delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
Work / Can I find a job in Poland that requires speaking in English? [82]
Hmm... send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll be in touch :)
Hmm... send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll be in touch :)
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
Work / Can I find a job in Poland that requires speaking in English? [82]
The problem is how much you can expect to earn - probably you would only get minimum wage here (which is 1200zl net a month) at the most.
Where in Poland are you going?
The problem is how much you can expect to earn - probably you would only get minimum wage here (which is 1200zl net a month) at the most.
Where in Poland are you going?
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Indeed. Perhaps Dougpol should bear this in mind.
And after the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia few Poles would have condemned him for fighting the UPA.
Indeed. Perhaps Dougpol should bear this in mind.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
The Polish version of Wikipedia contains a mention of it - I forget where I read it, but he certainly was involved in some way against the UPA.
Jaruzelski's early life and military career.
The Polish version of Wikipedia contains a mention of it - I forget where I read it, but he certainly was involved in some way against the UPA.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
As I recall, Jaruzelski distinguished himself during the ethnic cleansing of the Ukrainians.
As I recall, Jaruzelski distinguished himself during the ethnic cleansing of the Ukrainians.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Indeed. It's remarkably naive to believe that all Communists were corrupt - even looking at Jaruzelski, his history shows that he was never interested in the perks that accompanied power. I can't judge for his whole character, but it seems that he genuinely believes that he was doing what was best for Poland.
And one that I don't understand. Being furious at Communists if you're Antoni Macierewicz makes sense, but being furious at them when you grew up and lived in a country where Communism never really took hold? Odd.
Indeed. It's remarkably naive to believe that all Communists were corrupt - even looking at Jaruzelski, his history shows that he was never interested in the perks that accompanied power. I can't judge for his whole character, but it seems that he genuinely believes that he was doing what was best for Poland.
Hmm, it doesn`t sound like a discussion, it looks like a very emotional outburst.
And one that I don't understand. Being furious at Communists if you're Antoni Macierewicz makes sense, but being furious at them when you grew up and lived in a country where Communism never really took hold? Odd.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Doug, I'm sorry to call you out on this one, but what convinces you that they were as genuine as they say they were? We saw in East Germany that families were destroyed by revelations in the files - people who were supposedly ultra-opposition turned out to be collaborating, and that many families were betrayed from within. If the family suffered that much - then it makes you wonder if they didn't have a traitor in their midst. Of course, the files are mostly closed, so you won't be finding that out anytime soon.
I'm of the opinion that it is very, very difficult to know for certain that someone was clean in those times.
It's remarkably easy for you to say as someone who didn't have the Soviet Union breathing down your neck to judge Jaruzelski.
That sort of unhealthy hatred will get you nowhere. Communism has been dead for 23 years and counting - not to mention that it didn't affect you personally.
I'm sorry, but you never suffered personally at the hands of Jaruzelski.
Absolute garbage
Doug, I'm sorry to call you out on this one, but what convinces you that they were as genuine as they say they were? We saw in East Germany that families were destroyed by revelations in the files - people who were supposedly ultra-opposition turned out to be collaborating, and that many families were betrayed from within. If the family suffered that much - then it makes you wonder if they didn't have a traitor in their midst. Of course, the files are mostly closed, so you won't be finding that out anytime soon.
I'm of the opinion that it is very, very difficult to know for certain that someone was clean in those times.
You're wasting your time Marek
It's remarkably easy for you to say as someone who didn't have the Soviet Union breathing down your neck to judge Jaruzelski.
- to being reduced to toil and scrub the toilets in their own town cinema
That sort of unhealthy hatred will get you nowhere. Communism has been dead for 23 years and counting - not to mention that it didn't affect you personally.
The last would be a wonderful place for Jarulzelski to die - so he can meet his maker sooner rather than later - and be fast tracked - the bastard.
I'm sorry, but you never suffered personally at the hands of Jaruzelski.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
If it's true, then the number is similar to elsewhere in the Soviet bloc. I find him an interesting character - but perhaps not a reliable one.
Are there numbers available for those professions?
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. I dare say that a significant number of priests were simply blackmailed.
His name is Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski and he has estimated that some 10% of the clergy collaborated.
If it's true, then the number is similar to elsewhere in the Soviet bloc. I find him an interesting character - but perhaps not a reliable one.
Not a bad result when compared to the writers, journalists, teachers, actors and academics who supported the regime.
Are there numbers available for those professions?
