Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Boasting Zimmy, boasting that you have bettered me or others in debate. You must be the only self proclaimed alpha male that needs to boast. Zim you have never bettered any one on this site in debate as you don't have an original idea but you can cut and paste.

You inhabit a world of crank sites often posting links to them here. One of the sites you linked to claimed that Canada was governed by an Acorn worshiping cult (I thought it was the pineapple crowd but they are bat **** crazy not like the acorn people) when I challenged you on this you claimed that there was good info on those sites.

Yes Europeans are safe compared to those in the US.


When the psychos are no longer reported as quiet unassuming people who would never hurt a fly followed by the phrase who would have guessed they were capable of that.....perhaps I'll change my mind.

Zim the long and short is that your crazy world view has been rejected by Europe it has been rejected by the majority of the people in the US and every other place it has been tested.

Europe is not going to adopt a crazy cowboy myth of gunslingers and lone heroes.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


There is no call for widespread gun ownership and associated slaughter in Europe.

The laws we have are just fine that's why Europeans are safe. If the laws are to be relaxed to allow people access to guns who don't really need them major restrictions will still be in place to ensure public safety.

There is no cowboy myth in Europe guiding social and political policy but primarily used to sell stuff....


Source. Its a good read
guardian/books/2013/mar/20/myth-of-the-cowboy?INTCMP=SRCH

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


There you go again Zim that is several times in the one thread, if you cannot debate the point don't bother. I suppose when you have nothing to copy/paste all you are left with is personal attacks so I will yet again have to forgive you ........

If your comprehension was up to the mark you would realise that my response above was a direct counter to your boast that you are great etc. I'll make it clear to you, Zimmy you never have an argument that has not been passed to you by an other person. You cut and paste from conspiracy sites, my personal favourite was the site that claimed Canada was governed by a giant pineapple. You are going to have to up your game considerably before you will be taken seriously.

The constitution of the US has nothing to do with Poland its irrelevant here. This thread is about whether Poland should relax its gun laws. The short answer is that no it should not, if you need a gun in Poland as in much of Europe you get one.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


This is circular, we are back to who makes the decision that the government is tyrannical and is that self appointed cabal tyrannical? If only there were some way to test public opinion.

There are "shooting people" decisions to be made even if everyone is armed when you decide to reject the ballot box and go down the road of rebellion.


Not really, defending your home in a fundamentally unequal and artificially created political entity is a matter of survival. More guns means more guns on both sides which means more death. Having weapons would not solve the base problem.


The fantasy is that the talk of fighting tyranny has zero perspective of how and what it would look like. If everyone had weapons the result is the same though with more death.

This goes for fighting any government Communist, Fascist and so on. The Stalin and Hitler stuff is just nonsense.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Your own view of history is not factual.

Name one successful rebellion that did not rely upon outside help.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Zim, you only post links to dubious conspiracy sites to support your brainwashed corporate shill "arguments", don't be making this all about you and your deluded fantasy. Just try to address the issue instead of cutting and pasting quotes that have nothing to do with the topic.

It's crystal clear that you cannot explain how you expect a lightly armed bunch of people to defeat an army, its not going to happen it is just pub talk, neither of the things in that scenario are going to happen.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


I'm not against gun ownership for citizens, if there is a need for ownership then gun licenses should be issued people working in the country need guns. In the city hobbyists can shoot as many targets and clay pigeons as they want. In Europe there is not really any problem people who need guns get them, hunters get them as do target shooters. There are regulations on how guns should be stored and carried. There are additional regulations on the type of guns people should have access to Europeans are happy with this.

I live in a place where there was a tyrannical government that's why I keep hammering on that point.
The lack of answers of how to fight a tyrannical government is very telling these gun nut people have no idea what they are talking about.

When fighting a tyrannical gov decisions will have to be made to shoot some poor fellow in the back of the head or decide that he is still a target when off duty taking the kids to the cinema and so on.

Those decisions are sick and I want nothing to do with them. On the other hand defending your home and area is a very different question. I remember helping family find accommodation after their home was burnt and I commend the few people who were able to shoot back. At the time and for many years I wanted more guns however I know that more guns only means more death this is fact.

The fantasy talk of the gun crowd really annoys me its just pub talk they have exactly zero idea what they are talking about, their ignorance is staggering and extremely dangerous. They may live in a cowboy movie but the rest of us live in the real world.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Zim as pointed out to you several times on this thread you stated that you want to fight tyranny I asked how and when yet you pretend there is no question that is dishonest.

Bringing a lot of quotes from a bunch of morally dubious slave owners does not an answer make. Nor does accusing any one who would like to see guns safely locked away of being either a communist or fascist make a good or logical argument. The point is that gun nuts suggest that fighting tyranny is a major reason that they should not be forced to keep their guns locked away, they are very vocal about this. They are vocal about Stalin and Hitler (rather quiet about Ho Chi Min mind) etc yet the same people are mighty quiet when asked how they would actually fight tyranny.

There are so many holes in the gun nut crowd's arguments that they cannot answer any pertinent questions, that's why they mouth hollow slogans.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Now Zim you know that is dishonest. I know you cannot answer the question in the same way as a bar room braggard cannot live up to his own image.


The slave owners revolt?

I would take the writings of people more seriously if they were not hypocritical to the core.
The argument over taxation is equally hypocritical, these people when not living off government largesse were free loading, paying less taxes than others. It really was a case of do as I say not as I do.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Should there be only one militia in the US, what happens if there is more than one?
Who then decides which interpretation of the constitution is correct?
Will there be a PPV fight to the death over constitutional law?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

Zim I asked a straight question, yet again you and the gun crowd in general cannot answer.

"Fighting tyranny" is often trotted out as a reason for these hobbyists and their corporate sponsors to continue pumping weapons into society. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for answers yet this simple point is never addressed as can be seen in this very thread.

