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Ironside   
25 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The point is t

such a levitation was already in place. I keep repeating it but none listen. They i.e. gov didn't need any new bill to correct it. They just could have issued a small correction.

Hey by they decided it will do them good if they pose as friends to pro-life supporters. Its a political stunt.
If they would do it right as they should you wouldn't even heard about it.
Read Torq post how that overlooked legislation had been overused.

levitation

WTF it should be legislation,
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

They didn't.

they did, they had to correct it later - morons
And you and that soviet pair of clowns haven't noticed it either, I had a laugh talking to them with they ignorance apparent yet they have supported PiS legalization regardless lol !
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Where does this madness of Poland's ruling party come from I don't really know.

You were all exited when they banned animal farms you and that pawian. Now that they are correcting the law that should have been corrected long time ago you go ape-shite crazy. Yuck!!! What a scummy soviets.

What they are doing? They don't know. They F up a lot lately. so they hope they will gain some support by doing that. Simple!

the majority can not impose every kind of law on the minority without restriction, otherwise we have a tyranny of the majority.

In what reality? In a parallel universe or in your ivory tower? The biggest superstition is a lie that human are rational creatures that given a proper education would act rationally with a reason as they guidance.

Regardless that is only correction of the law that had been already in place. . You should find out more about the issue and not from biased leftie sources. Otherwise you give an impression that you are not rational about it at all but rather frantically and emotionally involved on a one side and you don't give a fiddle for the truth.

None of those points are related to forcing someone to carry a child against their will.

How it is not? You are talking about tyranny of the state that is imposing its will on the people. So an option is to leave people as much individual freedom as possible without said state interference. If you think that you can pick and choose which issues should be forced on people and which not. You are not advocating a greater individual freedom. You have nothing against state tyranny as long as it goes your way.

You are a hypocrite.
By the way woman has a choice doesn't have to become pregnant is not compulsory. Once she does it is not longer only about her. there is a life of another human being at stake. A defenseless minority, somehow a hypocrite like you don't care enough to defend them. why cause they cannot vote?

such false equivalences and exaggerations.

Prove it! The same agreement you make about breaking the law can be made about any other criminal. There is no special status for abortion. That distinction exist only in your mind. If anything the law is inconsistent here. For an abortion there no real legal consequences for a woman, whereas if she or a father would have killed a five years old child they go to jail. Makes no sense.
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Up to 20,000 people out on the streets of Warsaw a

First let them pay for breaking covid-19 restrictions. ?Then given them brushes while out there should clean streets.

to religious ideology

Well, Ok then, let have abortion anytime anywhere provide I can cut off your head or anyone's without any legal consequences. I would rather prefer regress into a tribal and barbarian world than life in some neo-Marxist slave state.

Ah you say 20 000 it must have been 2000 knowing you and your sources. Warsaw has about 3 millions in that say 1,5 millions women. Wow a whooping 0,1% or if we take your phantasy for a real number whooping 1,3% women of Warsaw took part in that corvid spreading event.

Where is Ziemowit to condemn them? Except he is another soviet hypocrite and he won't .
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

any place in setting laws since not everybody believes in it and expecting non-believers to carry a baby becausw of religious sentiments is wrong.

Not really. I mean that argument doesn't carry any weight. After all from a democracy perspective majority sets rules, so if majority decide what is right and set it as a law, the law it is. Unless you argue against democracy.

There is another perspective ethical one that claims our civilization is build on certain ethical/moral dogmas/cornerstones that shouldn't be touched unless you don't aim at destroying what it is now.

The really interesting question arise when those two presuppositions clash. Whilst majority would like to vote on something that would have undermined certain ethical cornerstones of their civilization. I digress.

allows the state control over womens' bldy to an undue degree

Are you for the right to own a gun, dismantle of a welfare state, low taxes and a small government? If not your concern for an alleged control of a state over women bodies (whatever that means) reeks of hypocrisy.

forces women into illegal abortions

That argument could have been made about any law and any criminals. He/she should be allowed to take other people position otherwise it force him to rob a bank and endangers his/her life and the life of other in the process. Hell, I have made even a stronger case for a bank robber using YOUR 'logic'.

Is that a flower of the regressive left mind? A silly slogan?
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

That's the reality of Catholicism i

The only one that bring religion into it is you. Well, maybe some others too, but I have never argued about issues here using an argument from the Bible. So there is it.

What you saying in fact that since something is practical and easier for adults they should have it their way. Even if that includes killing children.

You say this you say that add Catholicism to the mix and vole! Where is your Catholic stance I would like to know? Why are you even bring into it religion? Just to go contrary to its dogmas and teaching?
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

However forcing mothers to carry baby's to term who might have severe birth defects seems wrong to me.

Seems to me that you got it wrong too. The problem lies with imprecise law in Poland which has been misused to carry out abortions of babies whose defects had been potential. problematic or even nonexistent. Still a mild dawn syndrome is not a cause for killing.

You all seem to be missing the point here - a sanctity of a human life. Seems to me that on a philosophical and ideological ground left just lost it. They don't know what is what, take things for granted and create more problems that they solve. Hell lately they don't solve any problems they only create them There are a reason they are called a regressive left.

