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The streets are pretty clean in poland at least in wroclaw krakow etc far cleaner than in paris and most italian cities. Graffiti though yes theres tons of it and it makes nice buildings look hideous and trashy. Fortunately atleast the kids have enough respect not to tag up churches although ive seen a few cultural sites not spared

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@Crnogorac3

Note the israeli flag rofl

Please back on topic of this thread

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If you write certain things about migrants or upload videos about migrants murdering someone like the dude who uploaded the video of the migrant as he beheaded his own baby then you can expect a knock from the german security services...

inc.com/joseph-steinberg/germanys-tough-new-social-media-law-punishes-offensive-posts-with-fines-of-up-to-60-million.html

economist.com/europe/2018/01/13/germany-is-silencing-hate-speech-but-cannot-define-it

"WHAT the hell is wrong with this country?" fumed Beatrix von Storch to her 30,000 Twitter followers on December 31st: "Why is the official police page in NRW [North Rhine-Westphalia] tweeting in Arabic?" The MP for the hard-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party detected in the force's multilingual new-year greeting a bid "to appease the barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men". The next day her tweet-and, for 12 hours, her entire account-vanished from Twitter. In the subsequent political storm Alice Weidel, co-leader of the AfD, came to Ms von Storch's defence: "Our authorities are subordinating themselves to imported, rampaging, groping, punching, stabbing migrant mobs," she tweeted. That, too, was promptly deleted.

Pretty sad that a post that criticizes migrants, even if its non violent, can get your house raided....

Even mentioning the ethnicity or national origin is frowned up:
dw.com/en/german-media-respond-to-new-rules-on-reporting-ethnicity-of-criminals/a-38251869

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That is true they never had much freedom of speech. I've been to Germany numerous times as I have family in Dortmund and Berlin. THe country was far far different 10 years ago than it is today. There were always a lot of Turks and Kurds, which were generally well assimilated and many spoke perfect German, but compare 2008 to 2018 it's like night and day. Germany didn't have a fraction of the problems it does today back then - almost all of which can be attributed to merkels decision to allow over a million unvetted third world migrants in.


I guess you're lucky as thousands of Germans have been either raped, killed, mugged, stabbed, etc or the term I prefer 'culturally enriched' - all thanks to Merkel's decision to allow in over a million migrants and telling the populace 'we can do this.' If she didn't bring in all those turd worlders then those thousands of germans who have been stabbed, raped, mugged, killed, etc. wouldn't of been. I'm sure life isn't that bad for most Germans - but the point is it could be a whole lot better without the migrants, as it was a whole lot better before merkle's decision back in 2015 to let in all these people. Her decision has caused nothing but problems. NOTHING good came out of it... NOTHING...

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Not that bad huh? Well it sure is a hell of a lot worse than before Merkel invited in a bunch of turd worlders. Before 2015 there were no thousands of sexual assaults let alone in 1 night, there were no regular terrorist attacks, there weren't tons of no go zones, there was no 25 billion going to migrants - more than on education for the country, police were not telling women not to jog alone, Christmas markets were not attacked, babies weren't beheaded on subways, germans weren't getting regularly stabbed and killed by third worlders, etc. All that started AFTER merkel brought in a ton of third worlders.

Merkel caused a hell of a lot of destruction by letting all these people, and I use the term people very loosely here, in. Thanks to her decision there's been thousands of women rapes, hundreds of germans killed, billions unnecessarily spent, violent crime has gone up with migrants representing 92% of the increase and Europe is more divided than ever.

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"If it was indeed the authorities' plan to censor the news and keep the information of the beheading under wraps, then it backfired. Due to the reports about the raid, thousands of people have seen the video, and hundreds of thousands have heard about the botched censorship attempt. Even worse for the would-be censors, they unwittingly revealed the very detail that they wanted to keep from the public," writes Stefan Frank.

Attempts by the anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany (AfD) to confirm whether or not the child was beheaded were rebuffed when Hamburg's government, in breach of its constitutional duty, refused to answer, while also blacking out large sections of a report about the murders that related to the beheading.

Sad... Merkel's government even clamps down on media so as not to put migrants in a bad light...

Hamburg's ministry of justice concluded its investigation by declaring, "the double murder is a crime of passion that must not be of any interest to the public."

Video on Orwellian Germany:
youtube.com/watch?v=kYmTFL9nbRQ
The Mass Brainwashing of Germany - I'm afraid a few of our PF colleagues have already been brainwashed....

