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Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

I didn't say that they weren't.

Until 1941 Poles were a main target for the Nazis. \Only later Hitler started extermination of Jews,
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]

What's the English equivalent of Hrabia?

Count !

And are there people now days that still have the title of Dukes that have been passed down to their over time?

check my links
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

t proves your earlier statements were false. Either deliberate lies of just ignorance.

I'm not familiar with those alleged fact that Harry posted. I just cannot be bother to check it - thats all!
As for your Wolczyn example I have check it initially and it looks like BS - no offense!
I will check in a free time.
Just general timbre of what Harry post here about Jews in Poland during WWII is repulsive ! I'm not going to apologize for Polish criminals and I do not expect Jews to apologize for their criminals.

I would say we are even. There are plenty of Jews who believe Poles are anti Semites and there are plenty of Poles who believe that Jews are anti-Polish.

Some of the feeling is justified on both sides but mostly it is a prejudice fueled by the other side attitude.
Harry is only adding fuel that the fire!
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Read Piotrowski, read about Worczyn, read eyewitness accounts from people who have no reason to say anything other than what they saw.

What does it prove if it the truth ? Nothing about NZS as whole or their policy, just some people (possibly but not likely ), so what ?

For every murder of Jew by a Pole I can dig out Pole murdered by a Jew ? Isn't all that dividing of Polish citizens into groups racist in itself ?
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Sadly for you, history has very much got it right when it comes to things such as the NSZ murdering suvivors of the Warsaw ghetto uprising. That history has already been written about many times and you'll have to work hard to rewrite it.

Sadly for you history is just one of the means to achieve your aims. And to be honest I don't give a shyte about some obscure shiye you are digging out. Frankly because I'm tied of your lies and even if that were true I that doesn't change a thing. (I suspect that it is humbug as almost every-time you post something about Jews and WWII)

Poles own to Jews - nothing ! There is plenty of examples when Jews were committing crimes and murders against Poles during and after WWII.
Yes some,so what ?We are even!
NSZ policy was to defend Polish population and I doubt very much that they killed anybody who was a harmless refugee. It sound as commie propaganda as any survivors of the Ghetto desperate defense against liquidation of the Ghetto who evaded Germans, would have been taken care of by the Polish underground. The only people who would want to avoid that would be semi-criminal Jewish organizations who pried on people in the Ghetto, and after escape trying to do the some on Polish population.

enough for today.
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Tactic is a leftists thingy as they do rewrite history to their liking. I'm immune to such tactics and if you are not interested in the truth then I guess it is the time to change the subject.
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Check out the Worczyn massacre, among others.

you mean that leftist BS ?

Units of the anti-Semitic NSZ, who were apparently responsible for the murder of 120 Jews in the village of Worczyn in the Ludmir District, joined the 27th Division of the AK.

Which is perpetuated by some murky Jewish sites because its fits their view of the world?
Have some read here:
docstoc.com/docs/79731983/A-TANGLED-WEB]
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

he paramilitary wing of the Endecja regime).

Wrong. there wasn't any such thing. Antebellum government was formed by Legionaries and their Commandant and they were a political opponents of Endecja.
ND never formed any government.
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

The holocaust was a Jewish tragedy and a Polish tragedy (and a Romani tragedy): we should not stand by and let revisionists rewrite history and change the past.

so called Holocaust was done by the Germans.
Mass murders and gulags were done by Russians, Bolshevistic. The only people who are defending Bolshevism are Bolshevistic themselves or Trotskists.
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

I am not lying, as is shown by the sentences of the WWII Polish underground courts handed down to the most notorious Jew murderers, i.e. death.

any links that link NSZ with those "murders"?
Ironside   
3 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Just as Polish 'soldiers' from organisations such as NSZ hunted down Jews and murdered them.

stop lying !
Ironside   
2 Jul 2012
Genealogy / Poland Heraldry and Nobility in names/families [59]

We found 2 family crests that we believe came from Poland or Belarus.

