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Posts by Lyzko  

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Lyzko   
13 Apr 2017
UK, Ireland / What can I say/do about my Polish neighbours in the UK? [65]

I do agree about the Italians especially, both in Italy and abroad:-) I was last in the UK during the '90s and perhaps only a coincidence, but during a guided tour of the BM (British Museum), a youngish, teenage Italian girl on the tour was asking questions to the docent and her voice projection was so almost piercingly loud (not to mention grating due no doubt to being a chain smoker) we scarcely could hear the docent when she was speaking!

Finally, the tour was over, but my ears were still ringing for a good half hour after.

I think that it's a question in this case of the enunciation in a particular language. Italian, more certainly than English, German, Spanish or Polish, is a carefully pronounced language in which it seems every individual letter counts (except perhaps for consonant clusters such as "gl" in "gli" etc.). Therefore, perhaps Italian speakers, both male and female, tend to sound "louder" in even normal speech than speakers from other language groups.

As far though as the main thread question is concerned, among the many factors to consider would be the issue of personal space, not merely voice volume, in other countries compared to the UK. As England especially is a much smaller surface area than Poland, Turkey, Germany, Russia and the US, English people are more conscious of that space and tend not to appreciate people standing to close to them, even if they're whispering:-)

Only my two pence worth.
Lyzko   
12 Apr 2017
UK, Ireland / What can I say/do about my Polish neighbours in the UK? [65]

"Greenhorns" nearly anywhere abroad, are bound to bring many of their foreign ways to bear on the host culture! Surely no culture has a monopoly either on dirtiness, cleanliness, loudness, quietness etc., therefore, the behaviors of non-native neighbors inside a majority society must be weighed within the scope of relative consideration.

Whereas in a number of the Scandinavian countries, it is felt to be uncouth as well as annoying, to have people congregating in the street, speaking at the top of their lungs in a foreign tongue, even in English, for that matter:-) On the other hand, in many Arab-speaking countries, this is a most normal, everyday occurrence, barely worthy of comment, certainly not complaint.

My advice to try tolerance in the case of noisy foreign neighbors, and if all else fails, possibly type an anonymous note stating the nature of the complaint, firmly yet friendly, and simply tape it in the lift for everyone to see.

The"offender" just may take notice and voila, problem solved:-)
Lyzko   
2 Apr 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

Completely correct, Maf, which is why these two words give Hungarians such reason to guffaw so when foreigners such as we attempt to utter their "intractable" tongueLOL
Lyzko   
1 Apr 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

.....which is because the toast phrase is written "Egeszegere!":-)

Nothing makes Hungarians laugh more than this deadly false friend, similar to entertainment for the Danes is listening to unsuspecting foreign visitors asking about "Koege" on a map of Denmark, or ordering "Roedgroede med floede" in a restaurant. Cracks 'em up every time!
Lyzko   
1 Apr 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Yes, I agree to an extent. I think that Anglo-Saxon culture typically tries to shy away from confrontation.

On the other hand, there are plenty of belligerent Brits as there are taciturn, retiring Israelis (...although I've never met anyLOL)!
:-)

Poles often come across as opinionated, yet not doctrinaire, involved, while at the same time, self-assured.
Lyzko   
1 Apr 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Polish people I've found on the whole to be forthright and often unusually candid with their emotions, as I've stated before. This is neither positive nor negative, merely an objective observation culled over many years:-)
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

Tricky pronunciation for Hungarian speakers particularly, conversely for Poles, is the "SZ" vs. "S" issue. A Pole instinctively says "SHeged" rather than "Sseged" ("Szeged") and "Ssandor" (Sandor) instead of "SHandor" etc..

Czech and Slovak also have long or closed vowels, where modern Polish only has open or short ones.
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

In Polish, the "g" appears in words like "głodny", "gołąb" etc.. which, for example in Czech might be written/spoken "holodny" and "holub".
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

My sense is that the English especially (compared maybe with the Welsh, Scots, and Irish) are only superficially polite, like the Americans, but the Poles really mean it when they are polite!

