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Unfortunately for you people in Poland love it! They don't want no more PO, or what not, they are done and spend as force in Poland.

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That would be a good thing too.

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Hmm those people you talking about surly make a lot of splash but they are supported by a tiny percentage of the society in Poland and that is something you are overlooking in your siding with minority who is supported mostly by foreigners and very few Poles.

All those judges should be fired and new people should be appointed in their stead.

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How about you shut your pie hole? Talking disported reality and arguing that the water is dry 'arry? When anybody with a two brain cells together can see that TK is at fault and is taking side in a political strife.

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Well, if you're afraid of becoming a victim of a pogrom in Poland you should leave immediately.

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De gustibus et coloribus non est disputandum.


What is the Hitler salutes? They are ordering some refreshments - coffee for me, and me!


Hmm.. given a fact that at the time Poland was under rule of an authoritarian government which came to power after a coup, your reasoning on a shaky ground here.

The same goes for that right wing label. That coup in 1926 had been supported by Socialist, Communists, all kinds of left wing entities plus by minorities (including Jews). The only people who would call that government a right wing were Bolsheviks at the time (to whom all parties were right wing except for themselves) and ideologically biased people today who have no clue.

It wasn't doggy, it was student/young people organization. Rmemebr that there were two organization called ONR, ONR (proper) and ONR - phalange. Obviously present day ONR looks for inspiration to traditions of ONR (proper).


You must have a very queer view about Sancja. As to today there is noting that would make them unacceptable as far as I know.


According to Soviet propaganda not to facts.


Yes, young people in Poland are catching up to their traditions and that is a good thing.


I hope that those kids are really kids that is they are underage, Otherwise I see a court case brewing


You kinda bring forth some argument but those are pseudo arguments. There is nothing new, nothing that their predecessors haven't done with abundance, somehow you were very quiet then. So forgive me but there is that funny thing while I'm reading your posts I hear nothing but squalling of a pig that lost her easy feed.

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Geez, Maciarewicz is an old school leftist, ONR has nothing to do with him. Majority of them are a very sensible young people and have nothing to do with fascism. Those are facts. What you are saying is just ideologically biased spin.

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Hail Maciarewicz! :D
that make my day!
just imagine .....:D

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-academic
that academician who should be kicked out of the uni after 1989 together with all bunch of folks that are pretending to be liberals now and when the time was nigh they were just humble servants of the totalitarian regime! - bloody scum.

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Tweedy, Poland is following Europe's example after all. Moment - don't make me laugh in Germany alone 290 people were killed due to real racism in years 1990- 2014. Trump that kmiocie.

Slandering a political party for that is just something that can be expected, not that here is any basis for it.

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If they don' depend on Government for money at all than we have an issue here, if on the other hand they do - no issue.


Expert investigators? Somehow I doubt it. Also as far as I know they rather hire experts, as they have a day job.

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Horse owners could be mistaken you know. That is all just not enough evidence if any to support your and their claims. That should be investigated properly not used in a propaganda war. .


Those are general questions - ask me specifics and I'll answer.

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and the EU.


Nah, they are walking misunderstanding themselves.


you are missing something here, the first horse dead occurred while that highly experienced Boss had been firmly in charge, so change in management evidently has little to do with those dying horses.


Nah, that is not a Polish historical perspective that is soviet BS.

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Do you really want to talk about fact and unadorned reality rather than biased anti-PiS propaganda? They are in charge and if you want to make an omelet you need first to break an egg. They have been elected amongst widely supported clamor for changes, to do something means to break status quo and that what they are doing - they have democratic mandate to do so, they enjoy popular support regardless of the noises that minority is producing. (by the way that minority is supported financially by the foreign players)

Do they make mistakes, faux pas, blunders? - sure they do but at least they do something that is more that can be said about PO.

Now, this issue with horses is just a propaganda item - a pure and simple no two ways about it. There is problem but PiS is responsible for that in the way they are responsible for a weather. Horses stared dying before ~PiS even won the last election.

Hey but you know all that, you just chose to use it in your propaganda war against people you see as your ideological enemies - that clear, you are not a bystander or an objective observer but you are a person that is deeply involved in the conflict.