I'm pretty certain that is not the case.
See for yourself:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Herby_szlachty_polskiej
Ironside   
2 Jul 2012
History / What do Poles owe to Jews? [593]

Some people say that even Adam Mickiewicz, the greatest Polish poet, was partly Jewish.

Some people say anything. That myth has been busted a long time ago!
Ironside   
30 Jun 2012
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

What does it matter ? He display common sense at least. Which cannot be said about some people living in Poland !

It seems to me that some people instead of looking for things that connect them are focusing on differences to divide people and then to make it easy to force on them some totalitarian philosophy.
Ironside   
25 Jun 2012
USA, Canada / Polish-American criminals [70]

ou have finally worked out that as I'm neither Polish nor Jewish, I can not be a Polish Jew.

You are not OK whatever you are ! You kind of mental and intellectual drivel is so pitifully hateful that no matter what you are, you are pathetic.

He knew how old she was

Maybe ...
Ironside   
25 Jun 2012
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I dread to think

bingo !

What a delightful lady you are. S

lady ? :D
Poor harry going bonkers !

PF really would be a far better place without you.

Well the world would be a better place without you ! Such people like you are hate mongering mental dwarfs !

Such a pity that you still can't learn the difference between hurling insults and discussing topics.

You are not discussing topics. You spread propaganda and lies!Yes harry there are not half-trues but there are whole lies !
Stop your propaganda and we can discus the topic.

I-S not that I think you will.
Ironside   
25 Jun 2012
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

and some 250,000 Poles served in the German armed forces

Yeah tell us more about your love for Poles ! You must be Nazi through and through .....but honestly stop that gibberish and skunky interpretation of yours, if you are unwilling or unable to understand the past and complicated situation of many people that for goodness sake shut up your gob.

Funny thought that you are not going about number of Jews who were working for German state or for Gestapo.

After you've done that you can explain how Jews being banned from living in Warsaw for the majority of the time it has been the capital of Poland fits into your diatribe.

Should be banned altogether from the country, Poland would be better of for it. And there would be less miserable half wits looking to blame Poles for all the wrongs of the world.

This guy sounds fake

Thanks yehudi I think the same, would you agree that Harry sound Jewish ?

nd let's also check which country had the most Jews to save and which country failed to save the largest number of Jews

Yeah Harry because it is the duty of Poles to do nothing else than saving Jews, right ? On the other hand Britain and any given country doesn't own anything to Poland, right ?

Wait ! Tell us more how much you like Poland, maybe somebody will believe you !

The site claims that members of the Straz Graniczna were victims in Katyn. Given that the SG didn't even exist until 1991, it seems rather...implausible.

There was KOP, preforming similar functions - grasping at straws again ?

Their country too.

No, that never was their country. For most of them anyway, those whose Poles-Jews who were patriots of that country shared a sad fate of Polish patriots during and after WWII>

Unless of course, you think that the constitution should be ignored when it suits your own agenda

According to many constitutions, in many countries citizen are equal - do you really believe that to be true?
Ironside   
17 Jun 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

True, could be argued that the vast amount of suffering at the hands of dictators and colonials is far worse than anything Poland has suffered.

What about Jews then?
Ironside   
14 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

for example; I would spread libelous information about your grandmother and presumably she is not with us, Would I be allowed to do it?
Ironside   
14 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

Do I have to remind you that in 1991, there were still significant Soviet military forces in Poland?

I know, I was there, while you were pissing your nappies.

Books that are referenced by credible historians.

credible to whom ?any names ?

he details of his father's career in the PZPR (after being an AK solider) comes out.

Do you have prove that he was a traitor, you know for the court, stipulations are not counting.
Ironside   
14 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

think anyone, from reading reasoned, well researched books

Ah ? From books, nice !

f the hardliners in Moscow had won in 1991, he might very well have been captured and executed.

priceless :D

And others. Aren't they still trying to get Stefan Michnik extradited, as well as quite a few Germans?

they try and they try and somehow all comes to naught.
As Harry said there some who never moved and nobody bothers them, but Harry thinks that because they are no Jewish, but Harry would think that being err non compos menti.