The figure would undoutbedly be smaller if one considered only those priests who voliuntarily and servlistically collaborated for private gain as opposed to thsoe hwo were blackmailed, harassed and/or intimidated in various ways.
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. I dare say that a significant number of priests were simply blackmailed.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Not to mention the ones that collaborated.
I forget his name, but there was that priest that estimated something like 8-10% of the Church was compromised.
There was also a group of renegade Priest-Patriots under the thumb of the regime who collaborated for different perks and privileges.
Not to mention the ones that collaborated.
I forget his name, but there was that priest that estimated something like 8-10% of the Church was compromised.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
It's an interesting question - would those that were left (especially the intellectuals that had survived) really put themselves in a situation where Poland was going to be finished as a result just for the sake of attending church?
It's only a guess, but after those long years of war and the harshness of Stalinism, I don't think people would fight for it. But let's not argue about it :)
Well - if the deal on offer was the Church being outlawed in exchange for some stability and an improvement in living conditions, I think people would have accepted it. I think Poland was so brutalised to the point where they simply had enough. A great mystery to me though is why the Stalinists didn't just take over the Church in the first place.
For me, the whole Party-Church relationship in Poland was exceptionally interesting. I know by the 70's, many small places had settled on a consensus that the Party and the Church dominated local affairs.
It's an interesting idea - you give everyone immunity from prosecution, but they are expected to tell the full truth in the process.
No, not for the Church. But for God, yes.
It's an interesting question - would those that were left (especially the intellectuals that had survived) really put themselves in a situation where Poland was going to be finished as a result just for the sake of attending church?
It's only a guess, but after those long years of war and the harshness of Stalinism, I don't think people would fight for it. But let's not argue about it :)
How can the destruction of the Church lead to relative normality???
Well - if the deal on offer was the Church being outlawed in exchange for some stability and an improvement in living conditions, I think people would have accepted it. I think Poland was so brutalised to the point where they simply had enough. A great mystery to me though is why the Stalinists didn't just take over the Church in the first place.
For me, the whole Party-Church relationship in Poland was exceptionally interesting. I know by the 70's, many small places had settled on a consensus that the Party and the Church dominated local affairs.
That`s interesting. I never heard about it.
It's an interesting idea - you give everyone immunity from prosecution, but they are expected to tell the full truth in the process.
delphiandomine
28 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Did they really try that hard, though? I know there was the usual Stalinist tactics towards the Church, but never a massive repression with a total ban on attending Church?
Do you think that millions really would have died for the Church? It doesn't seem likely to me - people were already destroyed by the years of war - if the Church being outlawed meant a return to relative normality, would many people really have tried to fight?
Likewise. It must be such a burden to carry around day after day.
Personally, I'm only sorry that Jaruzelski (and others) were never brought up in front of a South African style Truth and Reconciliation process.
Sorry, Delph, crushing the Church was impossible at the time. :):):) Stalinist communists tried it in 1940s/50s but failed and gave up.
Did they really try that hard, though? I know there was the usual Stalinist tactics towards the Church, but never a massive repression with a total ban on attending Church?
No, it would mean execution of millions who were ready to die for their beliefs.
Do you think that millions really would have died for the Church? It doesn't seem likely to me - people were already destroyed by the years of war - if the Church being outlawed meant a return to relative normality, would many people really have tried to fight?
Yes. I have never been able to understand people who hate others and never forgive.
Likewise. It must be such a burden to carry around day after day.
Personally, I'm only sorry that Jaruzelski (and others) were never brought up in front of a South African style Truth and Reconciliation process.
delphiandomine
27 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
To be fair, they could have crushed the Church if they wanted - but it would have meant keeping Poles in a genuine police state and tied up considerable Soviet resources in doing so. It made far more sense to leave the Church be.
It is absolute nonsense. Holding such hatred in your heart can only bring you down too.
And the fact that Church was so strong in his times means nothing - it wasn`t Jaruzelski`s merit but Polish peoples` power and ability to resist.
To be fair, they could have crushed the Church if they wanted - but it would have meant keeping Poles in a genuine police state and tied up considerable Soviet resources in doing so. It made far more sense to leave the Church be.
But hitting a man with a stone in the face was a barbaric, un-Christian revenge. After so many years the hatred didn`t subside.....???
It is absolute nonsense. Holding such hatred in your heart can only bring you down too.
delphiandomine
27 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
The intriguing thing to me is how he behaved at the time - like you say, he cut people out and ruled Solidarity as if he was the king of his own empire. I wonder if they'll show this?