First of they can peace off, they can hardly have legs to stand on this issue having chopped all their virgin forest for greed they have no ground to dictate to others what to do with their forest.

Having said that I think that they chopping some woods in order to save that forests from some kind of pestilence :) or whatnot. Whether or not that is a good decision or a wise decision I cannot tell as I have no idea and neither do you.


Here I agree with them. High time that Polish museums were passing Polish historical narrative and perspective. It is only fair and while you are talking a lot of things you should remember that Jewish's Museums in Warsaw that tell the story from a very narrow and biased perspective had been build (and maintained) mainly from the Polish taxpayers money have been build thanks to one of those twins you are accusing of fascism and totalitarian leanings.

You make no sense but that what an extreme ideology does to people.

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Right.....?, they killed all those horses in order to make sausages from their meat! They are Chopping down a virgin forest to use that wood to fry those sausages. They will eat them laughing fiendishly while on their midnight secret feast out in the fields dancing around a fire, feasting, carousing etc..

Additionally they burn in those fires effigies of foreigners, Jews, gays and for a good measure jon's.

Now wake up and drink a glass of cold water.

By the way you are off-topic here you should write about your dream in the thread - jon's nightmares and visions.

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You assume that I care at all what you think about me, or if you laugh, slap yourself silly or otherwise. I see that your priggish attitude and arrogance installed by your school never left you. Your are one of the stupidest people on PF although it was a close run with smurf. Why would I care about your opinion at all silly?


The crux of the matter is a failure to investigate properly that crash by the Polish state. That were criminal negligence occurred and it can be blamed solely on Tusk and his PO government.

You as usual are missing the point by the mile and just rumble on your favourite subject - your ideological sympathies and antipathies. Dry up!


Due to that party victory in the last election and due to the prevailing practices in Poland that have not started nor end with PiS.

Could you answer my question now? What have you done to these poor horses. What such a lovely animal ever done to you? Poor horsy.

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What did you do to her horses? Harry you are a monster.

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I have no idea what he said. I don't think that overtly matters.


Glad you told me and we have cleared that misunderstanding. Because I was certain that you talking some bull. Is your critique pertain also to the people who every phrase of concern for the Polish national interest, talk about problems that need to be addressed, or about need for defence of Poland's interests and values see as a proof that they are Putin's incarnate, nationalists and whatnot? They must be being convicted that the doom is approaching?


You are obsessed. We are talking about Poland.
All the rest of that chit chat I just skipped. Has somebody hacked Paulina's account?
There were some rare BS in this claptrap.


No, they are not.


That was a compliment.


You are comparing nothing! Without proper research technique and methodology you are comparing hot air and then you are adding some hot air of your own.


What the hell? That is an internal Polish affair and sanctions on Russia were introduced for the annexation of Crimea if I recall correctly.


What? Such constitutional struggles are nothing unusual, usually there is some consensus between all forces not to make a drama out of it with many participants in the interest if the state.


Jesus wept.


What? Nah, I pass, you write all you want, just don't mention my moniker.

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Whoosh! What a bunch of gossiping washerwomen I spy with my eye on this beautiful afternoon? My aren't you a little busy bodies - hey I got an idea for you start your own Louella Parson's gossip column? Call it JMHD's hot news page and there you go.

:)

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So what are you talking about then? You are mocking people who claim that it matters who owns what, asking questions, learning about facts or talk turkey?


Well, they are protesting against PiS winning democratic election hence immediately after that fact KODs sprigged out. Banners with slogans change in time from protesting against government not displaying the EU flags on one occasion to all issues that pertains to Tribunal, in meantime all acts and bills that government introduced to defence of Lech Walesa even though government has nothing to do with the new documents that came to light.

To sum it all any and each pretext is good to attack the government for the one reason only - them being PiS.
So, will you came clean and admit that or you are going to lie about your reasons for your stance? Remember that I have your posts above and I can expose any lies in no time at all.


See that probably because I have never pictured you as being stupid. Head strong - yes, stubborn - sure, leftie - often, stupid - nah such a thought has never crossed my mind until now.


Not exactly the same surely. For one they must been expressed in different languages. Seriously though don't you kids learn nothing nowadays? How about contexts, additional circumstances and reality on the ground.