Strange how Ironside never criticises Jaroslaw Kaczynski,

You lot are doing it overtime besides he is not in charge.

despite him being a known product of a Communist traitor who clearly betrayed his fellow AK men.

Have you considered that somebody may take you to the court for spreading libelous informations?

Funny that, I've been here for 17 years and for none of that time have there been Soviets in charge

Really ? post-communist, WSI, rings any bells ?I think not, you are chasing your own tail, looking for racists and anti-Semites !

oh, you refuse to tell us how long you have lived in Poland.

I tell you if you tell me your age ... no free lunches.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

So his views are easy to dismiss because of how long he's lived in Poland

His experience of Poland three years - what he can know but really ?few everyday details?
No, his age(if told the truth) and his attitude (ie I know it all) whereas he is easily impress or he just do not care for what may seem to him internal politics, or just side with his friends.

I just say that he is not in position to be judgmental !

where you live and the length of time that you have lived in Poland are completely irrelevant.

Sure it isn't, I'm Polish and I know all the forces at play in Poland. I also know the stake, few inches left and I would have been more open minded, so to speak.

Poland and you have lived here for none of the last 20 years?

Oh no Harry, I have, I tried to make a difference, but there are still soviets in charge.
That is the reason I don't like you aside from the fact that you are not quite right in the head, you think that in the vacuum without real Polish elite you can imprint your ideas as to what Poland's path should be.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

All if this information were relevant to the issue debated and furthermore I consequently refuse to post any personal information on the Internet.

However delphian definite opinions on complex issues and brushing off past as a dust which means nothing are not on.
It easy for him as he hasn't lived or experiences much !
his attitude is shallow and need to be corrected.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

I'm asking you - you're the biggest PiS fanboy on here, after all.

Am I ? that is a news to me ! other than ugly and stupid way of classify everybody who is opposed to criminally incompetent PO government as PiS what else did you pick up from your PO friends /maybe I should ask you to explain each and every PO's blunders ?

There are no experts who are experts in that area.

O curse they are, do your homework,

Good question. I think it's probably because the Government wants to avoid a bitter row over what should be done with them. You're not stupid,

Well, you actually think that I'm stupid ! what kind of excuse is that / nobody has to "give" anything to anybody - just an access !

It doesn't answer my question - why wreckage is in the Russian hands along with black box ? After all there is nothing to hide, all have been solved and explained by MAK and Polish report !

Where? There are wild claims and speculation

here -

Two months before the tragedy Tomasz Turowski – the former communistic spy working for a secret services’ branch strictly controlled by the Russian secret services – had been reinstated into work in the Polish Foreign Affairs Ministry. At the time of crash he was present on the landing strip

Ironside   
13 Jun 2012
History / Where is Helena Wolińska-Brus buried? [52]

And yet without him, the Autumn of Nations may never happen.

Really ? Are you in postion to judge delph ? You are what - 25, 26 and three years in Poland ?/ what make you such expert on all things ?

I say that without him things would be even better for Poland.
Ironside   
13 Jun 2012
News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [870]

Why is it Ironside, that despite the best efforts of PiS, they still haven't produced *one* expert who backs up their theories? Could it be because no expert in a relevant field agrees with them?

What theories and why you ask me ? Ask PiS!
As for experts, there a few of them whose calculations and expertise definitely put a big question mark on the official report.
not their fault that they have no access to the wreckage and the black box - why those are still in the Russian hands ?
Why PO done nothing about it?

His opinion doesn't actually say anything.

there is actually an interesting piece of information,

I'm sure the Roma nation would have a thing or two to say about that

the-Roma what ?
what about the African nation then, what Kunta Kinte would have said at such racist omission eh?