Ironside
27 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
As the example of Rymkiewicz's prosecution proved.
There is freedom of speech in Poland.
As the example of Rymkiewicz's prosecution proved.
Ironside
26 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Because I care ?
Why don't you cut amount of BS? Is that your argument? - weak!
Why not let Poland`s Poles decide if their freedom is in danger or not? .... :):):):):):):)
Because I care ?
Why don't you cut amount of BS? Is that your argument? - weak!
Ironside
26 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Yeah ? keep talking ....
Really ? would you like to apply that to countless articles of GW ?
the case against Rymkiewicz is nonsense because such interpretation of the law would render all public debate impossible.
Basically you're saying that one can say anything as long as one doesn't offend somebody or his (defined by himself dignity).
Which is another nonsense because that would be opposite of free speech. Limits yes, lies, profanities, malicious untrue rumors, yes that is not free speech.
In politics and political debate such restraints should be even more relaxed!
That is especially true for GW - a newspaper that is so political and used frequently in the published articles opinions and point of view which given your interpretation of freedom of speech should be punishable by the law.
GW wrote that Kaczynski want to become dictator, falsify election and many more.
Politicians whose GW editors did not like, they never hesitated to claim those politicians are spiritual heirs of the Black Sotnia, or ayatollah.
Lets wage here :
- an individual speaking his mind about editors and political line of a newspaper
- A powerful newspaper, publishing its views in hundreds of thousands copies.
Who is more influential?
Both expressed their opinion (GW many times).
Who was punished ?
It appears that in practice GW can freely do the same for which Rymkiewicz had been punished. Seems that that would be a contrary to what the free speech is all about.
That is the pick of hypocrisy, you're accusing me of your own malady. Please write more in this tenor for everyone to see your utter contempt for law and justice.
What has it got to do with anything ? Did I ask you who do you support or which football team do you support ?That information is irrelevant to me but not for an utterly biased and political partisan like you.
Your first and uttermost loyalty is your clique. Not honor, not country, not law, not justice, not the truth but the clique. You don't ask yourself is he guilty or not but is he ours or not?.
You have no clue what free speech means and what freedom means and you never will, you are what I call a Soviet-Pole.A waste of space.
Not as an answer to you but to somebody who is reading this thread.
I think that the RCC in Poland because of historical facts needs protection against publicity stunts aimed at religion and against vulgar remarks uttered by talentless blond bimbos for no other reason than to be present on TV.
I have nothing against any opinion about the RCC expressed in a tactful manner and if the point of discussion is about some issue not winging.
I'm not defending Rymkiewicz but I'm defending freedom in Poland which is clearly in danger.
You still do not understand ! He (Rymkiewicz) can be right he can be wrong but he still has a right to express his opinion without prosecution. It is not a case for courts and that is what the court should state.
You clearly have no idea or do not grasp the concept of freedom of speech. You do not grasp the Polish spirit and Polish culture, you are spiritual alien !
The only thing that fails here is your logic.
Yeah ? keep talking ....
Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to purposefuly lie and offend anyone, to violate someone's dignity.
Really ? would you like to apply that to countless articles of GW ?
The dignity of every human is also protected by Polish law. Therefore I praise the court for ruling against Rymkiewicz and for having the courage to speak the obvious (at least obvious for some on PF).
the case against Rymkiewicz is nonsense because such interpretation of the law would render all public debate impossible.
Basically you're saying that one can say anything as long as one doesn't offend somebody or his (defined by himself dignity).
Which is another nonsense because that would be opposite of free speech. Limits yes, lies, profanities, malicious untrue rumors, yes that is not free speech.
In politics and political debate such restraints should be even more relaxed!
That is especially true for GW - a newspaper that is so political and used frequently in the published articles opinions and point of view which given your interpretation of freedom of speech should be punishable by the law.
GW wrote that Kaczynski want to become dictator, falsify election and many more.
Politicians whose GW editors did not like, they never hesitated to claim those politicians are spiritual heirs of the Black Sotnia, or ayatollah.