(as a footnote, I've been watching coverage of the 1990 Presidential election - Walesa absolutely destroyed Mazowiecki in terms of presence and debate)
The intriguing thing to me is how he behaved at the time - like you say, he cut people out and ruled Solidarity as if he was the king of his own empire. I wonder if they'll show this?
(as a footnote, I've been watching coverage of the 1990 Presidential election - Walesa absolutely destroyed Mazowiecki in terms of presence and debate)
delphiandomine
27 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
It seems that way ;)
I wonder how much the film will show the reality within Solidarność.
It seems that way ;)
I wonder how much the film will show the reality within Solidarność.
delphiandomine
27 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
I doubt he knows the first thing about the film, but if it doesn't portray Walesa in a completely negative light, then his political masters have told him to oppose it.
I doubt he knows the first thing about the film, but if it doesn't portray Walesa in a completely negative light, then his political masters have told him to oppose it.
delphiandomine
24 Aug 2013
Genealogy / Americans of Polish descent. How many of us are on Polish forums? [216]
I suspect Poles are far more able to understand Putin and his motives than the average Canadian.
Many Poles (and Westerners) think Putin is USSR Communist v2.0 when its not.
I suspect Poles are far more able to understand Putin and his motives than the average Canadian.
delphiandomine
24 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
Indeed, from all I've read about the situation, it was a very deliberate move - not least because it provoked the so-called "Rural Solidarity" who didn't have much in common with Walesa. As I recall, their power base was in that part of Poland - the crude Communist propaganda of Walesa being locked up in what was considered to be the luxury Arlamow would have driven them crazy.
Indeed, from all I've read about the situation, it was a very deliberate move - not least because it provoked the so-called "Rural Solidarity" who didn't have much in common with Walesa. As I recall, their power base was in that part of Poland - the crude Communist propaganda of Walesa being locked up in what was considered to be the luxury Arlamow would have driven them crazy.
delphiandomine
24 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
And yet he was able to rouse the masses. Not bad going for an uneducated man, as well as his inhuman ability to bridge the gap between workers and intellectuals.
He proudly stated he had never read a book in his life.
And yet he was able to rouse the masses. Not bad going for an uneducated man, as well as his inhuman ability to bridge the gap between workers and intellectuals.
delphiandomine
23 Aug 2013
History / Film "Wałęsa" - historical reality vs myth - controvercies [103]
Where were you when Walesa was in prison?
Where were you when Walesa was in prison?
delphiandomine
19 Aug 2013
Law / Is it safe and legal to use torrents / downloads in Poland? [29]
In theory, you can download, just not share.
In reality, no-one cares.
In theory, you can download, just not share.
In reality, no-one cares.
delphiandomine
18 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
I see that you're also in need of some Biblical teaching -
Wrong, as the Bible says :
In short, Jesus makes no reference to requiring "CONTRITION AND REPENTANCE". Sorry Polonius, but your Biblical knowledge appears to be comparable to your knowledge of other religious texts - non-existent.
I see that you're also in need of some Biblical teaching -
Their ilk love to latch on to the forgiveness and mercy bit but conveniently forget that that hinges on CONTRITION AND REPENTANCE.
Wrong, as the Bible says :
"And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins" (Mark 11:25).
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins" (Matthew 6:14-15).
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" (Luke 6:37-38).
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins" (Matthew 6:14-15).
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" (Luke 6:37-38).
In short, Jesus makes no reference to requiring "CONTRITION AND REPENTANCE". Sorry Polonius, but your Biblical knowledge appears to be comparable to your knowledge of other religious texts - non-existent.
delphiandomine
18 Aug 2013
Work / MBA IN FINANCE. How to do my masters and work in Poland? [5]
No, you can't move to Germany after your studies.
Yes, the Polish language is required and there are no jobs for you here.
No, you can't move to Germany after your studies.
Yes, the Polish language is required and there are no jobs for you here.
delphiandomine
17 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
I'll start one when I find my book - amazon.com/Polish-Revolution-Solidarity-Third/dp/0300095686
As far as I'm concerned, Solidarity weren't much better than the Communists for seeking a regime in that their own were protected while others were free to do as they wanted. It may be slightly skewed by Solidarity's acceptance that they weren't going to get a regime change, however...
That is a great paradox indeed, worth a seperate thread.
