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Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

We wandered off topic awhile back....for some just the idea of a good relationship between Germany and Poland even today is not preferable...holding up grudges is so much better!

*takes coat*
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

You know lesser...take that to your country men who were and are to a huge majority happy to became/be EU-members...

allbusiness.com/government/international-organizations/9565437-1.html

July 3 2007 83% of Poles have a favourable opinion of the EU, according to a survey from the US-based Pew Research Centre

Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

If my rented 4 bedroom house is taken over by 4 germans - the house is full
of germans - but it's still MY house :):):)

Nice to know in the case of Danzig, Breslau or Stettin...thanks! :)

If you want to play that game - FINE!

We both know that human civilisation came from Africa:);) Humans travelled from Africa up to Europe - through Europe and up to Scandinavia.

Yup....but still Germans roamed central Europe already there wasn't a Pole to see anywhere...

We both know that the Germanic tribes came down from Scandinavia:):) However - as your little map shows, the red area shows settlement from the north @ approx 750BC:):)

Erm...you should take another look at this map....red was only the beginning the other colours are the same tribes at different times expanding their territory...still no Poles!

And anyhow..are you still mad that my grandpa tried to kill your grandpa???
Still fighting the war???
It's over...first you lost, then we lost...now they are all dead anyhow....

The german army had the advantage of surprise - otherwise they would have been routed by the Polish forces:);):0

Well...you seemed not very quick on the uptake...your surprise lasted nearly a whole month! :)

But wasn't there shortly before a general mobilization of the polish forces? I think I remember that...

I have seen you posting a table of "European IQ league" more than once. You could use this Germanic brightness and figure out yourself! :)

You are not trying to paint an image of a sullen, brooding Pole sitting alone in his dark corner glaring over at Germany, mumbling into his beard???

I'm sorry *snicker*, but that's what springs to mind reading your quote! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Yes, we also are leading in solarenergy and what not.
But it's all still by far not enough to power a highly industrialized economy and society.

No Azerbaidshan will help us with that either...

To believe any country in Europe could somehow do without the russian resources just don't know the facts.
And that is only now!
The future will be even more critical as the demand from the growing industrialization in Asia (China) will grow and grow and will become rivals for the same resources...

if we're dependent from Russia its over for us and you.

Just in case you didn't get it the first time...WE ARE DEPENDENT ON RUSSIA RIGHT NOW ALREADY!
And that won't change the next decades....

He said it best:

spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,426555,00.html

...
That's reason enough to reduce this dependence by creating an intelligent, forward-looking policy -- in so far as that is possible. After all, our energy risk won't get any smaller in the future.
Today, Europe covers 50 percent of its energy needs by means of imports -- soon, it will be 70 percent. So our policy can only be that of producing more energy ourselves wherever possible. We should also import from as many different providers as possible in order not to be overly dependent from any single provider. But one shouldn't dramatize the risk either.
Why should the Russians -- our main energy provider, breach contracts and cut off the supply? The consequences for them would be tremendous; the long-term damage for Russia would be considerable. We Finns have decades of experience with Russian energy providers -- I can assure you that we have never had problems.

Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Newsflash: Till we develop usable alternatives we all ARE dependent on Russias sources.
And will be even more so in the future to keep our economies running!

Another Newsflash: The rivals for these resources and their demand will grow too, but the resources won't.
To build NOW and try to secure them NOW is the right thing.
If you like the Russians or not is just irrelevant...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

We surely don't need someone in the EU who always tries to piss us off...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But then went with the Nord

They are not very grateful anyhow...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

What you could not do for a 1000 years, you are trying to do with you German led European Union. But the truth is Polish nationalism is not going to warm up to you anytime fast.

Remind me again....who begged Germany to help them to gain entrance into the club?
And who became Polands biggest advocate in the EU?

Here is a list of our Polish-German alliance as it played itself out through history. The battles Poland fought when it was first born (Piast period) are:

Well...look at the maps...in the course of 2 millennia you wandered from outside of Europe now near to Berlin...can you call it desperate defense by the Germans?

Don`t tell me we`re pretty much the same. We developed our sense of ourselves in the need to defend ourselves from your relentless appetite.

The facts speak another language...YOU are the invader with a relentless appetite for germanic lands!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Germanic_tribes_(750BC-1AD).png

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Germanen_50_n._Chr.png

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_Circles-2005-10-15-en.png

mapsofworld.com/germany

And for the record you invented antipolonism.

