Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]


Where does it say in the article?

Johnny reb, I doubt I'd complain about people on the bus telling me that I'm being pickpocketed or if I didn't have to talk a witness of a car accident into waiting for the police after she saw a driver hitting a young girl after he didn't stop at the lights... I meant stuff like this. No, I wouldn't complain about people being "oppressively suffocating" then. Would you?

That's basic human decency in a civic society, imho.

And don't be lame, noone informed me about me being cheated on and I've never been cheated on (as far as I know, of course). I wrote that my experiences had nothing to do with cheating.


OK, johnny, I do think that you're hypocrites and probably cheaters too. I'm basing this on your first reactions to Adel's post. The fact that you're not even willing to answer my question about your buddy' s broken nose proves you're a hypocrite. I have no proof that your're a cheater, obviously, that's my gut feeling based on your reaction to Adel's post and your behaviour on this forum.

Now, your turn. Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? No weaseling out this time.

Btw, I'm not going to get involved into an endless discussion about differences between men's and women's cheating. Marriage is about sex too. It's one of it's foundaments. So even if it's "only" about sex for men - it doesn't matter - it's still a betrayal and it hurts. And, yes, I was talking about one night stands (you mentioned a bar yourself) and everything else.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, if you googled it then what's the percentage in case of husbands? How many of them don't know?

As far as going to a bar - for women such kind of adventure may not be very safe and probably not very satisfying. Also, unlike prostitutes, men talk... Someone she knows may see her in the bar, etc. etc.

You know what, I think that by claiming that you would know about your wife's cheating you're trying to weasel out from answering my question.

Would you brake your buddy's nose or not? Simple question.

"you know how weak us males are when it comes to younger women in their prime." - I do know, so don't go on and tell me that I'm "a feminist of the worst kind and think the worst of men", etc., because you know very well what I'm talking about...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@johnny reb, me being a victim of social apathy explains why I care for other people being in similar situation when other people are too indifferent to react.

Well, I think I trust more a research than your guessing and I think it's a bit of a wishful thinking on your part that you would know if your wife was cheating on you...

Maybe the percentage would be similar in case of husbands being cheated on and not knowing about it - I don't know, I haven't seen such research. Men do have more opportunities though, I think - with all those brothels around and sites where you can order prostitutes like pizza :)

So, johnny reb, what you're saying is that, if you were being cheated on by your wife and you wouldn't know about it because your "slutty" wife would be so "creative" about it, and your buddy would come to you and tell you what's going on, instead of thanking him you would brake his nose??

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@Lenka, I wouldn't mind if a complete stranger approached me about sth like this. I'd be very grateful because I've seen how indifferent or cowardly or lazy people can be and they don't intervene when sth bad is happening - I was also a victim of such indifference/cowardice/social apathy. It didn't have anything to do with cheating, but it can make you lose faith in people.

Now imagine the wife finds out when she's after 50 or 60... (whole life wasted) or when she contracts some nasty venereal disease from her husband...

I understand what you're saying, there's always a small chance (20%) that she knows, but if her husband's cheating isn't "extremely painful and embarrassing" enough for her to dump him, then I doubt she'd die from shame if someone told her about it...

Pity that the wife doesn't know English - she could try to find out for sure then if she knows about cheating or not...

If that story is even real, that is, and we're not being trolled... :)


Then I'd rather my husband didn't visit your hotel ;))

@cms neuf, then I guess - your hotel - your rules, my hotel - my rules :)

@johnny reb, what about the kids? You think I'd want my mother to be married to a cheater? Besides, the pair could go to counseling and that could help their marriage - not everyone divorces over cheating.


Hypocrites. Come on, don't tell me you wouldn't want to know that your wife is cheating on you.

And as I wrote already - 80% of wives who are being cheated on never get to know. Men have their ways to hide this stuff, trust me, their impunity can be astounding...