Lets wage here :
- an individual speaking his mind about editors and political line of a newspaper
- A powerful newspaper, publishing its views in hundreds of thousands copies.
Who is more influential?
Both expressed their opinion (GW many times).
Who was punished ?
It appears that in practice GW can freely do the same for which Rymkiewicz had been punished. Seems that that would be a contrary to what the free speech is all about.
Your comments show that state and law doesn't mean much to you, unless they are on your side.
That is the pick of hypocrisy, you're accusing me of your own malady. Please write more in this tenor for everyone to see your utter contempt for law and justice.
This posts are written by a supporter of PiS, a party of declared state worshippers. I don't think that Poland needs such love ;/
What has it got to do with anything ? Did I ask you who do you support or which football team do you support ?That information is irrelevant to me but not for an utterly biased and political partisan like you.
Your first and uttermost loyalty is your clique. Not honor, not country, not law, not justice, not the truth but the clique. You don't ask yourself is he guilty or not but is he ours or not?.
You have no clue what free speech means and what freedom means and you never will, you are what I call a Soviet-Pole.A waste of space.
As I said, if the law is not on your side, then it is a bad law, isn't Ironside?
Not as an answer to you but to somebody who is reading this thread.
I think that the RCC in Poland because of historical facts needs protection against publicity stunts aimed at religion and against vulgar remarks uttered by talentless blond bimbos for no other reason than to be present on TV.
I have nothing against any opinion about the RCC expressed in a tactful manner and if the point of discussion is about some issue not winging.
It is amusing that you decided to defend Rymkiewicz The Hypocrite. I guess you founded common ground....
I'm not defending Rymkiewicz but I'm defending freedom in Poland which is clearly in danger.
Rymkiewicz asked by Piotr Rogowski
You still do not understand ! He (Rymkiewicz) can be right he can be wrong but he still has a right to express his opinion without prosecution. It is not a case for courts and that is what the court should state.
You clearly have no idea or do not grasp the concept of freedom of speech. You do not grasp the Polish spirit and Polish culture, you are spiritual alien !
Ironside
25 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
I don't know about your prying but if you don't pray to Michnik and GW isn't your bible then your comparison fails.
Shouldn't than even attempt to rule in this case as it is clearly not about facts. It is about an opinion and political debate.
The ruling itself is political and has nothing to do with facts.
I'm using wiki to avoid debate about the word "opinion"!
I see that I'm talking to an Egyptian priest. Mystery, secret knowledge and sacred procedures mastered only by the blessed few. I didn't know that Poland has social structure of ancient Egypt and court rulings are above judgment and taboo. One can only bow and accept - you wish!
In democracy there is freedom of speech and almost everything is open to debate by a free citizens, especially when the case is political as it is.
Yes it is almost impossible.
Phew?
You mean that post taken out of context ? It is about freedom of speech, there is nothing about an opinion, but about provocation, publicity stunt and religion beliefs.
Nothing to do with the case above. Sorry to burst your bubble !
Well, I'm not really sorry !:)
err ? come again ?
Hey Ironside, what my pryings got to to with anything?
I don't know about your prying but if you don't pray to Michnik and GW isn't your bible then your comparison fails.
In court proceedings everything is about the facts and proofs.
Shouldn't than even attempt to rule in this case as it is clearly not about facts. It is about an opinion and political debate.
The ruling itself is political and has nothing to do with facts.
Btw, how nice of you to use wikipedia, when we talk about Polish law.
I'm using wiki to avoid debate about the word "opinion"!
I see that I'm talking with a true expert, who have knowledge and authority to judge Polish judges ;/
I see that I'm talking to an Egyptian priest. Mystery, secret knowledge and sacred procedures mastered only by the blessed few. I didn't know that Poland has social structure of ancient Egypt and court rulings are above judgment and taboo. One can only bow and accept - you wish!
In democracy there is freedom of speech and almost everything is open to debate by a free citizens, especially when the case is political as it is.
To prove that a certain opinion is slanderous or not is not an easy task,
Yes it is almost impossible.