Oh and FYI - it appears this video is banned in Germany.... man I can't believe what Germanty has become

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to rape and pillage....


Oh she absolutely did - she said that the people coming over were doctors and engineers, she said that islam and migrants will 'culturally enrich' Germany and she said that the german population is aging and needs workers - all of which were lies

Merkel even tried to stop German media from reporting on a migrant beheading his 1 year old daughter for fear that it would incite native Germans even more against migrants.

Germany's largest newspaper, Bild, report on the death of the mother of four, without mentioning the details regarding the barbaric murder of her child.

German authorities have also been ordered to clamp down on independent bloggers caught sharing the damning footage....

Except here it is - eat it Merkel - jihadwatch.org/2018/07/video-from-germany-muslim-migrant-beheads-1-year-old-girl-merkel-bans-media-reporting

She has singlehandledy destroyed not only Germany's culture and identity but caused tons of division as well thanks to allowing in a bunch of third worlders into the country and saying 'we can do this.' Only to admit later she ****** up and would do things differently. Well thanks, an apology and regret isn't going to get rid of the millions of third worlders leeching tens of billions in benefits, it won't unrape thousands of women, it won't bring back all the Europeans they've killed and as long as they're still here you can bet that the right wing will only gain more seats and more power.

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No differently than uk. Difference is the UK actually had a mutual defense treaty which they didn't honor. Us and poland didnt have a treaty

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ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f

Aydan Özoğuz, commissioner for immigration, refugees and integration, told the Financial Times that only a quarter to a third of the newcomers would enter the labour market over the next five years, and "for many others we will need up to 10.

So much for the myth that migrants/refugees are taking jobs the germans don't want and contributing to rhe economy lololol. No wonder merkel and the eu want to spread the 'burden' around... merkels words - saying other countries must share the burden.... but wait i thought she said these were doctors and engineers? She said theyll enrich thr country. She said that they'll fill a labor shortage. What a liar....

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Statistics from the Federal Labour Agency show the employment rate among refugees stands at just 17 per cent. It said 484,000 of the refugees are looking for work, up from 322,000 last July - an increase of 50 per cent.

Of those, 178,500 are officially unemployed, meaning they not only have no work but are not enrolled in any training programmes or language courses - up 27 per cent on last July.

Bunch of lazy non working welfare leeching third world bums. They need to be sent back immediately.

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Thanks but most poles would rather rely on the US and nato. Weve already been burned before numerous times by our so called european allies.


Thats the kicker - 'when' refugees want to work.... which is almost never... its a shame german media is still calling the million people that came in refugees when the vast majority are clearly economic migrants all to deceive the public that theyre refugees in need fleeing war when in fact the vast majority are not and are simply lazy bums looking for free sh1t. That's why 75% to 99% are unemployed. If someone wants to find a job they can. Its that simple. Theres plenty of Mexicans that cant speak english and many aremt even legal yet they manage to work everyday and not leech off citizens welfare

Once the person has been in Germany for 15 months, they don't have to be submitted to this test

So why are 75% to 99% of migrants/refugees unemplpyed for 5 years plus?

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No, it's because they're lazy, uneducated, have very few skills that are valuable in a modern society, many are simply illiterate and but what is common amongst tons of them is that they prefer to live off benefits since it's several times more than whatever they'd make in their sandboxes pretending to be countries. It's the same story in UK, Germany, Sweden - any country that accepts tons of third worlders and coddles them by giving them food, apartments, money, etc. Italy doesn't do this - and hence the Africans have to work in fields for a pittance. If Germany and the other cucked countries stopped coddling the migrants and let them go hungry for a few days their unemployment rates would dwindle in a matter of weeks if not days.

The migrants interviewed don't reveal any desires to get a job, in fact they do the opposite - they make demands of free stuff aka gibs and then complain that they were given an apartment with a communal bathroom or that they aren't given enough free money and hence can't send extra cash back home. But regardless of the reason, they don't work - so don't say things like 'we import them for slave wages' when they're clearly unemployed for a variety of reasons.