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

I don't see it as "messing" with someone's private life in such circumstances - the wife has been her hotel's client for years and it looks like she's grown to like her... For me ignoring sth like that, especially in such situation, is simply cold and cruel. I think there are some limits to being "professional". I wouldn't take such decision lightly and it wouldn't be easy for me to tell someone about sth like that, but I hope I would have the guts to do it. I personally definitely wouldn't fire anyone for something like that.

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

So you personally would fire someone for telling one of your clients, a very nice person, that her husband, a father of her kids, has been cheating on her for years?

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

@cms neuf, do you work in a hotel too?

Well, as I wrote, if she decides to tell her, she can add that one sentence to the note and hope that the wife won't blab it out to anyone about who told her the truth... But that's her decision - whether she's willing to risk her job or not...

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

Maybe those boy scouts know what they're doing... They could throw those cookies at Russians... As every Ziemkiewicz knows, Russians would be willing to live in mud huts and eat only potatoes so only Mother Russia could afford lots and lots of rockets... So, in case of a war with Poland Russians attacking Polish territory would be starving... They would throw themselves at those Diversion Cookies and Polish boy scouts would be able to capture them in a humanitarian way, because Russians would be, understandably, completely disarmed by the extra chocolate :))

Joking aside, I hope Polish kids won't have to fight enemies of Poland ever again... That's what army is for, and now - also Territorials...


I googled a bit because I was confused myself about what those Territorials are about and I found an article which explains it, I think. It's an interview with Col. Grzegorz Kaliciak, who was the commander of the defence of Karbala city hall in 2004 (there's a Polish film about it, btw). Now he's a commander in Territorials.

Territorials are Wojska Obrony Terytorialnej (Territorial Defence Force). It means they are to defend Polish territory, people and infrastructure in case of an armed conflict on Polish territory only and even then they'll be more of a support for the proper army forces, if I understood the interview correctly. If there's going to be no war on Polish territory (and I doubt it will come to this in our lifetime - hopefully not...) then it's going to be as Atch wrote - Territorials' main role will be helping out during floods, epidemics, etc. When my father visits a hospital he said a soldier stands in front of an entrance to the hospital and takes his temperature every time. I'm guessing he's a Territorial. I've also seen a fragment of a documentary about them and it seems they're also being trained to aid the police in the search for people in difficult terrain.

So, I guess Territorials are for people for whom taking part in real combat isn't a priority - you won't be sent on a mission to some God-forsaken country like Afghanistan, for example...

The interview:
defence24.pl/plk-kaliciak-zolnierz-ot-nigdy-nie-bedzie-specjalsem-wywiad


I don't think snipers have some kind of super eyesight - normal, healthy eyesight is enough... Snipers in the US army can even wear glasses. It's more about having particular character traits and, of course, being willing to do that kind of job, because it isn't easy...

Anyway, I hope that whatever career path in the military you'll chose, you'll succeed :) Good luck!

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

Really? Why is that? After all, both the husband and wife are clients of the hotel...

But if that's the case I guess if she decides to tell her she can add to that note the following sentence:
"Please don't tell your husband who told you about it because I may get fired from the hotel for this."

Polish translation:
"Proszę nie mów swojemu mężowi kto Ci o tym powiedział, bo mogę za to stracić pracę w hotelu."

Love / Cheating from spouses. Is cheating very common in Poland ? [116]

The husband is the homewrecker, not her.

Adel (Amber?), write her a note in Polish - "Your husband has been cheating on you for many years. I've decided to tell you because you're a very nice person. I'm really sorry, I think you deserve better than this."

My translation to Polish:

Twój mąż zdradza Cię od wielu lat. Postanowiłam Ci o tym powiedzieć, bo jesteś bardzo miłą osobą. Bardzo mi przykro, uważam, że zasługujesz na coś lepszego.

Put that note in an envelope maybe and give it to her when the husband isn't around and make sure that she understands that this note is for her and it's important for her to read it.

If she's in her forties she still has a chance to find someone for herself. By not telling her you're wasting her time/life. I personally would prefer to know if my husband was cheating on me.