Ups... busted
Phew?
and here is evidence:
You mean that post taken out of context ? It is about freedom of speech, there is nothing about an opinion, but about provocation, publicity stunt and religion beliefs.
Nothing to do with the case above. Sorry to burst your bubble !
Well, I'm not really sorry !:)
If the Polish far-right want communist symbols and songs banned as offensive under the law, they also need to understand that accusations are similarly offensive under the law.
err ? come again ?
Ironside
25 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Hey kondzior are you praying to Michnik ?
Hey kondzior are you praying to Michnik ?
Ironside
25 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
That is your opinion !Same may find it slanderous !
I think that you have many problems not only in department of comprehension but it only my opinion and I cannot prove it. However I hope that you have nothing to do with the law in Poland for the sake of justice.
You seems to not been able to grasp that an opinion that GW editors are the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party is not about facts.
It is about an opinion!!!!!! In general, an opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Do I have to spell it for you??
No it mean that judges bended backwoods to accommodate powerful editors with many friends in high places.They think that can get away with it.
What evidence could they produce ?It is all about iinterpretation of facts!
Slanderous ? How you can prove without doubt that an opinion is slanderous ? ????
In this way you would render all public debate impossible because if somebody wouldn't like your opinion about something,would surly sue you ?
Anyway GW produced a lot of articles which could be labeled as slanderous. Some even included lies.
I wanted to remaind you about this basic law, because your every post show that you never heard of it.
That is your opinion !Same may find it slanderous !
Please, remember to use facts . You clearly have problems in that department.
I think that you have many problems not only in department of comprehension but it only my opinion and I cannot prove it. However I hope that you have nothing to do with the law in Poland for the sake of justice.
Perhaps you have some sensational facts about GW
You seems to not been able to grasp that an opinion that GW editors are the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party is not about facts.
It is about an opinion!!!!!! In general, an opinion is a subjective belief, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Do I have to spell it for you??
That means that GW gave judges sufficient evidence to counter Rymkiewicz slander and that also means that Rymkiewicz was just expressing his slanderous views without any evidence to support them.
No it mean that judges bended backwoods to accommodate powerful editors with many friends in high places.They think that can get away with it.
What evidence could they produce ?It is all about iinterpretation of facts!
Slanderous ? How you can prove without doubt that an opinion is slanderous ? ????
In this way you would render all public debate impossible because if somebody wouldn't like your opinion about something,would surly sue you ?
Anyway GW produced a lot of articles which could be labeled as slanderous. Some even included lies.
Ironside
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Not if they are suing sunshine !
Anyway - an opinion is unprovable.
I may think that you are an a-h but I have no way to prove it.
Not if they are suing sunshine !
Anyway - an opinion is unprovable.
I may think that you are an a-h but I have no way to prove it.
Ironside
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Editors didn't proved they aren't ! That is the crux of the matter. You cannot prove it one way or the other !
I haven't said a word about that have I? I have no issue with that, what I find revolting is the court ruling and people who were judging in this case. What are their names?
Well, I know you don't like Rymkwicz because he supports other party than you, but you needn't be so open about that as it has nothing to do with the court ruling.
Nope, the ruling was all right as Rymkiewicz wasn`t able to prove that the paper`s editors hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."
Editors didn't proved they aren't ! That is the crux of the matter. You cannot prove it one way or the other !
he editors took an offence, sued him and won. It is normal in a democratic country.
I haven't said a word about that have I? I have no issue with that, what I find revolting is the court ruling and people who were judging in this case. What are their names?
A remark:
Well, I know you don't like Rymkwicz because he supports other party than you, but you needn't be so open about that as it has nothing to do with the court ruling.
Ironside
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Even a nut have a right to express an opinion.
Regardless what party he is supporter.
What is nut is judges whose ruling is really beyond any limits of decency! Contrary to Rymkiewicz those judges are danger to the Polish interdependence and liability to the justice in Poland.
That is nuts!
Even a nut have a right to express an opinion.
Regardless what party he is supporter.