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If only that were true then it'd be fine because then at least like the Hispanics in the US, they'd actually be contributing to the country... the fact is though 75% to as high as 99% of migrants arriving from ME and Africa are unemployed and remain unemployed for 5 or more years, at least in Germany. Source: DW, BBC, German government minister, German labor bureau, etc


Can't have closer political integration while you still have eurocrats punishing countries because of how they voted based on campaign promises and because they're asserting their right to determine who to let in and not let into their own lands. Once that changes, I'm all for it. Till then, you can forget about closer integration. Besides, we have NATO - we don't need a EU army. Or Poland could just develop its own nuclear weapons which I'd favor above all else.

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Actually thanks to Trump they now finally can and are. And atleast unlike germany and the eu countries the US isnt coddling migrants giving them free apartments, allowances while telling women not to jog alone because a guy named jose might rape them. And americans arent 'rescuing' migrants like the eu. No as soon as a migrant is caught theyrr arrested amd processed for deportation. Unlime the eu who instead gives them homes food money etc

And us is the only country that can match russia militarily. Eu doesnt come close. And if it wasnt for us propping up nato, thered be Russian troops pwning all of the eu.

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Oh please.... even with a larger unified eu army its the eu whos scared of Russia, not russia scared of eu...

the eu cant even stopped unarmed migrants from landing on its shores how do you think theyll fare against slavic warriors armed with modern weapons?

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Oh and the irony of being told that Poland and Hungary have problems with 'democracy' by a person who was not democratically elected is just too much...

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Are you kidding me? Most of the large companies came in the 90's and early 2000's. Germans were the first to rush in. Even US companies like KFC for example came in 93.

EU funds are but a fraction of the overall GDP something like 2%. Poland put them to good use - they were an investment. Unlike the Greeks we didn't waste them on building stadiums that got used once and have been rotting ever since. Even German investors admit that the EU got waaaay more out of Poland thanks to cheap labor and a big fairly wealthy market of 40 million people to sell sh1t too than Poland got out of EU.

And article 7 against Poland and Hungary is doomed - for one they'll support each other as will other countries like Czechy. Plus a lot of the socialists and liberals in EP will be replaced by nationalists in the coming election - just like numerous countries in Europe that are moving more and more to the right. Then, the EP will be applauding us for the way we handled the migrant crisis and a pushy EU that seeks to stick its nose in our domestic political affairs and punish the country because of how they voted.

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Poland wants trade with Germany no doubt. It does NOT want Merkel or any eurocrat in Brussels either to stick their nose in our domestic affairs.

You ask Poles what they think of the EU and most will tell you they're pro-EU. However, they will also say that when they joined they never imagined that a decade later the EU would be trying to take Poland to the EU court and putting them in front of a commission because of the way Polish people voted. The types of things that PiS is doing are not much different than what other countries have done. The court reforms Poland wants are similar to Spains. EU doesn't complain about far more ecological damage caused by Nord Stream 2 than some trees being chopped down on our territory. The EU didn't criticize Spain's government for cracking down when Catalonians wanted a referendum and the police brutally beat people. The previous PO government also clamped down on PiS people, fired journalists sympathetic to PiS, stuffed the courts, silenced opposition, etc but the EU did nothing. The other countries and leaders get away with doing the same or even worse things than PiS's Poland did simply because they are pro-EU and not euroskeptics.

And they talk about 'rule of law' being in jeopardy - that's my all time favorite and never fails to make me laugh. Yeah theres a problem with the rule of law when in France there's hundreds of no-go zones the police can't enter without being immediately attacked. There's no problem with regular Islamic terror attacks and stabbings by migrants. No problem of rule of law when France is under years of state of emergency thanks to problems the migrants caused. No problems when Jews are chased down by migrants, attacked and synagogues vandalized.Migrants even robbed churches now that's just a huge low. And then some idiots agree to remove crosses from churches because it 'offends' the migrants.... smdh...

Then people who lord over the EU that Polish citizens never voted for have the gall to say '60k fascists marched in Warsaw' because they don't like our independence day parade and expressing our desire to be sovereign and independent. Merkel's the same way - the woman HATES the idea of Germany as an independent nation state. She won't even wave the flag. Merkel allows millions of third worlders to flood Europe thanks to her open door policy, says she regrets her decisions and would handle it differently, then demand that Poland show 'solidarity' for her mistake, and the other eurocrats who exacerbated the migrant crisis by letting so many people who aren't refugees come in, and take in people we never asked for and then threaten to punish us because we refuse to take in people because some other country's politician and EU leaders who Poles didn't vote for said so. Thankfully they've since given up on that as they see their redistribution program is a dead end and a fantasy as very few EU countries want to purposely shoot themselves in the foot and bring in more Merkel burdens and problems.