Guys, I've seen research showing that around 80% of wives who are being cheated on by their husbands never find out about it. So it's possibile that she doesn't know.

Joker, johnny reb, I think both of you are hypocrites. I bet that if your wives were cheating on you you would want to know. I have a feeling that you're cheaters yourselves and that is why you wrote such comments. Men like you make me sick, tbh.

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

Pity he ended up being such a nutcase...

I remember there was an article about Territorials and PiS' plans behind that formation: "Fabryka oficerów Macierewicza" (Macierewicz's officers' factory).
And here's another one:
money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/wot-mon-blaszczak-kadra-oficerska,3,0,2413827.html

Btw, Mr Grunwald, is there a particular type of forces you'd like to join?


Have you thought about becoming a sniper maybe?

Life / Polish Ice Hockey [17]

I think mafketis is right...
Also, I suspect it's the same as with figure skating - it's gravely underfunded, both are difficult sports, expensive and the eternal problem in Poland - very few ice rinks, especially good quality ones...

You can read an article about it here, I imagine pretty much the same thing can be said about ice hockey in Poland:

przegladsportowy.pl/sporty-zimowe/lyzwiarstwo/lyzwiarstwo-figurowe-w-polsce-umiera-przez-brak-pieniedzy/dm3g66q

Life / Territorials - Polish National Guard [57]

To be honest, when I first heard about plans for creating Territorials it sent chills down my spine - the way PiS behaved made my think that they were going to create their own fanatical and faithful militia that would be ready to quench any dissent in case the police or the army didn't agree to do it...


You know, pawian, when last year I was reading your farming thread I remember thinking that maybe you missed your calling and should've gone into the military - with your energy and zeal... I can easily imagine you digging trenches all day long with a smile on your face ;D


But there are less "regular" forces in the military...

History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

@Vesko Vukovic, Of course that Russia is ready to invest money and other resources into changing governments (or keeping them), in media propaganda, in manipulating public opinion and so on - it has proven this more than once.

Also, you didn't do your research - RT has been available in Poland for quite some time now - I've had it already on two different cable TVs.

Love / Why do Polish guys stare a lot? And what does that mean? [14]


OK, first I'm going to write something for the sake of all the women out there dealing with Polish men.
It took me a while to realise this, but where I live men are doing something that I'd call "testing the waters". I don't know whether it's "a typical trait of Polish guys", I've never lived abroad, so I can't say, but I think it's possible that Polish men are less bold than men in some other countries. So, they often don't hit on you right away, first they try to make an eye contact to check if you're interested (I'm mainly talking about everyday situations - at work, at the store, at the doctor's, etc.). If you look away looking indifferent they interpret it as lack of interest and they can get sad, offended or angry even. It's sometimes small things that can put them off and you may get surprised how petty and vindictive men can get, so it's better to be careful, especially with co-workers who are higher on the hierarchy ladder at work.

And now I'm going to write something for the sake of Polish men out there.
If a woman doesn't seem to reciprocate your interest when you're giving her "the look", don't take it so personally. Do you know how many such looks women get? A lot. I'm guessing that the more attractive the woman is the more such looks she gets. We can't possibly date or get interested with every random guy that looks at us in the street, at work, at the store, at the dentist, etc. We don't smile not because we're b1tches or think we're too good for you, but because we don't want to encourage you to hit on us and get rejected and get hurt as result. Also, women have boyfriends, partners. The fact that she isn't wearing a ring doesn't mean that she's necessarily single. So, again, don't take it personally.

One guy in particular got stuck in my head. I was waiting for a visit at the dentist. He went out of the dentist's office, saw me and his face was immediately like "OMG, A WOMAN!" lol So I assumed my poker/indifferent b1tch face and pretended that I went back to my nap. He started to put his clothes on and when I looked at him again he looked like a puppy who got kicked in the stomach. He looked so sad, like he was thinking "I'm not going to get a woman ever in my life". I really felt sorry for him, I felt like hugging him almost and saying that he'll find someone for himself :/ Because of such reactions (and the angry, entitled ones) I get somewhat tense if there are men in a waiting room at the doctor's or other such places where you have no other choice but to look at other people. I don't want to hurt or offend anyone so I often pretend that I'm taking a nap or letting my eyes rest (my usual strategy lol).