Even here, you divert attention towards issues that concern statistic minuscule of the cases. Same goes with those cases left talk about all the time i.e. when pregnancy is a result of a rape. Those cases are few and between and that is not really the crux of the matter here.

Don't tell me that IF I would to concede that an abortion should be an option if it is a result of a rape and when there is not doubt whatsoever that a child will be born with severe deformities, you would support in turn a ban on all other abortions? Of course not!

So the problem and disagreement runs deeper and has littlie to do with those cases you regressive left like to bring up to show that you CARE. No you don't! You pretend to care to use it an a tool to spread your ideological dogmas - as it has been aptly demonstrated.
Ironside   
24 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [160]

That's relatives. Ancestors are somewhat further back.

Familial ancestors are included in that too.
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [160]

No, RC. Go November the First to any normal cemetery in Poland after dusk and you will see its glow.
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

go root elsewhere.

Doesn't she knows about it? I mean choices and consequences. Still, if you face a hardship go and get some kids killed. Oh its mine that make its OK, Ethically going back to the paterfamilias law. Harking back to 12 tablets law, Roughly 2470 years ago. Progress lol!

Actual doctors.

who never heard about painkiller and such? I doubt they qualifications then.
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

You need to catch up on my posts

universal child and health care,

IF there would be universal child and health care system it doesn't make sense to say that it is up to do woman. It is up to a state or a society then.

I don't blame a woman who decides not to have a kid especially if is via a beta/rapist/looser male.

Well, Why would you make a kid pay for his/her mother bad taste or wrong life choices. In time of contraception a woman who gets pregnant by a mistake or change her mind after the fact is no better than 'a beta looser male'.

blokes who got their partners pregnant

You need two to tango.
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
Off-Topic / Are Polish Christians here? [160]

and converts to American and German style evangelicalism.

Ancestors are important.
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Because its the women's body and the women's state of mind.

So consequently you support no state help or 'dad' doesn't need to pay anything IF she decide to have a kid. AM I right?
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

An unviable foetus that has at best a few days of misery to actually live

Is that another tale from the lefties propaganda leaflets?

As the Polish saying goes, moja pizda, moja decyzja...

There no such a saying just a vulgar slogan copied from aboard.

I would agree 100% it should be up to the women alone,

Why?
Ironside   
23 Oct 2020
News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

what the actual ****?

Yeah, what is wrong with you, eh?

This isn't about 'murder'.

Well, it is about killing of a human being, that should be put it right. Euphemisms you are using are serve as a deceptive crap to numb peoples awareness' of the issue.

want fetuses with untreatable fatal conditions to be born so they can suffer horribly for a few minutes

Well you are one of those that got away and not only you suffer you cause suffering to others forced to listen to your horrendous self-hating crap. Plus, learn something about the issue from the source not from some biased pamphlets./you sound like a misinformed fool.

Polish women want

Speaking for Polish women now? Have they voted you to be their spokesman?

from a fundamentalist Catholic

lol1 You and your Catholicism are just a sham.
Ironside   
21 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

The issue is the rule of law.

Which is a subject of interpretation what constitutes the rule of law. Meaning it is a slogan not an issue.

The justice reform has put this in jeopardy.

Even if that is the case it is not up to the EU or any particular country within it to interfere with the Polish internal issues. In short there is not treaty that allows to meddle into it. That the law.

t is just not a good idea to give a simple majority the power to appoint judges without any compromise,

Maybe not, but as said it is up to poles to sort it out. What is that complex of a big brother or father? Get rid of it. That is the biggest problem in the EU.

By the way if we deny the right of the majority to govern that is a step back from democracy. Maybe into oligarchy? Seems like it.
Ironside   
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

I admit it that discussing things with you is very tiring coz you twist and mix everything up,

On the contrary I ask you very simple questions, you only need to answer them truthfully. It is not my fault that you lie. If you are caught you blame it on me. Your misbehavior is very antisocial in its core.
Ironside   
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

my dad was a brilliant inventor in chemical industry

was one of your parent PZPR member or not?

t doesn`t mean all were created or controlled by Soviets - Polish communists

dude Soviet either from Soviet union or Poland were the same .....
Meaning that could be created/controlled by soviet secret police from Soviet Poland.
Ironside   
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

then it is not my fault.

You mean you don't know. Bravo! You support blindly anyone even against your country just that you can get back at PiS. Oh sorry it is not your country, Go home soviet!
Ironside   
18 Oct 2020
History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

ightists` connections and alliances with communists are BS and nonsense??

indeed. what alliances? some movement created by the soviet secret police? What right about it? You are the dumber one aren't you?
Ironside   
18 Oct 2020
News / Years of Poland in the EU - assessment of pros and cons [1199]

You are playing stupid all the time - but let it be if it is your favourite pastime.

Nah, I want you to tell me. Not to quote some political BS but where is that RISK (lol) (they don't even say there is a breach but a potential exist there for it to happen, isn't that life anything can happen or not- I digress).

Which values they meant precisely in their referral? All of them? Doesn't make sense! So tell me which one of those values it is?