What is nut is judges whose ruling is really beyond any limits of decency! Contrary to Rymkiewicz those judges are danger to the Polish interdependence and liability to the justice in Poland.
Ironside
24 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
So do I!
When somebody pretend that court ruling is anything other than disgrace.
In times of tyranny and injustice, when law oppresses the people,it is time to make things right. Down with tyranny.
So do I!
When somebody pretend that court ruling is anything other than disgrace.
In times of tyranny and injustice, when law oppresses the people,it is time to make things right. Down with tyranny.
Ironside
23 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Sure he was a hero who singlehandedly destroyed Soviets Union, as a first human in history landed on Mars,
No, the thread is not about Michnik and whether he was detained or not but about his and his newspaper political stance and an attitude towards Catholics and Polish traditions,
What is based your attitude to Michink and why do you think that your attitude is superior not based on self-interest .
Don`t be silly. Michnik was detained
Sure he was a hero who singlehandedly destroyed Soviets Union, as a first human in history landed on Mars,
No, the thread is not about Michnik and whether he was detained or not but about his and his newspaper political stance and an attitude towards Catholics and Polish traditions,
Oh, I see. It seems like a personal issue between you and Michnik based on primitive envy.
What is based your attitude to Michink and why do you think that your attitude is superior not based on self-interest .
Ironside
23 Mar 2012
News / The census of 2011 in Poland. [12]
nope there Ukrainians in Poland, ask aphrodisiac-miranda
The increase in Ukrainians must be due to the increase in Ukrainians who began coming over in the early 90s in large numbers and have since gained legal status??
nope there Ukrainians in Poland, ask aphrodisiac-miranda
Ironside
23 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
OK!
What about freedom of speech then ?
An Opinion is not slander, especially in politics.
hey ho ? It isn't bestselling newspaper !
No, he wasn't.
OK!
Quite, and if the right wing want to ban communist symbols, songs etc as hate objects they have to understand that the law applies to them too.
What about freedom of speech then ?
Slander/libel are crimes in democratic countries.
An Opinion is not slander, especially in politics.
the country's best selling newspaper i
hey ho ? It isn't bestselling newspaper !
Ironside
22 Mar 2012
Ironside
22 Mar 2012
News / The census of 2011 in Poland. [12]
In the census of 2011, it was the first time when population of the country had the opportunity to express complex national-ethnic identity.
There were 809 000 declaration of Silesian identity. In that only 362 000 declared only Silesian self-identification,while 415 000 presented themselves as Polish and Silesian.
About 228 000 people, declared Kashubian identity with 212 000 expressing Polish-Kashubian nationality, and 16 thousand. - Only Kashubian.
In 2011 about109 000 residents declared German ethnicity. In 2002 it was 150 thousand.
Ukrainian ethnicity declared about 48 000 Polish citizens. As Belorussian declared themselves 47 000, as Roma (Gypsy) - 16 000. There about 13 000 Russians, 11 000 Americans (USA), 10 000 £emko (interesting) , and about 10 000 English.
Hey what about Scots ? I guess English stand for British.
At the time according to census there is about 1.94 million Polish citizens who are living abroad for more than a year.
Most of them were staying in the UK (30.2%), Germany (21.6 %)., USA (11.4 %)Ireland (6.5%). And the Netherlands (4.6 %)
In the census of 2011, it was the first time when population of the country had the opportunity to express complex national-ethnic identity.
There were 809 000 declaration of Silesian identity. In that only 362 000 declared only Silesian self-identification,while 415 000 presented themselves as Polish and Silesian.
About 228 000 people, declared Kashubian identity with 212 000 expressing Polish-Kashubian nationality, and 16 thousand. - Only Kashubian.
In 2011 about109 000 residents declared German ethnicity. In 2002 it was 150 thousand.
Ukrainian ethnicity declared about 48 000 Polish citizens. As Belorussian declared themselves 47 000, as Roma (Gypsy) - 16 000. There about 13 000 Russians, 11 000 Americans (USA), 10 000 £emko (interesting) , and about 10 000 English.
Hey what about Scots ? I guess English stand for British.
