you in any way? We would be Russian-friendly, German-friendly, Brazilian-friendly, Canadian-friendly. On a good day we might even be French-friendly (but maybe here I go too far).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

negotiate a way through for the Red Army

Military access would violate the country's neutrality. Even the Swiss, egoistical as they are, wouldn't do such thing, not to mention Poland.

Neutrality won't save us from RuSSia.

No, but nukes and strong army will. And then, being neutral will decrease the probability of war. Poland as the strongest NATO easternmost member is perceived by Russia as a threat, a neutral Poland wouldn't be such threat.

I don't think it's in Polish nature to be neutral lol ;)

Haha, tell me about it - I was a skinhead after all (a long time ago)! It's not in Polish bachelor/maiden nature to be neutral. When one has children the belligerence level tends to shift to 'neutral' rather quickly. You will see it yourself one day. ;)
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

we have to look out at least to some extent for the well being and interests of other EU countries, because we're all in it together

Hmm... that's true.

Trump has managed to dismantle the 80-year-old American world domination, as well as any credibility of the USA as a NATO ally. So, in such case another scenario can be contemplated: European military alliance, without Americans, possibly even outside NATO structures. There are, however, so many possible problems with such an alliance that neutrality seems a better idea.

with such neighbour like RuSSia - I'm afraid that's impossible/dangerous.

Switzerland went neutral precisely because throughout history it had aggressive neighbours (Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany among others). Being neutral, and of course being militarily very strong ("les peuples libres ont besoin des canons" and all that), actually decreases the potential risk of an armed conflict.

Ireland and Austria are both the EU members and neutral. Poland should follow in their footsteps.

ignorant and egoistical second Swiss nobody needs or wants!

But Switzerland is a military hedgehog! Imagine if Poland were such a hedgehog, near impossible to go through and with nukes - that would mean that Germany are protected with an iron shield from the East (and from the West France isn't such a huge threat these days, are they?).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Just don't let anybody talk you out of them...

We won't.

...always remember what happened to Ukraine!

Yip. It's good to learn from one's own mistakes, but even better to learn from the mistakes of others.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

So sophisticated weapons

If they had such weapons, they would make sure the world knew about them.

Before all those conditions are fulfilled - it is a question of the next generation.

We have to plan long-term. We are not some scumbag politicians thinking only in terms of getting elected for the next four years - we are a Patriotic Think Tank, we must plan deeper.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
Off-Topic / Random Sports News [855]

He looks like a fish that jumped out of its tank😂

Ridiculous. It doesn't happen in handball or ice hockey because there are rules penalizing such behaviour. Similar rules should be introduced in football.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland will do, too?

Poland will get the nukes and go neutral. This way we will not be dragged into other people's wars. We will be Slavic Switzerland, only bigger, stronger and eventually richer. That's the plan anyway. :)

They even don`t need nukes. Especially Russia.

If Russia didn't have nukes, there wouldn't be any Russia at the moment.
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

`Giver of the Stone age`.

But you said that Germans are practically Slavic anyway, so why bomb them?

Racowie have different plans.

*afraid to ask*
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

`special military operation`

Don't even tell me about this 'operation' of our not-so-dobri brat Putin. Before it reaches Eastern Germany it would have to go through Poland. Surely that's not what you want, brate?
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1090]

POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL

Actually, Poland is Western, Central, Eastern and Southern. Here's the map of early Poland...

Poland 600-900

... with various Polish tribes (Western, Southern and Eastern marked).
Torq   
22 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland needs the EU to eat and the US to stay alive

Poland had eaten since 966 to 2004, for over 1000 years without the EU, and has been alive for even longer without the US so you are wrong on both points.

What Poland doesn't need, though, are arrogant pricks telling us what we can or cannot do. If the USA continues in this vein, they will be kindly asked to f*ck off back where they came from.

what would Poland with nukes?

Exactly the same thing that Russia, China, France, Britain or Pakistan do with their nukes. Nothing.
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

Poland will never get consent

Poland is an independent country. We need nobody's consent.

Besides, it would be in Russia's best interest for Poland to be neutral, instead of the strongest eastern NATO outpost, so I don't think they would oppose. Of course, initially they might feel their typical Polonophobic paranoia, but then logic and common sense would outweigh the paranoia.
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
News / Nukes and Poland's Neutrality [105]

In recent news we have all heard the will to possess nuclear weapons expressed emphatically by Polish politicians, and when both the politicians and the people want the same thing, then it is probably going to happen eventually.

So my question is: should Poland declare neutrality after acquiring nukes, building a strong professional army, supplemented by conscription-based units and a Swiss-model territorial defense? My answer to this question is 'yes'. Being a part of a larger defensive alliance is, at the moment, necessary. Without nukes and with an average army we might easily fall prey to foreign invasion. Hence the necessity of being a part of a larger alliance.

However, with 200 nuclear warheads (10-20 megaton each) and a Swiss-level conventional impermeability we could and should go neutral. We wouldn't need any foreign support in case of war, and there would be no risk of us being drawn into a conflict by our potential belligerent and expansive allies. It would also open us to cooperation with countries who were traditionally considered our rivals, because they would be free of the temptation of conquering us and we could finally build healthy mutual relations.

Your thoughts?
Torq   
21 Mar 2025
Off-Topic / Random Sports News [855]

Poland - Samogitia 0:0 HT

Ridiculous.