You mean to say that you take words and compare them with words. Are you for real? Are you sure that logic and logo are not the same in your mind?

Do I really need to humiliate you further by proving to you that what you say here is just a pure nonsense? Do you want me to?


Yes millions of people in different cultures and countries with different values and languages, of different gender, age, education, experiences and abilities are all the same mentality. Why? Cause you say so. Aren't you striving to be modest you genius you?

What was your population sample and what methods did you employ while conducting your research?


So what? What wrong with that? Do you think that judge should be above the law?


Is that suppose to be some kind of an argument? If so you have failed. How the fact that weakness and conflicts inside of the same country might and are being exploit for the benefit of other parties pertain to your remark?

Are you saying that is not true?


Until you learn the difference between logic and a logo you wont be able to do that.


Don't be dumber than you have to be. If you don't see difference I won't help you.


Opposition has a certain rights and duties if they fail to fulfil those they are not longer acting as an opposition by as so called opposition for the lack of a better expression.


Sure, a big benevolent state that is like a big brother or a sister to you and were only saints and angels are working and worrying night and day in what way to help poor Poland. Sure plenty of laws that says it is not their business.

You have no clue do you? gees.

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They are bringing a climate of change into a stale, inefficient and corrupted state.


Bah, that emotions were talking and I stressed that. Anyhow many from those people deserve to be shot after due process. No, not because their are protesting, but because what they done in the past(not all protesters) . That justice


You can be influenced or misinformed like anyone including me. Russia and Poland have different cultures, so different that I say they belong to different civilisations and what happens in Russia doesn't necessary needs to happen in Poland - that simple enough.


Only in your mind.


Drama and some more of a drama. Stop looking at Russia look at Poland and learn about facts.


I'm not aware of the instances that PiS was slandering Polish government. If they attempted to talk about Smolensk (I'm guessing) then because it was obviously a major failure of the Polish government and all the world could see it.

That failure to investigate properly Smolensk lowered position of Poland significantly.


I know but you belong to majority of Poles who don't understand politicks and who don't understand of so called west. Also you are often misinformed.

In fact most Poles feels more than think. Those who think do so in such weird categories when in comes to politicks that it renders their thinking void.


Go ahead. :_) I'm looking forward to it but use some real arguments. Compering Poland to Russia really doesn't cut it.


If you are right I say so if you are wrong I have no calms to say it. Simple.


What is to like? If he really said what is implied then I disagree with him. I think that society in Poland should be rebuild around Dmowski's idea and I'm all for a grass root movement rather that around parties or a leader..

However his words were misinterpreted and misrepresented so often that I wouldn't take a word of any journalist for it.

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Time you consider that concept seriously instead of making fun of it.


I think you know too much and at the same too little about Russia for that to do you any good. Comparing Poland and Russia? Russia never had any democracy and all that patients and they don't understand that concept.


I guess maybe because you are clueless? Feelings and similarly sounding expressions doesn't automatically translate into sameness of the issues. Comprende?


Just you wait, they will help you to become yokels of the German empire.


I see calling for the foreign intervention into Poland's internal affairs you are just one of those people who doesn't deserve to be called a citizen. I'm deeply disappointed - expected better from you.

Enough I can't stomach more of your mindless drivel. You are talking utter tripe woman. Wake up and smell the coffee beans

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I say that absolutely doesn't describe me unless you are like one of those fanatics on the Polish political forums with their ass deep in their own backside to whom sombody who doesn't hate PiS and Kaczynski is automatically labelled as a PiS- supporter and an enemy.


Bah! Aren't we being dramatic a tad too much or just repeating BS from biased papers seeded there to stir emotions of the people?


Well, there are a lot of significant differences that seem to be escaping your attention. Anyhow you are comparing apples and oranges here.
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The fact is that if significant par of the establishment in Poland, including political parties are slandering Polish government in the eyes of the foreign powers in this way their are endangering stability and Polish national interests.

That is clear to all people who know what what.


That would make a good carpenter but political savvy she isn't.


A lot of mush mash here.
There are some behind the curtain struggles and that is a fact. Including other undeniable fact that 80% of the press in Poland is in Axel springer hands - a one of the four huge German corporation which are working hand in hand. What says you?


