Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Because they were not professionals and at least the average teacher would have a fighting chance.
The S.W.A.T. teams are professionals in these cases.


As long as you gun grabbers refuse to face the issue and debate it the longer it will go on.
It is not the guns fault, the gun is being used as a political pawn for the Left which is typical for the Left.
WE don't choose to have guns so YOU shouldn't be allowed to have one either mentality.


Just another clueless foreigner that thinks they know what is best for America Sig.
I have an idea, let's turn this thread to the real issue to correct the problem since all these shooters have one thing in common....MENTAL ILLNESS !

All of them have been on mind altering anti depressants and anti anxiety medication.
All these prescription drugs have warnings on them not to operate machinery or drive a car because they may cause drowsiness yet none of them say, may cause hallucinations WHICH IS one of the side effects of these drugs.

Until the bleeding heart liberals understand that these mental patients should be placed in mental hospitals for their safety as well as the publics safety instead of having the rationalization that it violates their Constitutional Rights the problem is going to continue.

That's the problem, not the guns.
Like Sig, live in a very peaceful town where there is never any gun violence even though many people carry one.
Knives kill more people then guns do.
So back to my idea, let's compare and debate how Poland and the rest of Europe deal with their mentally ill population compared to how America deals with theirs.

That is the key component in these shootings.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


No it wasn't, it was an analogy to your stupid "what if remark" about an armed teacher shooting up the school.
You don't want to debate solutions, you want to disarm every law abiding gun owner in America.
That is your bottom line goal and the Europeans here should be aware of that.
We call people like you "Gun Grabbers".
When you migrated to America from Australia you knew that we have Constitutional Gun Rights so why are you so adamant.
The airplane flies both ways.


Did you not read what I posted back in post #373 Adrian ?


Here, read it for yourself that the school guard was indeed armed. theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/stoneman-douglas-shooting-armed-guard-did-not-go-in

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

You are TOTALLY correct on that and very good point maf.

I have taken several concealed and carry classes, mostly for the law aspect of it as I qualified as a sharpshooter when I was nine years old.

I could honestly say that 75% of the people that take those classes to qualify for a concealed and carry SHOULD NOT own a gun.
They come to those classes and don't even know how to load a gun and are constantly innocently pointing them at people.
I have had at least six people thrown out of classes for innocently pointing one at me.
This brings us to your point maf, if someone pulls theirs to merely intimidate or threaten another person and not willing to use it....it will end up bad for them.

If they live to tell about it the least they will get is four or five years in prison for brandishing a weapon.
My personal view is that if I ever have to pull my weapon that I will be using it or it stays in the holster.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

Here is a stat for you Liberals, "More knives kill people then do guns."
Again and again and again, it was NOT the guns fault in Florida, it was the authorities who refused to act fault.
How many red flags do you want !
Here, read the damn thing for yourself right from Florida so you will quit denying it.

miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201684874.html


I respectfully disagree with you Adrian.
Just type in and Google 'armed guard in Florida shooting' and twenty media outlets have stories that the security guard was indeed armed and in uniform.

Please post your source where it says he wasn't.


Try walking up to a car with stolen plates out on I-94 at 3 a.m. or search a warehouse where there is an armed perp hiding Adrain and tell me how you did.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

What a stupid analogy ........I don't think the armed guard was a good guy, he should be charged with murder for not doing his job.

If he would have been an ex-Marine the shooter would be dead.


What would happen if a stray meteor hit the earth today ?

I see that President Trump and the Governor of Florida just passed a law to raised the age to purchase a firearm to 21 in Florida.

That's more then obama did to try to fix the problem.
The teachers know what kids are potential threats.
(This kid had been kicked out of school for being aggressive..... RED FLAG..... that should have been put on his record for the back ground check)

Why not let teachers order mental evaluations on these troubled kids to force accountability ?
Because the parents would say that it wasn't their kid who is the problem and say that it was the other kids fault that their kid was running with.

Also reopen the Mental facilities that closed and turned the mentally ill out into society.
Get these people off our streets for their safety and ours.
Notice that ALL these shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety pills.
(Oh and they all have been Democrats too)

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


They did have an armed guard at that school on duty.
When the shots started ringing out the armed security officer ran outside and hid.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

They don't need sorting.
The gun grabbers have one goal in mind and that is to disarm America which includes the law abiding citizens which will never happen in our life time so why even go there.