As there is zero chance of any government allowing its self to be overthrown it is a hollow boast.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


The gun crowd keep saying that but never attempt to answer any questions. It's odd that such a vocal and apparently well reasoned lobby cannot answer any questions when asked, for example




Its your boast that you would fight surely you know when and how you would do this fighting or is it as I say a Hollow slogan with no grounding in reality?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Smoke and mirrors?
It's clear that the gun crowd cannot answer any questions and why should they when hollow, half understood slogans are so much easier to mouth.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Would you care to explain how you would go about doing that?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


They in this instance being me an individual.

You are complaining about comprehension on a thread where you want to manipulate stats? You suggested that a re writing of crime stats could provide evidence to support your view point? Can you not see how ridiculous that is because its pretty damm ridiculous?

Surely Re writing crime stats to remove all gun crime would produce a better result for your point of view?

I understand the stats though I don't feel any need to manipulate them. You accuse me of having comprehension problems I'll add that to the bottom feeder label..........

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You keep saying the same thing but refuse to explain the bar talk you indulge in. Perhaps you also believe in a secret orgainsation that will counter government opression.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Might want to think before typing rubbish.............
Do you really want to have some one explain it to you?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


Is that because you have no intention of visiting LA or does Warsaw have a higher gun death rate?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]


What a ridiculous statement
If they removed all the US gun death stats it would turn out that the US has no recorded gun deaths making it safer than Europe.

Most violent crime anywhere happens in cities that is a fact of life.

History / Battle of Vienna - history movie about Poland / Commemoration [36]


The battle of Vienna was won on the playing fields of Eton:)

Related conversation:

Battle of Vienna (where Jan III Sobieski saved Europe) commemoration hijacked

The annual commemoration of the 1683 Battle of Vienna - where Jan III Sobieski saved Europe from a Muslim invasion - was this year hijacked by the smolenkist bigotists.

Why they cannot stay on Krakowskie Przedmieście? Will soon every Polish commemoration around the globe be polluted by their weird antics?
opole.gazeta.pl/opole/1,35086,12458197,Polski_bogoojczyzniany_skansen_pod_Wiedniem.html


Why is it surreal??
I f you do not believe in God, Salvation of Jesus Christ then that is okay for you to say,
However for Catholics and Christians overall exoricisms are a reality...
Tell me a Christian woukd believe that Jesus Christ, God and a man in one would die on The Cross and then come back from the Dead yet not belive the Exorcisms,,,

You know there's a saying that I know:
"The Greatest Victory of the Satan was to fool people that he doesn't exist"

I did my gymnasium and lyceum studies under the very stern eye of Jesuit priests. I never heard these nonsense there.
That said and done, why these people cannot stay in their namiot?

Handing out photostats encouraging people to do a little morning exorcism while shaving is far from normal. Those loons were also getting all het up about a national sin of allowing communion in the hand and women working for the church. Bizarre.

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


No and I dont live in Poland

History / Churchill and Poland [120]

What point are you trying to make?

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


What a lovely question

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


You have not provided one shred of evidence for your silly claim and now you are into the fantasy world of conspiracy

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


And what is your point?

Churchill said in cabinet


Churchill knew full well this was not the case because he added


Its clear that Churchill sold Poland out but as I said earlier there is not much he could have done.

Both quotes from "Masters and Commanders" by Andrew Roberts as reported.

The quotes are from Burgis a note taker at churchill's meetings who prepared cabinet papers his notes are in the national archives.

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The only people who seem to like stalin are far left nuts in what was LM and North Koreans.


Yeah I said that


Nonsense...Empire day, Empire Games, colonial wars some stuff still going through the British courts.

Man you dont really know what you are talking about and we have only scratched the surface.

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


Nothing sentimental about Churchill, the man always adopted the most extreme populist position possible.

The Empire had been running at a loss for about 25 years by the mid 40s The British needed to realign their economy but blamed Ghandi for the unrest in India and subsequent economic woes.

There is nothing sentimental about denying freedom to a people.

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


They both loved Empire.

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


I hoped that one could see I wasnt trying to have a bash at Britain or the things the British went through.

It is true that the war was fought in the Soviet Union and neighbouring countries the figures for Leningrad alone dwarf all the allied numbers. It’s also true that the second front was deliberately delayed but the Soviets won inspite of this. The appeasement of Stalin was the only thing that Churchill could do to preserve what was left of the Empire that appeasement involved selling Poland out.


Apart from hide on their island till the Russians won the war for them*


No I meant badly spelled French:)

*Now that is a pop at the Brits

History / Churchill and Poland [120]


The British Government headed by Churchill knew very well the nature of Stalin, Churchill had made a career partly from demonising any progressive thought. Uncensored Cabinet papers reveal that Churchill together with Roosevelt had indeed "sold" Poland accusations of naivety wont stick. Churchill was more concerned with Ghandi and preventing Indian freedom than of confronting Stalin.

The British narrative of the 2nd war is BEF, dunkirque, BOB, fall of Singapore, the Chindits, el Alaimain, d day, market garden, victory, oh and some stuff with U Boats.

One wouldn’t want to diminish these events or the people who participated in them however the war was largely fought somewhere else and Churchill was desperate to have either the US or the USSR on his side.

Life / Street names in Polish towns/cities [26]

There is an Orla street in Warsaw named I presume for the Polish Eagle, quite common however in Irish Orla means Vomit.

Life / Do young Polish people believe in their religion and God? [150]


It is to do with the fear of Catholicism, anti Catholic fear and loathing is deeply ingrained in many. As I've said before they don't see people they see Catholic people.

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England is not the same as Poland or any other country. There is not an English man inside Polish people trying to get out.