They need to step it up in the second half. Probierz should be sacked ASAP, he's clueless.
Torq   
20 Mar 2025
Polonia / Polish bus crash in Croatia. Is there a fate? [229]

Known by sane people as.... Macedonia.

Exactly. Maybe Crow is now a Greek patriot and his motto is "Una faccia una razza /μια φάτσα μια ράτσα"? I never thought I would see this. Whatever next? Crow converting to Catholicism and going on a pilgrimage to Rome?
Torq   
17 Mar 2025
History / Why Poland is not Russia [260]

Always a pleasure to observe two Polish patriots recognize each other's moral superiority.

Heart-warming, isn't it? A man less decent than you would in such situation feel aversion to Poles caused by his own wickedness. A truth-loving Russian, however, can always appreciate the sight of two Poles basking in each other's thorough decency and righteousness. And some silly men here think that there are no common values on which Polish-Russian friendship could be built.

when I mentioned your grandpa! Do you remember?? That was very funny.

You can really be such an arsehole, Pawian, it's unbelievable (even for PF standards).
Torq   
17 Mar 2025
News / Building regional alliance to stabilize Eastern Europe. [236]

....aaaaand, more importantly, you can't just leave us alone!

... we're not leaving you alone! Everybody is still in the EU, but to alleviate the problems of unavoidable decision inertia of such a huge alliance, regional blocks wil facilitate quick and decisive actions when they are necessary. The Weimar Triangle is obviously the leader - and each of the WT countries get their own sphere of influence: France - the Mediterranean, Germany - central Europe with Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Luxembourg (the core lands) and Poland the Intermarium (or modifications of it).

It's a win-win-win situation for all three: France, Germany and Poland.

The only chance for Poland to be in a good alliance is the EU.

And nobody is even contemplating leaving the EU. I'm sure that's not what Iron meant. Poland must remain a part of united Europe - this is where we belong.
Torq   
17 Mar 2025
News / Building regional alliance to stabilize Eastern Europe. [236]

^^

:)

Hmm... very good, Iron. You make a surprisingly lot of sense. Have you considered joining PSL? Poland needs intelligent patriots, immune to outside influence and capable of independent thinking.

Even in this thread we encounter a wonder, a German worshiper.

Maybe "keen admirer" would be a better term than "worshiper". No man is without his flaws and Pawian, of course, has his own. However, pay attention to his love of Poland, honest patriotism and high potential of monkey viciousness which can be very useful in certain situations. It is my sincere hope that you and Pawian reconcile one day and join your strenghts in fight for the common good of our fatherland.
Torq   
17 Mar 2025
History / Why Poland is not Russia [260]

moral superiority

Of course, you are quite right - all the values stem from moral superiority, just like all the virtues stem from humility and faith in God, and all vices from pride and unbelief. In this sense you are right and I have to praise you for your insight and depth of thinking.

However, when we are talking about the umbrella of PNWD, we cannot base the extending of it over the Baltics and Romania on their moral superiority because - frankly - they don't have it (Latvian, Estonian and Lithuanian SS units, Romanian alliance with nazis in WW2 etc.). No. We have to base our extension of nuclear umbrella on those countries on their love of freedom because, being flawed as they are, this is the value that they share with us.

Don't make the mistake, which so many liberal-minded people these days make, that there are nations equal to Poles in moral terms. There aren't.
Torq   
17 Mar 2025
History / Why Poland is not Russia [260]

values

freedom

Coming back to the vital question of values. Polish Nuclear Weapons Doctrine (PNWD) would, as the first nuclear doctrine in the world, be based entirely on values - especially freedom. That's why the very thought of Polish nuclear weapons gives Russians such a fright - they know we would base the use of them on values.

We would rather die than be enslaved, we are free people, and there is a very high possibility that we would extent PNWD on the Baltics and Romania. For example, if our Baltic or Romanian allies came to us and said: "Dear Poles, we are like you - we too prefer death to enslavement, take us under your nuclear umbrella and unleash all hell upon the invaders if they ever manage to enslave us". We would say "Of course, dear brothers and allies, consider it done".

That would stop any possibility of Russian westward expansion. Check-mate, not-so-dobri brate Putin.
Torq   
16 Mar 2025
History / The Battle of Kolberg 1945 [9]

I meant the initial stage of forming the army in the USSR.

In such case you're right, but it's only natural because early on, when the army was formed, it was created and directed by the Soviet command, and our units had to be prepared to cooperate smoothly with Red Army units. Later, as the army grew and developed, more Polish officers were promoted into positions of leadership, and the Soviet influence gradually diminished. A very similar process took place in case of Czechoslovak Army in the Soviet Union.
Torq   
16 Mar 2025
News / Building regional alliance to stabilize Eastern Europe. [236]

regional alliance

Basically Intermarium minus smaller countries, plus Germany, two Scandinavian countries and Turkey.

Germany is too big (as usual, too big for Europe too small for the world) and would eventually tend towards dominating the alliance economically and politically, the way they dominate the EU. Not a good idea.

Turkey would introduce instability to the alliance, with their military coups, constant tension between lay and religious parties and eternal conflict with Greece, another NATO member. Not a good idea.

Sweden and Finland, OK - they might prove useful.

If we really want to have a strong block within the EU, then smaller countries like Czechia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Slovenia have to be included too, but then we are back at Intermarium, so what's the difference?