Why not face the real problem which is mental illness and reopen the mental hospitals and put the mentally ill back in them where they are not a threat to themselves or society.

That's how you fix the problem.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


That's how the Wild West was won so it worked for them.
You have just been condition Atch that guns are a bad thing when it is a bad person behind a gun that makes them bad.


I hope you are not trying to be serious Atch.
If voting made a difference they wouldn't let us vote.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


And five innocent people were just shot coming out of a church in Russia who has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


You people are not listening.
Take Jamaica for another example where all guns are outlawed and ammunition is too.
Get caught by the military with a gun and they shoot and kill you, you get caught by the police with a gun it is life in prison YET there are shootings every day and every night in Jamaica. (Google their homicide rate with guns)

Guess that blows your theory of stricter gun laws out of the water dunnit.

Now listen..............the kid that just shot up Florida had been visited by the police 39 times in the past on various complaints, had brought gun magazines to school with him to show off and was eventually thrown out of school.

IF there was a National data bank that this information would have had it seems it might have thrown up some red flags when he went to buy a gun when they did a background check on him do ya think ?

Plus his social media showed him with all kinds of guns showing them off, plus he was on both anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs.

If all of that information had been shared and put into one central agency no way in hell would he been able to buy a gun.

That is the problem.........lack of sharing of information with different agencies for a comprehensive back ground check.
This NOT about fixing the problem, this is about disarming America !
Did ya hear me that time.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Which are WAY over exaggerated.
Let me give you a good example:
As I said, there has only been ONE real school shooting in America this year but according to the Liberal media I think they said there were nineteen.

One guy who live next to a school shot himself in the leg while taking his gun out of his pocket and the Liberal media called that a school shooting because his private home was within the school zone.

Give me a break.


Then all your posts amount to are merely your personal opinion.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


You just hit the nail on the head kaprys.
President Trump wants to know too.
All these agencies from mental councilors and agencies, to the doctors who prescribe these drugs with possible adverse side effects, the pharmacies that sell these drugs, school teachers who have seen violent behavior, police arrest records, court documents showing aggressive behavior all have to be tied together for a back ground check before anyone should be allowed to purchase or be in possession of a firearm or any other weapon.

This is what President Trump is now trying to coordinate.
AND......I am all in favor of it.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


Wrong again, mentally ill people are not responsible, especially with access to any kind of weapon.


Wrong again, all of these school shooters (only one this year in America) have had prior dealings with mental illness.
Their doctors don't put them on anti depressants and anti anxiety medication because their brain is working normal.
cms, you obviously are a gun control advocate but remember that all gun control advocates have one thing in common.......... 'They hate individual freedom'.

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]


That piece of legislation has it's purpose yet today and don't think it doesn't.
The problem is Atch that the Liberals do not want to face the issue, they want our guns, all of them, that is their goal.

The problem all started back (Bill Clinton ?) when the Liberals said it "violated" the constitutional rights of the mentally ill to incarcerate them.
They claimed that it was inhumane.
The Conservatives (common sense) said, NO, if you turn them out on the streets they will be a threat to themselves as well as society.

We lost and the mental institutions were closed and the people were turned loose.
A lot of them ended up in prison or dead.
ALL these shootings have the same thing in common, The Shooter is connected with mental illness, on anti anxiety or anti depressants that have frightening side effects.

This problem doesn't happen with responsible Law Abiding Gun Owners so why should we be punished to have our Constitutional Rights (God given) taken away because the Liberals do not want to deal with the real issue.

The Liberals do not want to deal with the problem, they want ALL of our guns has become the real issue.
Well it just ain't gonna happen in our life time in America.

Law / Why is Poland importing so much coal? [76]


Poland's coal imports increased by 60% last year by importing over 13 millions tons.
There was a drop in extraction of coal in Poland last year by over a million tons.
Does this increase mean that Poland burned 60% more coal then in 2016 ?
If so why such an increase in one year ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


I know that I myself certainly have been enlightened to what I have been confused with about Jews.
Orthodox Jews are the true Jew to the Jewish faith.
Zionist Jews are riding the shirttail of the Jewish faith for their personal gains and greed.
Not knowing this before I came too the P.F. is where my confusion came from about Jews.
I couldn't understand how some Jews (the Orthodox) could be so mellow and cool and while others (the Zionists) could be so annoying and demanding.