There's another thing. Women can be shy too. And they often have a lot of complexes concerning their looks, especially Polish women apparently. We aren't telepaths so more than just one look may be needed to make us realise that you're interested. Don't give up so easily, guys.


Ask people at work who know him what happened to him and whether they can help you to contact him.

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

No probs, Torq. I've been around here for all this time more or less so I know what's going on in here...

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

@Torq, johnny_reb is a Polish-American... But a special kind... A sociopathic kind :) Don't try to keep track of his claims and opinions, views, etc. or it will then get very confusing... and frustrating :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]


Johnny, now calm down, read my comment again, slowly, and then get back to me and tell me where did I write that you don't like or like something.

All I did was pointing out the hipocrysy of ultra-patriots (including yours, btw - because you often attacked Harry and others for being "anti-Polish" so spare me this self-righteous indignation now, please :)).


That was what I and other Poles were called by the British here in the past. Minus the "Pollack". By the same Brits you deplore so much and call "anti-Polish".

FYI.

@Thanks, Atch, but I'm probably too "borderline normal" to spend extended periods of time on this forum :) I have low tolerance for stupidity and all kinds of other things that are going on here. Maybe I'll visit from time to time though.

I won't write what this forum has always needed because I'd probably get a ban for that :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Oh, yes, what would we have done without them??

Btw, thanks, Torq, I had fun lol You and pawian are becoming my favourites on PF :) This place really needed some humour... (and the return of "the old guard", apparently :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Spot on, Torq, we Poles are simple people, it's just all too complicated and confusing for us, I'm afraid... lol

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Atch, I'm afraid I don't know whether you're being honest or ironic British/Irish style... I'm Polish, you'll have to forgive me... :))

Genealogy / What are common Polish character traits? [425]

Haha, Torq... lol I'm afraid you're not being obvious enough for our johnny here... It's probably because of his Polish genes... Poor fella...

Atch, maybe you have some Polish roots too that you don't know about? :))


Lol We do, terri. You have quite a bit of display of irony and sarcasm by pawian and Torq on PF lately. Haven't you noticed? Or maybe you don't get it? ;)

As for that football player it is possible that you didn't indicate with your tone of voice that you're being sarcastic or that someone who was at that moment emotionally invested in the game didn't catch on it. Did you speak in English?

There may be some cultural differences too - Poles are more direct and upfront than the English, they don't veil everything so much.
To be honest, terri, your comment looks pretty prejudiced/ignorant to me. I don't know of any nation that wouldn't get irony. In my discussions with Russians, for example, I've noticed that they often employ irony and sarcasm in their responses to Russophobia.

Btw, you know what's really ironic, guys? If it was Harry, delph, Dougpol or jon who would write such comments like johnny_reb or Rich Mazur about Poles in this thread they would be labelled as Pole-haters and told to gtfo from Poland if they don't like it and Poles so much, etc. etc. It would be the same if such comments were written by a "libtard" Pole - the difference would be probably that he or she would be also called a traitor.

So where are the ultra-patriots now? All I can hear is crickets and all I can see is tumbleweeds rolling across the street... :)

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

I'm not going to translate the whole fragments now, but according to this link: tvn24.pl/organizacja-finalu-wosp-w-gdansku-jakie-przepisy-zastosowano,900368,s.html

the organisers say that the concert was qualified as a non-mass event by the city authorities (who didn't comment on that). The organisers also got a green light (a positive opinion) from the police in Gdańsk. Also, according to documents (the permits) the requirements concerning the security were analogous with those for mass events.

The organisers obliged the security firm in their contract to treat the concert as a mass event (so I guess they have it in writing).

