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Ironside   
22 Jul 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

But, FYI, those are Lancers/Uhlans you dope :)

WTF?Don't pay that much attention to the word hussar, it is not synonymous with husarz, not for Poles anyway, you layman :)
the pictures shows in order:
the national cavalry
Chevau-léger
Uhlans
they were reformed from the winged hussars regiments into cavalry-lancers.
Today their tradition are continued by:



sorry, by them: Poland war badge
Ironside   
22 Jul 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

That simple, winged hussars were outdated in XVIII century and not effective anymore.
Them were replaced by them:

Uniform

and during Napoleon times by that:

szwolez.jpg - Old Polish uniform

and they kicked your as*s!
Ironside   
21 Jul 2011
History / Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them? [257]

Do most Polish military historians now agree that the wings were never used in battle?

Nope, they agree that most probably the wings were used in battle. Opinions wary as to; one wing or two, connected onto the armor of hussar or onto the saddle.

The winds were an element used freely by individual hussar, no uniformity induced by a higher command.

Historians, I've read, also claim that the wind whistling through the hussars wings when they charged made an eerie noise that terrified the enemy, and so they were also worn to induce panic in Poland's foes

Nope, not noise, rather their view had a psychological effect on a foe.
That and a fact that all those feathers and tiger skins, supposed to have a magical essence, infusing hussars with predatory spirit of those animals which skins and feathers they wore(bear, wolf, panther, lion; eagle, falcon).
Ironside   
9 Jul 2011
Food / Polish bacon doesn't fry up? [70]

only if they know what to do with it. Poles might find the idea of bacon and eggs odd.

What about eggs and ham or eggs and boczek ?

it's the same with heinz beans. they don't know what to do with them.

Well, there is something better fasolka a la Brittany :)
fasolka_po_bretonsku.jpg
Ironside   
9 Jul 2011
Life / Stereotypes about Polish people being stupid? [281]

That was wrong, Everest was an English surveyor,

don't you think that the mountain had a name in local lingo, if ever locals bothered to call it some other name than a big peak or a big phallus!

I take it that Everest sounds better but he did not built or invited that mountain.
However we should be grateful that his name wasn't Bigsbe or Flatt !
Ironside   
5 Jul 2011
History / Polish visas granted after 1989 [14]

how long was that?

I stayed legally for a month or so and the rest of my stay was illegal. :):):) I worked hard and after a year I came back to Poland

Problems with reading comprehension fuzz?
I'm not surprised.
Ironside   
27 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

In your opinion.

Yes, in my opinion. However my opinion is based on an unquestionable principle that states being colonies or pupped states cannot be hold responsible or accountable for actions of their respective governing bodies as if they would had been independent states.

The fact remains that there was support for communism in Poland before 1989.

What support ? Scum and traitors, opportunist and a sad souls born in enslavement and knowing no better?
You know that Red Army lived Poland in the early 90'. That Soviet Poland was a police state run by the regime answerable and controlled by the Kremlin. So, who really did support that :

a. a traitor
b. a fool

And elections won afterwards by the reformed communist party.

These elections was won because commies were left free to roam about Scott free and grab a large chunk of the state property.
Ironside   
27 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

But I'm sure that the fact that more Poles were members of the PZPR than were ever members of Solidarnosc is just another inconvenient part of Polish history for you.

Nope, what inconvenient bout that?I do not contest facts, only your interpretations of them!

You're saying the two are mutually exclusive? Remember three million Poles were party members.

Well, yes but those Poles for a most part were traitors obeying commands of foreign power.
Why would Poles be assisted with their deeds?
Let say that your a very distant family member turned a murderous scum. Would be right for his victims or their families to demand compensation from you ?

Is it difficult to understand ?
Ironside   
27 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

Dear lady, even you should feel ashamed of telling such a pack of lies! There isn't even a shred of truth in that paragraph.

Dear Harry, There is a link for you about that issue. Unfortunately only Polish version of it is worth its salt.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polacy_w_Wehrmachcie]

And here we have yet another inconvenient part of Polish history: Poles ethnically cleansing Poland.

Sweet pie, not Poles but commies obeying commands from the Kremlin. That is an distinction you seem to be ignoring totally.

Established at the order of the Polish government,

Well ,there we go again, lets establish ones and for all that government of the Soviet Poland wasn't at all government of Poland, independent Poland - when you learn to distinguish between those two, you can come back and we have a real discussion if you are interested in it!!