In fact most Zionist Jews don't even practice the Jewish faith.

I personally put the Zionists in the same boat I do with the LGBT's. (Annoying and demanding)
I don't hate them but I don't condone nor will I ever agree to their beliefs either.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Who said it would increase the size of government "programs and workers" since we are totally OFF - Topic here ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

What is your definition of OFF - TOPIC Lyzko ?

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

Nevertheless anything...........quit your Liberal propaganda is the issue here.
You want to open a thread about what happened in Florida do it but don't try to use it for a redirect to confuse the issue here.

I would be MORE THEN HAPPY to debate you on what happened in Florida in Random Chat.
Now maybe for the second time will work like a charm by telling you to get back on topic of the thread here. (doubtful)


Trump is presently working on it and has a very good start.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


I am getting very tired of your daily Liberal propaganda Lyzko.
"Big Government" is a term coined by the democrats yet in essence obama created huge Big Government.
obama has been labeled the "food stamp president" for expanding entitlements, while the size of the federal government has "exploded" under obama.
The U.S. federal workforce rose by 130,000 under President Obama.
President Trump is downsizing the federal government.
Teflon Trump has begun cleaning house in various government agencies.
Now get back on topic and quit being so wreckless with the truth.

News / Polish cleaner claims sexual assault is OK in rural Poland [31]


What church do you go to that makes you think that ?


Here in the U.S.A. quite a few woman carry small handguns in their purses these days which has really leveled the playing field on such crimes.

The "Stand Your Ground Law" gives a woman every right to defend herself with lethal force if she is being sexually assaulted by such perverts.

Times are changing and so have the laws.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


No, shale fracking is not something Poland needs to recover natural gas as many toxic chemicals are used by injecting them into the ground when fracking.

I have seen the yellow sludge that seeps up out of these fracking wells.
When those chemicals eventually seep into your under ground drinking water wells then what ?
Now lets talk about the shifts the layers of earth take (quakes) caused by fracking.


Spot on jon, especially Poland.
Follow the MONEY trail and you will see that the lobbyist pushing for fracking certainly do not represent the people's best interest.
Hopefully soon the Nuclear Energy stigma will soon vanish in Poland like it has the rest of the developed world.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Add France in there also as they support Israel's view of the law.


I was wondering that too.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]

How convenient for an opportunist.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Your immediate "kin" lived in Scotland so you use the word "kin" very loosely here.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Really ? When will my kin/father get compensated for getting shot up and two years out of his life for his contributions to end the Holocaust ?

History / 'Defamation': The Anti-Semism Industry & Poland [188]


Yeah I remember that one, Defamation.
Featuring Israeli teenagers on tourist trips to Auschwitz and how they are lied to and denied contact with Polish people for the purpose of perpetuating hatred.

Has anyone else seen it ?

Andrzej Zybertowicz, a Nicolaus Copernicus University sociology professor, called Israel's opposition to the new law "anti-Polish," reported the Associated Press.
The presidential adviser said it shows Israel "clearly fighting to keep the monopoly on the Holocaust."
I see that America and France have joined Israel in Israel's opposition to the new Polish law.

Study / British School of Warsaw in Wilanow [73]

Thank you delph as you seldom agree with me.


Well actually it has taken about a half century because of liberal minded people and getting worse by the day.
Political Correctness, no morals, safe rooms, non gender, Snowflakes, men using women's bathrooms, some mothers having penis's...........
Society has already collapsed for the public delph because of the liberal minded people.
This is why the OP is leaving liberal minded U.K. and raising his kids in conservative Poland.

Study / British School of Warsaw in Wilanow [73]


Would it help if I told you that school instructors are predominately Liberals.
And it is no secret that Liberals think they are always right and never wrong.
I have heard from my Polish friends that attend Universities in Poland that you never attempt to question an instructor if you want a good grade.

News / Israel opposing potential new Polish law to criminalise term 'Polish death camps' [1539]


Do ya think !
Yesterday they had a big anti - Poland protest in Israel claiming "the Polish law spits in the Israeli people's face".
Israel Holocaust survivors storm Polish embassy to oppose new law.

upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/02/08/Israel-Holocaust-survivors-storm-Polish-embassy-to-oppose-new-law/6921518106700

I will reserve my opinion at the moment.

Study / British School of Warsaw in Wilanow [73]


You just described 95% of liberal educational instructors in any civilized country at all levels.