At the time according to census there is about 1.94 million Polish citizens who are living abroad for more than a year.
Most of them were staying in the UK (30.2%), Germany (21.6 %)., USA (11.4 %)Ireland (6.5%). And the Netherlands (4.6 %)
Ironside
22 Mar 2012
News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]
Poet and writer Jaroslaw Marek Rymkiewicz ( age 77) have to apologize to the publisher of "Gazeta Wyborcza" and pay five thousand zł fine, because he said that the editors of "GW" hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."
Well he was right, wasn't he?
Anyway, what about freedom of speech ?
He should has a right to express his opinion.
culture.pl/web/english/resources-literature-full-page/-/eo_event_asset_publisher/eAN5/content/jaroslaw-marek-rymkiewicz
Poet and writer Jaroslaw Marek Rymkiewicz ( age 77) have to apologize to the publisher of "Gazeta Wyborcza" and pay five thousand zł fine, because he said that the editors of "GW" hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."
Well he was right, wasn't he?
Anyway, what about freedom of speech ?
He should has a right to express his opinion.
culture.pl/web/english/resources-literature-full-page/-/eo_event_asset_publisher/eAN5/content/jaroslaw-marek-rymkiewicz
Ironside
21 Mar 2012
News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]
One more thing.
What about pipe-line build on the Baltic sea bottom. How not-green is that ? Yet nobody udder a word about that. Where is the EU commissioner or anything they all keep their mouth shut
CO2 ? Many plants during the night are producing CO2 ! Do they mean to cut them down?
That is another BS and scam to make monies out of taxpayers pockets. I wonder why they call it capitalism still. Maybe becouse it capitalises investemnts into politicians.
One more thing.
What about pipe-line build on the Baltic sea bottom. How not-green is that ? Yet nobody udder a word about that. Where is the EU commissioner or anything they all keep their mouth shut
CO2 ? Many plants during the night are producing CO2 ! Do they mean to cut them down?
That is another BS and scam to make monies out of taxpayers pockets. I wonder why they call it capitalism still. Maybe becouse it capitalises investemnts into politicians.
Ironside
18 Mar 2012
Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]
What do you mean \?Dude he was your g grandpa you should know whether he was Polish or not!
Smollen could be Smoleń there two or three places in Poland which would fit Prussia description !
Wiesznawska - Wiesznawski. My guess is Wieszczyński!
He is supposed to have been Polish.
What do you mean \?Dude he was your g grandpa you should know whether he was Polish or not!
Smollen could be Smoleń there two or three places in Poland which would fit Prussia description !
The surname on documents is Veaschnafska.
Wiesznawska - Wiesznawski. My guess is Wieszczyński!
Ironside
18 Mar 2012
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]
You are Polish right ? You want me to cry ?
There was guerrilla war in Poland after 1945 on much grater scale and in the lands taken by the Soviet Union as well.
Let me ask you again what it has to do with Poles on their ancestral lands? You do not mistook for the moment those lines on map called borders as indication where those Lithuanians fought ?
You are Polish right ? You want me to cry ?
There was guerrilla war in Poland after 1945 on much grater scale and in the lands taken by the Soviet Union as well.
Let me ask you again what it has to do with Poles on their ancestral lands? You do not mistook for the moment those lines on map called borders as indication where those Lithuanians fought ?
Ironside
18 Mar 2012
Ironside
18 Mar 2012
News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]
Do you realize that you are babbling ?
What purely Lithuanian social movements ?You mean while they have been part of the Soviet Union ?Everything had been controlled by Soviets and if not it was political movement in guise of social movement and it wanted to be purely Lithuanian for a reason.
Now, Why would Poles living in their ancestral land would form any cooperation with Lithuanian nationals? I remind you we are talking about Soviet Union ? What would be their reason for doing so?
Do you realize that you are babbling ?
What purely Lithuanian social movements ?You mean while they have been part of the Soviet Union ?Everything had been controlled by Soviets and if not it was political movement in guise of social movement and it wanted to be purely Lithuanian for a reason.