Let them protest and march as much as they want. Fact is there no coherent idea behind it all save for a denial that PiS has won a democratic election and that is what probably is annoying people.


Sorry that is a very biased or a very ill informed sentence.


Where have you noticed here? Different opinions are seen as high mark of free and democratic society and freedom of speech is another - should people have no right to freely speak their mind about KOD opinions and such?

It seem to be you cannot get your head around that concept and just because you side with the so called opposition and hence you take all critical voices as a sign of an oppression by the autocratic government. That is a pure BS. Has sombody been arrested or has been one of many KOD's march attacked?

Had the leaders being locked up their freedom of expression or their lives in danger? No and no and there is some more NO!
So what are you talking about? About your feelings? Are you offended that some people who have absolutely no afflation not only to the government but to any political party? Just because they express their unfavourable views on KOD?

Grow up and apply in practise what you preach i.e. democracy and tolerance will you?
I think that so called opposition is just a retarded constipating blast that need to go for Poland to progress and succeed. I'm entitled to my opinion and if you equate my opinion with actions, words and deeds of the Putin regime is simply nothing more but a childish hysteria.


Really? Care to provide a quote or at least tell us what is this 'something' that I allegedly have said rather than spread wild rumors and gossip like washerwomen?

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let's be realistic here 8 000 - maybe.


Why don't they suck on it - twiglets.


That would be a lie. the VC found no merit in all the circumstances including TK and PO steps but it is not up for them to solve it, so in fact it is completely immaterial what they do or don't.

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Wrong. Such a classic feminist slogan that makes even less sense than feminism itself. I really expected better from you than repeating such a cliché that might appeal to some brainless fools.

If men could get pregnant they would become females of the species with all that such a position brings to the table.

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That is not difficult - all so called liberal western nation learned by hearth the right answer and the fact they actually are as racist, xenophobic and prejudiced as any given nation is but a detail.

Here an expected winning answer - a Black Muslim Roma (nice trap here Gypsy ha!) to top it all - a gay.
Thank you, thank you .....

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A very good point Atch. I think that such a chance should be decided in referendum in ten years time.


Yes, typical fallacy not an argument.


You are a sick in the head person whose every post contain a lie.BS.


Bollocks. Sex education in schools had been there for decades.


No you are playing on stereotypes and I'm sure you would be first to pretest if stereotypes you dislike were used against what you argue for. If you are talking about PF then I must add that PF doesn't reflect a real life realities or Am I stating the obvious?


No, is anything but ... as you frequently miss the point being a girl that is a one brick short of the full load you have no chance in hell to grasp what it is all about.


A what? Mr No-sparks contracting again. What exactly are those women's rights?

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So, if you cannot afford a nice car they will try robbery or whatnot? Yes, they do have a problem.


Pretty much like having a cat. Although if you have a person in your life that affect your life and you don't like it you wouldn't just casually kill that person dead, or would you?


In this time and place if someone is not educated about something then it is his/her own damn fault.


Well, the answer to that would be of course - don't take chances if you are not prepared to face the consequences. Who wants a nanny sate and a big brother watching over your shoulder? Not somebody I would respect.


They live and die by the choices they have made. How many criminal die due to their criminal activity? - should those activities be decriminalized to save lives of few goons?

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I take it back. It is so called citizen initiative - meaning it was no less that 100 000 people that asked parliament to vote over this law.

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It is for me. I'm not talking about legislation because it is relatively simple matter to resolve. It is up for Sejm to sort it out.


Well, they what democracy supposed to be about - majority impose their views on others. The crux of the matter is how far legislation can go to impose and regulate moral/ethical rules on all and what should be left to individuals which would allowed them to make their own choices.

I think that the current regulation is well balanced in this regard. There are other ways that need and could be addressed to minimalize percentage of women undergoing abortions - informative action is a one of many avenues a wise government could explore.

I think that both bishops and especially PiS top echelons haven't exercised here what I call a good old prudence and wisdom while dealing with complex issues.

Anyway we'll see what gonna happen.


That is not an argument at all. It is as if you argue that prohibition is a bad thing because more people will be dirking alcohol from shady sources and more of them will die as a result. They make their own choices and know or should know risks involved. If they rather drink ...well.

Or people speeding and dying regardless of speed limit - are speed limits to blame?