I'll start one when I find my book - amazon.com/Polish-Revolution-Solidarity-Third/dp/0300095686
As far as I'm concerned, Solidarity weren't much better than the Communists for seeking a regime in that their own were protected while others were free to do as they wanted. It may be slightly skewed by Solidarity's acceptance that they weren't going to get a regime change, however...
delphiandomine
15 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
No Polonius, what the enlightened ones wanted was a society that offered a fair chance to all - without Communist or Trade Union style nepotism.
A society that rewards mediocre people for having their right membership - be it Party or Trade Union - is not a fair society. At least capitalism did offer those with the brains the chance to succeed.
Only a dreadful society would allow dreadful "professionals" with no qualifications other than loyalty to end up living in large houses.
No Polonius, what the enlightened ones wanted was a society that offered a fair chance to all - without Communist or Trade Union style nepotism.
A society that rewards mediocre people for having their right membership - be it Party or Trade Union - is not a fair society. At least capitalism did offer those with the brains the chance to succeed.
Only a dreadful society would allow dreadful "professionals" with no qualifications other than loyalty to end up living in large houses.
delphiandomine
15 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Solidarność was hilariously anti-market (and still is) - when you read the 21 demands, it becomes very obvious that they were after a "TKM" style society rather than a fair and free society.
As you can see Solidarity movement was against commercialization and much more anti-market than so-called communists.
Solidarność was hilariously anti-market (and still is) - when you read the 21 demands, it becomes very obvious that they were after a "TKM" style society rather than a fair and free society.
delphiandomine
15 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
The established practice in European Communist countries was for the existence of a dual economy - Poles were no strangers to consumer markets and prices.
The established practice in European Communist countries was for the existence of a dual economy - Poles were no strangers to consumer markets and prices.
delphiandomine
15 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
That's not true, and could only be written by someone with little knowledge of how pre-1989 economics worked in Communist countries in Europe.
Nice conspiracy theory, but the reality was that Poland was in the mess of her own making. It was no secret that the West was quite happy to watch "Communist' countries bankrupt themselves, for it would provoke regime change far more effectively than a war.
I think the industries in which Solidarność still have a stranglehold show that it could never work. The "chance" required massive amounts of money to bring them to any sort of reasonable standard - money that the country just didn't have. It's worth pointing out that many of the Solidarność strongholds were doomed to failure from the beginning for various reasons - letting trade unions run them just ended in disaster, as we already saw with the shipyards.
Eastern Europe was untouched by Western capitalism, with no consumer market to speak of.
That's not true, and could only be written by someone with little knowledge of how pre-1989 economics worked in Communist countries in Europe.
Confident in the knowledge that the worse things got, the more likely the new government would be to accept a total conversion to unfettered capitalism, the IMF let the country fall deeper and deeper into debt and inflation.
Nice conspiracy theory, but the reality was that Poland was in the mess of her own making. It was no secret that the West was quite happy to watch "Communist' countries bankrupt themselves, for it would provoke regime change far more effectively than a war.
For the movement's militant rank and file, this was the chance to test their
economic program: if the state-run factories were converted to workers' cooperatives, there was a chance they could become economically viable again - worker management could be more efficient, especially without the added expense of party bureaucrats.
economic program: if the state-run factories were converted to workers' cooperatives, there was a chance they could become economically viable again - worker management could be more efficient, especially without the added expense of party bureaucrats.
I think the industries in which Solidarność still have a stranglehold show that it could never work. The "chance" required massive amounts of money to bring them to any sort of reasonable standard - money that the country just didn't have. It's worth pointing out that many of the Solidarność strongholds were doomed to failure from the beginning for various reasons - letting trade unions run them just ended in disaster, as we already saw with the shipyards.
delphiandomine
10 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Then you should also know to preach forgiveness rather than revenge.
I think i know better what Christianity is then some atheist and by the Christianity's ideolorgy a heavy sinner.
Then you should also know to preach forgiveness rather than revenge.
delphiandomine
10 Aug 2013
History / Jaruzelski vs Pinochet [120]
Poland is certainly a better place without women having to kiss the hand of someone who was lucky enough to be born to the right parents.
Christianity, goofy, Christianity.
I dont see how it made Poland a better place, a commie's blabber.
Poland is certainly a better place without women having to kiss the hand of someone who was lucky enough to be born to the right parents.
When will he put to jail ?!
Christianity, goofy, Christianity.
delphiandomine
9 Aug 2013
Work / Working in Poland without speaking Polish [75]
From what you've been saying on here, you're earning a pretty crap salary by Polish standards.
But, we were still recruited by a top American company and beleive me, we do earn a decent salary!
From what you've been saying on here, you're earning a pretty crap salary by Polish standards.