You so far didn't discuss one single subject, just kept ranting about me a) being Harry b) not knowing polish history.

This is The Internet forum. Its means that you can scroll back and check who wrote what.
I'm saying that either you are lazy and write things and accusations without checking or you are accusing me of things I have no done on purpose, meaning you are indeed a troll.

I see no purpose to use a guest account other then when a member of the forum want to say something he/she wouldn't had said otherwise.

Never-mind all that, I asked you :

Silesianka:
nd who thinks it was ok to destroy 1000yrs of history and replace it with socialistic shoe boxes

Would you like to quote my words where I said that, or admit that you are lying.

I'm asking you to either provide a quote my words or apologize for stating something which is not true.
Nothing personal, but I expect a basic respect from a person I'm about to have a serious discussion with.
Without that I'm not going to address others issues you have risen in your post. A Half of which are off topic - this thread deals with historical issues - not contemporary trivia.
Ironside   
26 Jun 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and East European prostitutes in the UK [240]

You are becoming sloppy Sean. That would be more Seanus-like sentence

I would say that your interest guide your steps and because of that you tend to stumble upon slutty prostitutes

shame on you :)
Ironside   
26 Jun 2011
UK, Ireland / Polish and East European prostitutes in the UK [240]

well, Rebut can me in secret what your previous screen name was?
On PF there are aplenty of such threads and topics, just use a search function.
I would say that your interest guide your steps and because of that you tend to stumble upon slutty prostitutes.
Seriously, I suggest that you pay for an sociological survey if you are really interested in a credible answer.
Ironside   
26 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

What I am?

Whatever you are my dear, you are seriously messed up and I don't see any point of discussing history with you of which you obviously do not know much about.

nd who thinks it was ok to destroy 1000yrs of history and replace it with socialistic shoe boxes

Would you like to quote my words where I said that, or admit that you are lying.
That would be proof of your sincerity and I would be willing to correct your erroneous views, if not then you can go and play with yourself for all I care:)
Ironside   
26 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

free to claim Wladimir Pawlowski was Austrian,

Never heard about him, and given Austrian past he could well be an Austrian.
Even if he wasn't, so what ?

The latest "cleansing" of Jews in poland took place in 1968 and the poles so far didn"t offer any compensantion for those holocaust survivor"s and descendents they kicked out of the country - want to talk to those people?

At last size able number of them should be talk to by an investigator to explain they role they played in soviet regime in Poland.

And nobody kick them out at the gun point, they could stay.
However it is a highly abstractive subject - I don't consider that to be part of the Polish history, rather a history of Poland under Soviet rule.

for Polish Concentration camps I cordially invite you to visit Ruda Slaska (amongst other places)

Well, they were hardly Polish Concentrations camps.

many Germans didn't flee in panic, they were kicked out by Poles who took over their property

Yeah, many didn't and were kicked out - nobody deny it.What is your point ?

There you'd have your polish Nazi.

He would be a German Nazi and Polish Traitor :)

Well, the Nazis, Hitler and all wasn't imposed on Germans by a foreign power, and implemented by a foreign army and bayonets. No foreign army was backing Hitler;s degree's and thugs but German.

so, hahaha in your face :) Get your facts straights first!
Antisemitism a deeply rooted polish thing ?
Hhahah in your face again ! What are you anyway ?

Then talk to former inmates before they pass away. Ruda Slaska was a polish concentration camp (with survival rates close to Ausschwitz) until 1953!

Really ? From 1945 Poland was an Soviet run pupped state, at the same time the biggest Polish heroes were being murdered by soviets - so think twice about calling that camp - Polish !

These were mostly innocent people, so they should get their property back unless they were party members.

They payed for the action of their government. IF you have a beef with the way they had been treated, I suggest you call GB, USA and Russia government's . Because it was decisions of their predecessors, not Poland's.
Ironside   
17 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

So in essence you are telling me that you will not accept any number or any source, as long as it can't tell you exactly how many Germans were killed, when and where - if possible with a name, photo, eye witness report and accompanying death certificate? Well, I guess we can retire all historians then...

Now, don't be absurd. I can accept a reasonable estimation done by professionals.
What I refuse to do is accept numbers which comes from equation :
The Number of civilians before end of the war on certain territories and the number of civilians from those territories after the war, it tells us nothing!

