Ironside
18 Aug 2016
Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]
So, if you cannot trust your fellow countrymen to carry guns abound. Why would you entrust them with the right to vote. That has much more direct impact on your life than some irresponsible or criminal dumbass caring a gun.
Maybe there should be selected and trusted group of people that not only would have the right to carry guns around but would also be the only ones with the right to vote.
Hey if you're elitist - I can understand your point of view. Otherwise not so much.
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That correlation is not proven. It is only an estimation. There're other countries than USA with guns at homes and without so many gun crimes.
Even if you were right. Lets assume that for a sake of discussion. Why would you penalize law abiding citizens for some what might happen or for some crime that would have been committed with a gun instead than with a knife?
Why one man misdeeds should negatively reflect on my rights, on my freedom, on my choices? Where is justice in that?>
After all I would rather have a gun to defend myself and my family than became victim of a crime. That someone somewhere would use surplus of arms in a country to break the law and commit a crime - that is not a sufficient excuse to curb my freedom. I have nothing to do with it.
IF we take your assumption that all citizens freedom should be sacrificed on the altar of a greater good. Let bring your logic to its natural conclusion. Institution of marriage is beneficial for a society, open relationships, single mothers, gay 'marriages' - not so much. They are creating inequalities, disturbance and lack of stability in a society and generally tends to brings standards down.
All that is allowed by the state in the name of freedom and personal choice. Why make an exception for guns? Either we sacrifice all freedoms for a great good or not!
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Kids are killed due to all kinds accident. People die in traffic accidents. Why not ban all cars and introduce a public transport that would be statistically safer.
No consistency here. People are ready to make all kind of allowances and excuses for cars. Yet they refuse to do the same for guns. Actually there is more people that die in car accidents than to guns. Significantly higher if we remove all that ghetto, gang related shootings.
It tells me that is not about victims or number of victims. Its about victims of shootings. So it burn down to anti-gun prejudices, fear or a fact that such a people don't believe in self-defense.
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Statistically it is not true.
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It is the people carrying those guns that are the problem.
So, if you cannot trust your fellow countrymen to carry guns abound. Why would you entrust them with the right to vote. That has much more direct impact on your life than some irresponsible or criminal dumbass caring a gun.
Maybe there should be selected and trusted group of people that not only would have the right to carry guns around but would also be the only ones with the right to vote.
Hey if you're elitist - I can understand your point of view. Otherwise not so much.
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If they were freely available, there is no doubt in my mind that you would see gun related deaths occurring and an increase in crime. Why would any country want that?
That correlation is not proven. It is only an estimation. There're other countries than USA with guns at homes and without so many gun crimes.
Even if you were right. Lets assume that for a sake of discussion. Why would you penalize law abiding citizens for some what might happen or for some crime that would have been committed with a gun instead than with a knife?
Why one man misdeeds should negatively reflect on my rights, on my freedom, on my choices? Where is justice in that?>
After all I would rather have a gun to defend myself and my family than became victim of a crime. That someone somewhere would use surplus of arms in a country to break the law and commit a crime - that is not a sufficient excuse to curb my freedom. I have nothing to do with it.
IF we take your assumption that all citizens freedom should be sacrificed on the altar of a greater good. Let bring your logic to its natural conclusion. Institution of marriage is beneficial for a society, open relationships, single mothers, gay 'marriages' - not so much. They are creating inequalities, disturbance and lack of stability in a society and generally tends to brings standards down.
All that is allowed by the state in the name of freedom and personal choice. Why make an exception for guns? Either we sacrifice all freedoms for a great good or not!
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What no-one has also mentioned so far, is accidental shootings. Kids are killed every year
Kids are killed due to all kinds accident. People die in traffic accidents. Why not ban all cars and introduce a public transport that would be statistically safer.
No consistency here. People are ready to make all kind of allowances and excuses for cars. Yet they refuse to do the same for guns. Actually there is more people that die in car accidents than to guns. Significantly higher if we remove all that ghetto, gang related shootings.
It tells me that is not about victims or number of victims. Its about victims of shootings. So it burn down to anti-gun prejudices, fear or a fact that such a people don't believe in self-defense.
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The Police and Army are the people who are there to defend the country, not a bunch of trigger happy citizens.
Statistically it is not true.
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