The Viennese for instance, still rattle off "Kiss the lady's hand!" as a kind of perfunctory greeting at fancy social events aka annual The New Year's Ball at the Wiener Oper. But they don't mean it.

When Poles say "Całuję Pani rączki!", they mean it. In short, the Poles are generally more sincere and honest than a majority of the English:-)
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

A Ukrainian speaker once asked me how to say "govorit" in Polish, to which I replied "mówić". "Oh, but M - O - V - I - T in my language sounds like really old-fashioned book language!", she said smiling broadly. "We might understand, but nobody says it.", she added.
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

Isn't that the truth??

Thing about related languages often is that one of the languages will sound like an "older" aka vestigial version of the other. Ukrainian tends to sound like "older Polish", so I'm told, or another example would be Romanian to a modern Italian speaker sounds almost ancient etc...

In some languages like Turkish, the more "native"/Turkic the speech, the more everyday sounding. Add Arabic loan equivalents from centuries past, though still extant, the language will tend to sound highbrow and above the ken of most commoners:-)

Is English really so different? If I want to communicate with the rank-and-file illierati, I'm not going to say "Masticate your victuals in succession!", a comical phrase full of Latin and Greek, instead, I'd say "Chew your food many times!", using good old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon for folks to understand!

lol
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Language / How well do Polish people understand Slovak? [88]

Though I don't know any Slovak, I've been following this entire thread with some interest!

Any list out there of "false friends" between Polish and Slovak? I know about Czech, "szukać" vs. Polish "szukać" etc. Curious though as to whether there's a rough equivalent group between Slovak and Polish.

:-)
Lyzko   
31 Mar 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Copenhagen must win for politeness!

When first visiting in the mid '80's, a passenger on a regular city bus apparently dropped his fare money and it rolled onto the street.

Without the slightest hesitation, the bus driver exited the vehicle, went to fetch the money, returned it to the rider, and we were off again:-)

Impossible to imagine anywhere else in Europe.
Lyzko   
30 Mar 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

If voice is a factor, then the Italians ought to take first prize for aggressive-sounding discourse!

Once in Florence, I was with a native Italian acquaintance of mine at the time. I observed two people in such spirited conversation with one another, I thought one was going to kill the other:-) My friend saw my puzzled look and said in fairly fluent British-accented English, "Oh, don't mind them! He just invited the other one to supper, but she couldn't come, so they arranged another day, that's all!"

Raised volume and pitch need not always indicate anger:-)
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

Romanians may have had much less contact with the West than most Poles, therefore they aren't as jaded or cynical and can still enjoy the naive pleasure of just being friendly and warm.
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [669]

It shouldn't have blown your mind that much, after all, Gothic hegemony extended way beyond the borders of continental Europe:-)
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [669]

Correct as well, Bobko!

Did you also know that the long extinct Gothic tongue was still spoken in isolation in the Crimean Peninsula as late as the late 18th century?
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [669]

?? Actually, more the reverse, not to even begin to mention the vast influences in vocabulary in Hungarian, Romanian, and Albanian from Greek and Turkish!
Small wonder however; Greece and much of Eastern Europe (including Austria) was occupied by the Turks for some time until King Jan Sobieski drove them out of Europe:-))
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [669]

Well, in the latter, the word for "yes" is "Da", the word for "time" (??) is of Slavic origin, I think. Honestly, I can't provide immediate example, copious though as they are. Take my word by consulting any source, on line, off line, bottom line (LOL) and you'll find plenty of 'em, rest assured!
Lyzko   
29 Mar 2017
News / Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations [669]

Nor are Romanians or Albanians, yet there has been a considerable overlay of Slavic in their respective languages, particularly Romanian:-)
Lyzko   
27 Mar 2017
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Quit projecting, Ironside! You only keep making yourself look stupid:-)

Jew-friendly country in Europe?? I think Vienna would take the prize there. I should know; I lived there for a while in the '90's and found the Jewish presence quite open!
Lyzko   
27 Mar 2017
Genealogy / Jewish Roots of Poland [638]

Of course it's not, Gregy!

Many hostile to a continued Jewish presence in Poland, such as certain adherents of the PiS etc., however consider it such, I'm sorry to say.