Now, Why would Poles living in their ancestral land would form any cooperation with Lithuanian nationals? I remind you we are talking about Soviet Union ? What would be their reason for doing so?
Ironside
17 Mar 2012
News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]
Suckers ie those who have not say anyway.
Hey I get an idea why don't banks pay for it?Or rich countries who can afford all that military expensive gadgets, yeah let them pay!
I would rather ask, who is going to pay if nobody cares about all this green crap, as you say?
Suckers ie those who have not say anyway.
Hey I get an idea why don't banks pay for it?Or rich countries who can afford all that military expensive gadgets, yeah let them pay!
Ironside
16 Mar 2012
News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]
Well, they can go **** themselves ! Who is supposed to pay for all this green crap?
I don't see richest countries of the EU switching to the public transportation anytime soon.
Well, they can go **** themselves ! Who is supposed to pay for all this green crap?
I don't see richest countries of the EU switching to the public transportation anytime soon.
Ironside
13 Mar 2012
Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]
Unless of curse you are interested in changing people's attitude and not in herding them into a path of your choosing.
:)
Unless of curse you are interested in changing people's attitude and not in herding them into a path of your choosing.
:)
Ironside
13 Mar 2012
Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]
In short I see it as a social engineering. :)To really change people attitude there is no need to change words. Changing words according to one given measure is a manipulation.
I agree that it is easer to manipulate or trick people into something than fundamentally change their attitude/mind.
One may say - whats the difference if the final result is the same.
It is not ! You can manipulate people into some kind of behavioral pattern but it is not a real change.
Nothing sudden about it. And easier to feel decent if language works towards that not against it. Al living languages are always changing so let them change for the better rather than allow whinging about 'perfectly good words' to cloak some of the less desirable attitudes of the past.
In short I see it as a social engineering. :)To really change people attitude there is no need to change words. Changing words according to one given measure is a manipulation.
I agree that it is easer to manipulate or trick people into something than fundamentally change their attitude/mind.
One may say - whats the difference if the final result is the same.
It is not ! You can manipulate people into some kind of behavioral pattern but it is not a real change.
Ironside
12 Mar 2012
Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]
gee Murzyn is murzyn just a word ! Why out of sudden there some nonsense about it being abusive or racist ?its pure nonsense !
If somebody want to be abusive or racist or anything, surly will find a way to do it regardless of wannabe-gurus
What is all that hassle about ? Just be a decent human being !
gee Murzyn is murzyn just a word ! Why out of sudden there some nonsense about it being abusive or racist ?its pure nonsense !
If somebody want to be abusive or racist or anything, surly will find a way to do it regardless of wannabe-gurus
What is all that hassle about ? Just be a decent human being !
Ironside
7 Mar 2012
History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]
Stanisław Leszczyński
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Leszczy%C5%84ski
There was actually one more:
Stanisław Leszczyński
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Leszczy%C5%84ski
Ironside
7 Mar 2012
History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]
yes to what ? if Polish Royal heir - fat chance !as there is no one!
Yes.
yes to what ? if Polish Royal heir - fat chance !as there is no one!
Ironside
6 Mar 2012
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
What happened and what town that would be ?
Yeah she was afraid of her neighbors big deal, everybody needs good neighbors.
It simple happend in my town to !
I was told about this by my family member .His grandma helped the Jews and was afraid of the neighbors.
I was told about this by my family member .His grandma helped the Jews and was afraid of the neighbors.
What happened and what town that would be ?
Yeah she was afraid of her neighbors big deal, everybody needs good neighbors.
Ironside
6 Mar 2012
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]
Aha ! got you !
We can now put your OP where it belongs into the lies section of the forum. You are here to post biased version of your story. Why anybody should believe you now ? Wouldn't that be S-F story?
There is more today of that about killing Jews polish citizens !
so i think is time that a true story of german occupation be told .
so i think is time that a true story of german occupation be told .
Aha ! got you !
We can now put your OP where it belongs into the lies section of the forum. You are here to post biased version of your story. Why anybody should believe you now ? Wouldn't that be S-F story?