EU does not understand or respect our history and our Polish identity. We've been off the map for over a century, given basically no help from the UK despite a mutual defense treaty which we ended up even holding up despite they completely abandoning us and left to be ruled over by the Soviets. When we won our independence just 30 years ago we're not going to trade in being ruled by Moscow for being ruled by Brussels.

Duda's speech calling the EU an imaginary community, explaining how our Polish roots dictate our mentality, how the 500 z program helps families, how the government and country now works for the people and the courts aren't corrupt and the system isn't meant for only the elites

youtube.com/watch?v=XnP6NbwaY7c

A EU leader speaking in a crowd of all vanilla faces - a sight that's becoming rarer and rarer in Europe now...

few key points from the speech for our non PL speakers around the end when Duda talks about Poland...

we have a right to rule ourselves and decide the shape of Poland....the youth must get involved in politics and shape Poland the way they want the type of Poland they imagine... community is important but here, in Poland... concerned about Polish affairs, because those are the affairs that are most important to us, once we figure out our issues we can start solving European (EU) problems, till then let us be and let us fix our country, because that is what's most important... (applause) we believe that is the desire and expectation of the majority of Poles..

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Rents in wroclaw for a small 1 bedroom are as low as 2.5 but usually for that youll get a tiny place, very outdated and a less desirable part of town. If you plan to share a place with your wife yoh can find a decent place for 3k zloty and a fairly nice one for 4k plus. Theres a new towm home development being built right on the outskirts that are priced 400k zs plus.

I have a hectare sized lot in wroclaw but the home is a tear down but ill develop it once i settle down there for goo. Im actually about to close on a small 1 bedroom near skytower. Its nothing fancy small place but im getting it super cheap as the current owner is a drunkard going through a divorce - my favorite types of seller in one package.

As far as expenses it depends on your lifestyle. If yoy live like a spartan you may be fine with 1k 1m5k a month. Some polish couples mske do with 4k a month total for rent food bills everything and somehow still manage.

At 15k gross youll be able to live comfortably afford certain luxuries and still save money each month. I would recommend investing your savings either in stocks, certain currencies or even real estate once you get to know the pl market more.

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@cms neuf

That doesnt mean they cant strike deals with respect to eu tariffs. Also tariffs only apply for imported goods which are only one aspect and actually quite a small one of a developed economies gdp. Besides you really think obran gives a sh1t what the eu thinks? Hes buddy buddy with putin and china has more fdi in hungary amd trade than any other central/eadlstern eu nation.

Rofl thats cute. Next youll say that 'rule of law' is in jeapordy in poland just because the EC and some unelected eurocrats said so. Meanwhile the countries they represent - belgium, france, germany etc have real rule of law problems - islamic terror, tons of rapes, no go zones where firdt responders themselves say they have trouble operating and wont go in without a ton of backup, not to mention increasing violent crime, arsons, years long states of emergency. Now those are real rule of law issues, as quite frankly in many of the no go zones the countries cannot effectively enforce the law amd even they admit this.

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@cms neuf

Countries can sign their own trade deals and partnerships outside the eu, similar to germany and russias nord stream 2

xinhuanet.com/english/2017-11/26/c_136780054.htm

forbes.com/sites/davidhutt/2017/09/05/chinas-relationship-with-hungary-is-hitting-a-rocky-patch/

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Idk bout you all but id rather be the ho getting money than the dumb fuckin idiot getting finessed...

Man crow id rather Poland toss her lot with china. Hungary already has one of largest trade deals in eu with china. The chinese dont care about politics they only care about making money. Those dudes don't **** around. They are the new world colonizers. Theyre already colonizing all of africa and with one belt one road their clout will stretch into europe.

@Crow
Oh im aware of the deals china has with the former yugp countries.