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Yes, jon, thanks for the photo... I prayed for him. I hoped he would make it... We all did... It was a shock.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, I think it's you who's really into pushing the blame on Owsiak personally because of your hate for him. I just translated a fragment from Wikipedia.

It was you who claimed that "he probably hired some antifa thugs as security,to scam more money".
It was you who wrote that "looks like them nasty libtard Owsiaks security,handcuffed and brutally beaten mentally ill person".
You wrote: "shame on Owsiak scammer.hes greed was to blame."

So now you're blaming him not for being greedy, not for hiring "a few antifa guys" for security, not for what the security did or did not but for hiring the wrong local stuff?

What if he didn't personally hire the local staff? What if he has staff for hiring local staff?
Sorry, but I think you're obsessed with this man.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, a quote from Polish Wikipedia (my translation):

"In every voivodeship there is local WOŚP staff responsible for preliminary counting of money raised by subordinate volunteers and then sending them to WOŚP account. The local staff is also responsible for organising local WOŚP finale concerts in bigger cities in Poland. Local WOŚP staff is also operating outside of Poland to cater for the needs of Poles living abroad."

I'm not sure if you realise how big this is. Owsiak wasn't in Gdańsk. The local staff in Gdańsk was responsible for organising the concert and taking care of the security.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, whether Owsiak/the organisers somehow broke the law - I don't know - I haven't heard anyone claim that, even PiS politicians. I imagine it's going to be checked/investigated.

But you can't accuse people right and left without knowing who did what. You're behaving like a kid.
And the organisers didn't hire "a few guys", but a security firm.
Do you think that Owsiak, as a chairman of one of the biggest charities in Poland, knows which city hires which firm for security? I don't know. Do you? I kind of doubt that, to be honest. Do you know in how many cities these concerts are taking place? It was even in Kielce. What kind of security was here? I have no idea. Noone died though, fortunately, as usual, because I think the concert takes place every year even in my city.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, by "agenda" I mean your right wing bias, not that you're a troll paid by Putin. You're simply not being objective and trying hard to blame everything on "Owsiak". Even the way the killer was treated by the security or whomever. "Owsiak" or "libtards" didn't brake his nose.

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

No, I didn't omit anything, gregy. I've pointed out that you've exaggerated his injuries. Be more accurate/honest next time.
Yes, he looked fine to me when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage. But it was brief. I saw his face only once, on BBC. That's all I can say.

Yes, something could happen outside of view of people and cameras. Maybe he was beaten up - by the security guards or the police. Maybe the injuries happened at the stage when he was being overpowered. A broken nose doesn't have to be a very severe and visible injury. In Polish language it could just mean a fracture of the bone.

As I wrote - I wasn't there and I don't know what exactly happened.
You don't know either.
And I don't have an agenda. It looks to me that you do.


You mean the blonde woman who was there with her kid? Yes, she said he looked "happy", as far as I remember...

News / WOSP in Poland [161]

Gregy, are you retarded or trolling?
It doesn't say that he had his arm broken - just that it was "injured". We don't know what kind of injury it was and how serious it was. It could be strained because the technician grabbed him by his arm and then threw him down to the floor.

He didn't have his "face" broken. He had his nose broken. Which, yes, I can imagine could happen when thrown to the floor face down by a scared, ordinary citizen completely untrained for this kind of situation, with an adrenaline rush trying to save kids from a raging maniac with a combat knife.

The police didn't say that he was injured by the security. They said that "he probably sustained the injuries when he was being overpowered on the stage or perhaps also when he was being brought down from the platform". So they don't know. Or the police beat him up and they're lying. I wasn't there and, unlike you, I'm not all-knowing and I simply don't know.

He was overpowered first by the stage technician. He put him on the floor. I saw that on TV. And then some other guy through away the knife. Whether he dropped the knife himself - I don't know - it was too far away to see. It didn't look brutal to me and he didn't look like he was resisting. And as I wrote - he didn't look beaten up when he was being brought down the stairs from the stage.