What about the passage of the Red Army, doesn't that account for most of those 500,000 missing ?
You tell me......
So, far you have your theory and I have mine, both plausible, but mine slightly more than yours, eh?
Ironside   
16 Jun 2011
Life / Are Polish roads really this bad? [237]

So, why is that?

gee, due to corruption - no wonder that all hate Kaczynski because he was going after corrupted!
Ironside   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

You cannot deny the fact that there was a large number of casualties amongst German civilians after the end of the war.

A large number of casualties amongst German civilians is an enigmatic expression which tell us exactly nothing !
After the end of the war - that better!
Are you in possession of sources that can tell us actual number of killed after the war? That would be basics on which we could discus further , otherwise is only stipulation.

What I would like to see, is the number of German civilians killed after the war in Poland.

Yes, there were rapes, robbery's and sometimes killings of deportees done by some demoralized by the war Poles.
Nothing near 500 000 , though!
As I said that number is a summary of all death from the territories they were being deported. Which means that includes killed during the war as well.

Not too worry, as soon as there will be credible book on the subject. I will read that and accept 5, 50, 500 or 5000 victims of Poles - no bother! The point is I will not accept stipulations and estimations based on tin air!
Ironside   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

Yes, rounding up Jews and packing them into cattle trucks off to the death camps was a perfectly acceptable thing to do. Oh, sorry, yet another inconvenient part of Polish history....

Sure Harry any prove ? eh? lies and lies ?
rounding up ? they were already in ghettos if so packing and rounding were being done by Jewish police !

Deny, deny, deny, and keep denying!

Any Poles working for Soviets was a traitor, so what your issue Harry ? Deny what exactly ? What is that you want? but really.... no more BS!

Yes & Pilsudski didn't want Poland & Fran

listen if you are really polish shut your trap!
Ironside   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

Half a million was on the lower end of the estimates, and you know that.

Yes but German's were repulsed from Baltic states, Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia and finally Poland. Do you those 500 000 death want to blame on Poles? Fine, where is your prove ?

The fact is that Germans count their death summarily. It doesn't say for example whatever death occurred in 1944 or 1945 or 1946, majority of killed were happened during the war.

And that case would not stand a chance in court !
Erica that lovely lady forgot conveniently that she was conceived and spend first years of her life spend in the apartment stolen from a Polish owner who was kick out and deported if not killed. Hypocrite !

As for using incorrect nomenclature, your link only shows that present definition is being challenged but it has no bearing on the cases from the past!
Ironside   
16 Jun 2011
History / So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think? [158]

Well, that is only YOURspeculationsso far Harry !
Nobody is stopping you from hiring some historian to research that subject!

But to Polish sources he is Belorussian. What was I saying about denial?

Not only Polish sources but also German. Let say, he was Polish - so what ?

A few hundred actually, but that fact is also inconvenient, let's sweep it away.

That a few clearly shows your bias and prejudice sunshine, two hundred. There was documentary in Polish TV about that, few years ago. So, your claim about sweeping it away is burst

The term "concentration camp" was used by contemporary media to describe the camps in question. But it is easier to simply deny that fact.

What fact? The fact that before WWII there was political prison in Poland, and if you want to call it concentration camp to maliciously bring connotations with German camps from the times of WWII.

Sure, all you did was ban their language, close their schools, close their churches, close their libraries, close their reading rooms, ban their organisations

Not that bad, considering times and circumstances - maybe not nice and I do not condone that but not that bad. Once again, nobody denies that, well nobody is going about it round the clock, but your claim that it is not dealt with is empty and invalid.

ban their organisations and send anybody who objected too loudly to a concentration camp. None of that is bad!

Yes, terrorist organizations or organizations closely associated with terrorists !

The fact is that there were several. But it is easier to deny again.

Several ? When? After WWII camps was run by Soviets and traitors. Poles were in those camps as the victims along with others !

Really? Could you be so kind as to point out the US law which said that Jews could only sit on certain benches in universities?

Fine, but those practices () started in 1937 and there hardly been time to implement them before 1939. Again, hardly a secret, some do goodies and other pussies ram that down our throats every now and then, probably because it was about Jews. Hardly a big deal considering.As for others countries (not that it matters):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerus_clausus#Numerus_clausus_in_the_United_States

The Blue Police perhaps

Police was OK!

The Świętokrzyżka brigade maybe?

They were doing a good job !
Harry, what is your issue ? Time to confess:)