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Not at all. They just need to get as much money as possible from eu and split, then develop ties with organizations and countries that respect sovereignty and independence. Thats why i love china. Best people to do business with. Fhey dont give a sh1t about politics or some whiny liberals complainimg about human rights and nosy journos. Money doesn't care od your countey is run by a dictator or a eurocrat or whoever. Thats why you see china making deeper and deeper ties with africa and many east european countries especially hungary

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Everyone has their price. And considering poland is a country not a person it wouldnt be possible. But even if she were, id call her smart for getting tens of billions out of the EU. I dont see anything wrong with ****** personally. I think theyre street smart for using what they can to get gullible people to pay for them. Even despite the EUs whining about rule of law theyre not going to do sh1t about suspending pl voting right plus the most they threatened to cut the cohesion funds os 23%, and thatll be years from now after the 2019 EP elections which i guaruntee you nationalists and anti eu people will win a ton of seats

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Eu is simply a sugar daddy to millions of poles. Most poles could care less about other members problems if it doesnt affect us. We entered for economic reasons, not to have a foreign capital meddle in our domestic political affairs while allowing other members do the exact same things but face no criticism because theyre more pro eu. Weve had enough of rule from afar in our history with russia germany austria deciding what goes on in our lands. As long as the money keeps coming and theres free movement poles will be pro eu. Once that changes i doubt poles will be as enthusiastic about the eu. If theres one thing poles value its independence and sovereignty. Poles aren't going to let brussels or germany dictate what we do and neither is the government that poles elected based on campaign promises.

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Regardless of whether its 37% or 50 to 70% (eurostat estimate), germany is already captive to russia certainly for its gas which nord stream 2 will basically double further increasing their reliance and vulnerability. Can you imagine what would happen if putin decides to **** with germany by arbitrarily raising the price? That's exactly what i would do once nord stream 2 is completed because even though german will complain theyll still pay for it due to the 11 bil spent on the project and the fact that they womt be able to find a new provider for a significant chunk of germanys energy demands at the drop of a hat. He could even stop all shipments in the case of a conflict and germans would be scratching their heads on how what to do. Amd its not just natural gas, lot of oil comes from russia too.

Merkel complains about putin being aggressive and annexing crimea but doesnt seem to have a problem sending billions over to russia amd doubling imports of gas once nord stream 2 is finished, money that will undoubtedly make it's way to the russian military which threatens europe. And were supposed to protect germany even though they don't meet the 2% benchmark? Naw fts...

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money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/news/economy/russia-europe-gas-dependency/index.html

The European Union imports 69% of its natural gas, according to the European Commission. The latest available data shows 37% of the imported gas comes from Russia, about 33% from Norway, and 11% from Algeria.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/russian-gas-exports-to-eu-hit-seasonal-record-amid-ukraine-talks

rt.com/business/434911-gazprom-russia-europe-exports

Gas deliveries to Germany jumped 12.3 percent.

37% is a pretty big fraction Tac....and that's only going to go up with Nord Stream 2 - not down...


And while the European Union vowed to cut its dependency on Russian gas after the crisis in Ukraine, Russian exports to Europe have risen to record levels in the last two years.

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Not gonna happen for a while. Eu has huge support in poland - over 80%. Even though millions of poles dont like how the eu has shifted to the far left lately and totally politicized the commission and despise how unelected eurocrats say sh1t like '60k fascists marched in warsaw' and show contempt for poland, theyll stall in the eu as money keeps coming. Question is whether eu support will remain that high once poland becomes a net payee and stops getting as much money.


Poles arent fond of nord stream 2 and our government hates it just as much as trump


Yup poles are gradually diversifying gas providers including the us.

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Youre a big boy. You can figure it out. Google is your friend.

To my understanding once you have eu citizenship you can work in any eu country, as far as pl/eu residency im not sure as personally i never had to go through it as im a dual us pl citizen.

Actually i am planning to open an immigration/consulting/recruitment type of firm in poland in the near future that caters to immigrants primarily the white collar and wealthy from India ukraine belarus russia Georgia China etc a one stop shop for everything related to entering immigration, finding a school, apartment, medical care, employment, etc. But thatll be in the next 1.5 2 years when we open our doors.


From what ive seen most stay around 3 to 5 years before moving on.


Not sure about whatsapp but there is a thread here, probably the most active on this site actually, thats about visa immigtation etc info. Also there are numerous expat forums, facebook groups and a few english expat groups in my city of wroclaw.

What part of poland are you plannong on moving to?

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Yes very much so. Average salaries in the cities are around 4k 5k gross. Youll live very well on such a salary


So have 90% of the indians that come to poland. An increasing chunk are settling down in pl though as even though theyll make more money in w europe, the cost of living is much higher. If you can make 15k 20k zloty a month in poland you'll live better than making say 7k euro a month in places like berlin paris london uk

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Over 80% of poles want to remain in the eu. Question is whether that number will rise or fall once Poland stops receiving funds and has to start paying in.