Well...I could have bet that was another Pole...
Didn't the Poles invent everything else on earth there is???
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

The Nazi party had everything outlined in that book written way before they became a powerful political party. It was Hitler and a few other Nazis in the same prison writing Mein Kampf, right?

I dunno...it's forbidden in Germany! :)

But thanks for wiki:

Mein Kampf has also been studied as a work on political theory. For example, Hitler announces his hatred of what he believed to be the world's twin evils: Communism and Judaism.

....but they still forgot the wehavetokillthepolishsubhumanthingie...

I have some work to do now.

*waves*
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I'll provide a links when essential.

Well...better stop posting crap!
It's easier that way...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

It would be all pearls before pigs anyhow...I'm saving my brilliance for posters who really want to discuss not just exchange prejudices, crooked opinions and verbal farts.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

What was your point again? 20 years means one generation. Europeans tend to live a little longer than that...lol

Well...if you had to make a point it's long lost anyhow...

The source is mine thoughts and my experience.

Than you should write so and not try to sell it as truth or facts...
You are wrong in so many counts, it isn't even funny even more but thinking and believing for yourself you can do what you want!

Someone should tell you that you can't have a real discussion with prejudices and opinions only...

That's why you don't have a sense of humour.

More crap! Should I start telling some polish jokes? Must be all true I swear...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Are you that naive or you just simulate? :-D. I'm talking about a Communistic era.

Erm...but that's over for twenty years already...you do know that, don't you? :)

No comments. Argumentum ad hominem

Heh :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Lack of knowledge.

But isn't the polish education to blame for that?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Some real links, facts, stats would preferable to any "praise" or "criticism" if I'm honest.
You rather prefer purely objective statements wrapped as facts...that's just not true!

Point for point I show that you only have some pseudo blah blah for arguments which I can answer with facts...your reaction to that is more blah blah, so typical!

There must be some pseudo-psycho explanation for that too....
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

If Germans "WANT" to feel full pride they do so.
Either you want or you don't...(maybe it's different with the Poles I dunno).
All nations have some parts they are not especially proud of, does this stop the people to feel pride in their heritage? Never!

And you can watch national pride at best at international games in our times without european wars....

I think it's rather wishful thinking of some Poles about a downtrodden German me thinks, so not sorry to disappoint you!

Yes, some of Poles don't feel proud enough from the fact that they were born in our beautiful country. Yes, you can say that some of them are deluded.
And I am absolutely serious right now.

Why do you think that is?
And shouldn't you rather be concerned about your own polish pride than the pride of the Germans? :)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Same goes to Britons, Dutch, Swiss (and I'm talking about my experience from talking with the people so don't post me some articles like: "how we Europeans are in love with Germans" ;-D) ..hmm, it seems that the whole world have a crooked image of Germany and Germans ;-]

Really!
Didn't they just want to be polite to a Pole, knowing your weak spot?

Then why tops Germany so many popularity surveys?

In any case, Germany is the best overall country "brand", receiving the highest ranking among the 50 nations measured in the 2008 NBI index.

30. Poland

nation-branding.info/2008/10/01/anholts-nation-brand-index-2008-released

Germany once again fared best in the poll, with every country viewing it positively and 61% of people rating it favourably, up from 55% last year.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7873050.stm

Shouldn't Poland top instead? :)
It seems some Poles not only have a crooked image of Germany but of themselves too....can you say "deluded"?:)
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Germanize? No, I think most of us are immune for this kind of treatment ;-]
However one man can surely post a lot of crap (and I said 'a lot' not all) that may be convincing for a young people without a proper historical education.

Well, at least I don't try to explain some pseudo-psycho crap about how the Poles surely feel and think...

But of course I admit posting links and facts and infos might disturb the comfy polish worldview "We good holy saints - Germans bad beasts"...

I'm so not sorry to be so inconvenient!
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

the bad interwar Germans were not the real Germans but nazis. Now they have to convince themseves that it's true...

Crap!

Sorry to be so direct but your pseudo-knowledge of the deep workings of the german soul
is just that, crap!
But if it helps to feel yourself as a Pole better who am I to stop you, you won't believe me, a lowly original German, anyhow.

Some Poles really have a crooked image of Germany and the Germans I must say....:)

...they can't feel the national pride anymore...

And some more german eye candy for the boys:
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

Gdansk or "Danzig" is not a German city.

How would you call a city with 98 percent Germans citizens?

