History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


I disagree. The rise and popularity of Hitler had nothing to do with a lack of democracy or a hidden "fascist gene" of the Germans. It had all to do with Versailles and the Great Depression. That he was able to grab power was simply a loophole in the system. Starting with him becoming a citizen of the Reich (and thus being able to run for public office) only with the help of some fascist friends, and later being appointed chancellor by Hindenburg only due to the weakness of the democratic and the communist parties in the Reichstag.


You are painting modern day Germany with 82 year old brush strokes, and that's where I have a problem. Not because it's Germany, but because I believe that generalizing in such a manner is one of the root causes for xenophobia in the world. The original question whom Polish people dislike more is an example for that.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


I'm not playing that game, Lyzko. My point is simply that I consider any attempt to paint the people of a whole nation as inherently fascist or anti-Semitic as pure BS. Be it Germany, Poland or any other country.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]

LOL! Now I finally understand why GWB was so eager to invade... :)

Back to the topic

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


Yeah, and I know, too ... :)


There is no collective guilt. Otherwise we would all be walking around hanging our heads in shame. And there is no inherent anti-semitism or superiority complex in anyone, either.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


Speaking of oozing: "You're either for us, or against us" ... rings a bell? Freedom Fries, anyone? :)

The US is currently the dominating world power, and as such a target for hate, jealousy, criticism and mistrust. Germany is currently the dominating power in Europe and as such treated with the same set of hostilities. That's a normal reaction. Your implication that this has in any way to do with the Nazi ideology (or its origins) is simply ridiculous. Were the Americans Nazis as well in their past, or why were they showing the attitude I mentioned above?

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


Exactly the reason why I said the PISA study isn't worth much. You cannot seriously compare and rank school systems without taking the problems into account that most western countries are facing these days. To give an example from the US: schools in affluent school districts in the burbs fare much better than those in downtown neighborhoods in larger cities. Make an inner city school part of the PISA study, and it draws down your results significantly.


I agree.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


"Nonsense" was referring to the PISA study, not to you... :)


You talk about loss of quality without asking for the reasons? Seriously?

I've said it before in another thread: the PISA study is not worth the paper it's written on. There are so many factors that influence the outcome, so many different political interests involved, that I have lost all faith in studies like that. They are simply looking for reasons to mess with the various school systems yet again, and the ones who are paying the price are our kids. F*uck PISA, really. Instead of wasting the money for useless tests, I'd rather have them invest in our schools.


Those "facts" are manipulated, and you know that.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


Please, not that nonsense again. You know very well that Germany's ranking was/is lowered significantly by the large number of immigrant kids and refugees that were/are flooding the public school system. The "Spiegel" magazine even reported that states with a socialist SPD/Green government (like Bremen, Berlin and Brandenburg for example) had fared much worse than those with a conservative CDU/CSU majority. If Bavaria or Saxony would have been independent countries, they would have ranked way above the #1, Finland. The state governments of course insisted that from that year on, statistics about the results of the states wouldn't be published anymore and that only the overall ranking of Germany would be made publicly available. Guess why. On top of that, certain countries prepare their schools specifically for the PISA study. In short: that study is almost worthless.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


From 1933 on maybe, and many of their ancestors have most likely changed their negative view of Germany by now. How about the Jewish community in NYC and Florida? Do you know?


True. Even today it's advisable to write to the Polish state archives in German rather than in English. Learning German still makes sense these days given the fact that Europe's strongest economy is right next door, and to find a decent job there German language skills are a must.

History / Do Polish people in general dislike Russia or Germany more? [369]


I very much doubt that.


Some do, most don't.

Travel / Poland or Philippines? Which is better for a vacation? (sex tourism) [39]

Sex tourism is absolutely digusting. These guys are simply too stingy to spend 50 bucks on a hooker or too afraid to visit a swinger club at home.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Some German and Polish (!) feminist groups drop pills on Poland, and the chairman of the Polish Association for the Protection of Human Life has nothing better to do than mentioning the Nazis and the war? What an idiot. Pure propaganda BS.

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [309]


Not quite. In this case, you would either have to use "Sags ihr nicht" (horribly sounding direct translation: tell it her not) or "Erzähl ihr das nicht" (don't tell her that). "Sag ihr nicht" cannot stand alone. You'll have to add/explain what she's not supposed to hear, such as "Sag ihr nicht, dass sie versagt hat." (Don't tell her that she has failed).

News / Polish parliament refuses to consider shack-up draft between both traditional and same-sex couples [96]

Let's take your state, Johnny. In South Carolina, minors under 16 can obtain a court ordered marriage licence.

Quote:
"Younger minors can get a marriage license when the girl is pregnant or had a child with the man she's trying to marry."

statelaws.findlaw.com/south-carolina-law/south-carolina-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html

California is even "better". No minimum age limit with parental consent.

statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-marriage-age-requirements-laws.html

Can't believe that's true (for both states and others), but it certainly looks like.

This thread is going off-topic, next posts not connected with Poland will be binned

News / Polish parliament refuses to consider shack-up draft between both traditional and same-sex couples [96]


I thought that females are allowed to marry from age 16 on, and only with judicial approval. Can the RCC actually override Polish laws?

Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [309]


Because the Brits had an Empire and the Americans won the war?

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Try one of these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr%C3%B3w

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]

You forgot that Poland was partitioned for a long time. Huguenots migrated from Brandenburg to West Prussia for example. I have one of them in my family tree.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


Could as well be descendants of Huguenots who settled in Brandenburg, Prussia, from 1685 on.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Silesia was part of the Kingdom of Prussia before the formation of the German Empire...

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Does that mean that (using your words) "any separation from" the German Empire "must be considered as illegal, juridically null and void." as well?

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Then why did the ethnic Polish population participate in the plebiscite in the first place? See if we win that thing and everything's perfect, and if it doesn't go according to plan let's revolt?

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

What I meant is something else, Crow. A plebiscite is generally a good way to solve problems, but you'll need guarantees that the "losing" side honors the outcome. In this case the result was practically overridden by the meddling of the British and French - due to the protest of a minority that did not accept the popular vote.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Nonsense. It was the meddling of France and the UK in this and similar cases (Gdansk/Danzig and Alsace-Lorraine for example) that was the root cause for WW2 and the death of tens of millions of people.

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Silesia_plebiscite#The_plebiscite

Quote:
"There were 1,186,758 votes cast in an area inhabited by 2,073,663 people.[7] It resulted in 717,122 votes being cast for Germany and 483,514 for Poland."

Questions?

Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]


Good old commie propaganda. And I thought there were no Polish communists... :)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


You have no clue how things work on PF, my friend. There are already a few of these guys on this thread who have filed you under German = Nazi, in case you haven't noticed. And they are not Poles.

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


I'm sure a few more of our usual suspects will show up here very soon to tell you that you are a Volksdeutscher and not even remotely Polish... :)

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


Depends on how long they plan to stay away. If 41% of the young people (on top of those that have already left!) consider to leave home and wouldn't return for a decade or so, then Poland will be in deep trouble unless they can fill the vacant spots with trained people from somewhere else. A shrinking population (due to low birth rates and emigration) is not the best foundation for future economic growth.

History / Poles should emulate Jews? [153]


Makes sense in a way, but we shouldn't forget that the 41% are on top of the millions that left Poland in the (relatively) recent past already. Wonder if that is going to bite Poland one day. Economic success needs people to feed it.