Poland defeated Russia in 1920 thanks to Piłsudski's "lightning offensive" the first of it's kind and a precursor of the Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg

Of course Poland invented the Blitzkrieg....:)
But where was it 1939???

Here is a map of the area around 1000AD showing the original borders of Poland

Why not go even further back?
It wall all german territory...you came and expanded westwards. All of Poland
was once germanic! :)

Germans everywhere, no Poles at all

And that's a map from 1512
Look where Poland is...

Poland in the west

Should I post a modern map too?
It rather looks like Poland looking for "Lebensraum" in the West....now the boarder
ist near Berlin and I already hear Poles talking about "isn't Berlin a slavic stronghold anyhow?"...:)

This thread is sickening. Poland and Germany are antithetical nations. The main reason we are christian is so Germany wouldn't colonize our "heathen" pagan lands. We took baptism as a way to resist your attempts to civilize us.

Quite to the contrary...we are quite similiar...maybe uncomfortably similiar for some!

Why don't you German "friends" start your own forum instead of colonizing this one? Or is that just what you do best?

You fear one, lonely german on a polish board will all "germanize" you?
Poor sod...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

So in that case you shouldn't be upset because some other Germans are nazis (or neo-nazis). You are the individual human being, right? ;-]

???

Are you still talking about the topic in some way?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

But still, it was again in Germany ;-]

...and?
It happened and happens everywhere...but it needs a highly industrialized, highly developed country to wreak really havoc with it.
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

I believe in facts and not in "what if.." version on the history.

One should know the facts first...not only some convenient fragments!

"Die Welle" must hurt all those who don't believe it can happen everywhere.
But nothing new here actually. Group thinking is totally natural to human
behaviour...always was and always will...
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

HITLER'S PLANS FOR EASTERN EUROPE

Why don't take it out of Hitler's mouth but rather trust some generalizations
and phrases?
(It was the slavic people who expanded steadily westwards deep into once germanic
territories...somehow you never mention that)

"The relation to Poland has become unbearable. My Polish policy hitherto was in contrast to the ideas of the people.
My propositions to Poland, the Danzig corridor, were disturbed by England's intervention. Poland changed her tune towards us.

They talked to us again in the language of Versailles. There was danger of losing prestige.

We are facing the alternative to strike or to be destroyed with certainty sooner or later."

instead of

"...mustkillpolishsubhumans...lebensraum...mustkillpolishsubhumans...l ebensraum...
mustkillpolishsubhumans...lebensraum...mustkillpolishsubhumans...leben sraum...etc."

Is it somewhat preferable for Poles to believe Germans woke up the morning and go to bed the evening only brooding about the subhumans in the East and how they could piss them off?

Do you need that belief somehow?
Curiously it's jewish and commie education too...

Were is the Nazi anti-polish propaganda?
Bratwurst Boy   
5 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

He had his reasons....read the link and the quotes.
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

...then he wouldn't begin II WW first. I call it loop of madness :)

Not necessary...the main problem still stands: The communist danger from stalinist Russia!
War was unavoidable sooner or later. Hitler decided to attack as he had the advantage...

This prevents making posts like this one, which only neo-Nazis believe. The rest of us understand this was staged. Historians agree on that.

Formulation and Execution of the Plan to Invade Poland

Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Volume One
United States Government Printing Office
Washington, 1946, pp. 390-400

Would that source be good enough for you?
Bratwurst Boy   
4 Mar 2009
History / Polish-German alliance. [489]

BB, I have suggestion for you. There is a great history forum dealing with WWII. It is

He...I'm a regular there! :)
But thanks...

I hope you don't take it that I'm patronizing you

Just read the links...
Nobody is denying that the Nazis had a race ideology too but it wasn't the one and only and not even the most important driving force for the war with Poland!

Avoid fringe websites and don't quote from Jewish websites about Polish history, they are both unreliable. I find your views like what I would find on Stormfront and you must admmitt that neo-Nazis are not exactly credible.

I should not use jewish websites and I'm nearly neo-nazi? You should come to a decision some time...

Sorry if some of those facts don't fit into your world view but I can tell you as a German that for most Germans the most pressing questions weren't the Jews and their destruction (Germany always only had a tiny minority of them contrary to Poland for example).

The same holds true for any "subhuman" ideas..."Mein Kampf" or not.
Read the plan for the invasion of Poland again!

If this pic staged why should they stage it if the eastern people are officially just "Subhumans"?
Or does this german SS soldier helps the wounded Russian just like that?