Paulina
12 Jan 2014
Life / Do Poles have a problem understanding American English? [76]
OK, that's evil... lol
I guess it's more a dialect than an accent?
OK, that's evil... lol
I guess it's more a dialect than an accent?
Paulina
12 Jan 2014
Life / Do Poles have a problem understanding American English? [76]
Yes, for example, I have difficulties with understanding the Cajun accent.
I've been trained to use British English too since high school but that was the British queen's English (I was even told by one teacher at one point that I talk like her lol). But that's not how normal people talk in the UK, apparently. So it's so much easier for me to understand American English.
And Monitor is right - it's thanks to the American films on Polish TV.
Yes, me too. But I guess it depends how often you hear it. If you hear it often enough you learn to understand it, I think.
No, Americans usually speak more slowly and clearly, than the British, for example.
Not always, though - I remember watching "Gilmore Girls" in original and Lorelai and Rory could speak really fast when they were talking with each other and throwing some cultural references in and sometimes I had problems with understanding them.
So, who knows, maybe you're one of such fast talkers :)
Yes, for example, I have difficulties with understanding the Cajun accent.
I've been trained to use British English too since high school but that was the British queen's English (I was even told by one teacher at one point that I talk like her lol). But that's not how normal people talk in the UK, apparently. So it's so much easier for me to understand American English.
And Monitor is right - it's thanks to the American films on Polish TV.
I quite often find it difficult to understand foreign, non-English speakers speaking English if they speak with their own, (too) national accent.
Yes, me too. But I guess it depends how often you hear it. If you hear it often enough you learn to understand it, I think.
Specifically, do they think Americans speak too fast?
No, Americans usually speak more slowly and clearly, than the British, for example.
Not always, though - I remember watching "Gilmore Girls" in original and Lorelai and Rory could speak really fast when they were talking with each other and throwing some cultural references in and sometimes I had problems with understanding them.
So, who knows, maybe you're one of such fast talkers :)
Paulina
9 Jan 2014
Love / Questions about Polish Men - flirting, cheating, liking? [44]
I don't understand... If he has a girlfriend/partner, then it means he isn't single. I thought the term "single" is used in English both for people who are not married and don't have a bf or gf? Because that's the way it's used in Poland...
Just to be clear though, the person I am talking about is single but has a girlfriend/partner
I don't understand... If he has a girlfriend/partner, then it means he isn't single. I thought the term "single" is used in English both for people who are not married and don't have a bf or gf? Because that's the way it's used in Poland...
Paulina
9 Jan 2014
Love / Questions about Polish Men - flirting, cheating, liking? [44]
Oh, but that would mean that our dear expats from this forum are most probably cheated on by their Polish wives :))
I see foreigners attract a certain type of Polish women lol (gold diggers, for example)
OK, I have enough of this.
Listen, people, my mum worked with British men and Japanese men here in Poland (only men, they didn't send any women).
And she was telling me stuff, obviously.
British men, although married and with kids, were cheating on their British wives with Polish women. Some even divorced their wives and married those Polish girls. I've even studied with one of those girls! (eewww...)
And Japanese men... woah... Even the British men were telling me how they were cheating on their wives (and those British guys had the nerve to ask me not to tell my mum about this lol).
Because all men are the same? lol
(just kidding)
McDouche, I hate to burst your bubble but I had a look at Polish and British surveys on infidelity and the figures are similar. As probably in many other countries. I've read American men are reluctant to cheat because divorce in your country is costly lol, but still:
About Poland:
As for Polish women, I can tell you that, no, they don't have some kind of "different values". Cheating is a big "no no", not only among religious women but also among completely anticlerical ones. Of course not for everyone, I knew one girl who flirted with other guy, although she had a bf. I don't know about men, I'm not a part of their inner circle but I haven't noticed any flirting among married people at work. Only among singles. But maybe that's because I live apparently in one of the most faithful regions of Poland lol (according to the survey, at least). The only thing I know (but only from gossips at work) is that men at higher positions were sometimes using "the services" of call girls in the evenings (working late hours, huh, guys... yeah lol).
I don't know about the men, but it's common for Polish women to cheat.
Oh, but that would mean that our dear expats from this forum are most probably cheated on by their Polish wives :))
I have friends who dated Polish women and some of them have also reported the same thing happening.
I see foreigners attract a certain type of Polish women lol (gold diggers, for example)
I think that there is definitely different values here.
OK, I have enough of this.
Listen, people, my mum worked with British men and Japanese men here in Poland (only men, they didn't send any women).
And she was telling me stuff, obviously.
British men, although married and with kids, were cheating on their British wives with Polish women. Some even divorced their wives and married those Polish girls. I've even studied with one of those girls! (eewww...)
And Japanese men... woah... Even the British men were telling me how they were cheating on their wives (and those British guys had the nerve to ask me not to tell my mum about this lol).
If this is based on revenge, then why cheat on non-Polish men?
Because all men are the same? lol
(just kidding)
McDouche, I hate to burst your bubble but I had a look at Polish and British surveys on infidelity and the figures are similar. As probably in many other countries. I've read American men are reluctant to cheat because divorce in your country is costly lol, but still:
More than half of Americans - 54% - know someone who has an unfaithful spouse, according to a nationwide USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,025 adults.
surveys in the UK and the U.S. suggest that between 25 and 70 per cent of women - and 40 and 80 per cent of men - have engaged in at least one extramarital sexual encounter.
About Poland:
As for Polish women, I can tell you that, no, they don't have some kind of "different values". Cheating is a big "no no", not only among religious women but also among completely anticlerical ones. Of course not for everyone, I knew one girl who flirted with other guy, although she had a bf. I don't know about men, I'm not a part of their inner circle but I haven't noticed any flirting among married people at work. Only among singles. But maybe that's because I live apparently in one of the most faithful regions of Poland lol (according to the survey, at least). The only thing I know (but only from gossips at work) is that men at higher positions were sometimes using "the services" of call girls in the evenings (working late hours, huh, guys... yeah lol).
Paulina
5 Jan 2014
Love / Polish cities with most single young women [11]
Plenty of people are moving to Warsaw, because jobs are there and higher wages. People go there to study at the university (hence so many young women). It's the capital and the biggest Polish city.
Those single women are often well educated and successful. So I guess they want career first and children later.
Stop the bull$hit, szczecinianin. The world doesn't revolve around me and you know it lol (and I do click on links).
You should always give the source of your information on your blog if there's a link available. That's the right and honest thing to do.
And why "singles" on your blog and only "women" in the title of this thread on PF?
maybe these ladies want to experience their own "Sex and the city" ;)
Plenty of people are moving to Warsaw, because jobs are there and higher wages. People go there to study at the university (hence so many young women). It's the capital and the biggest Polish city.
Those single women are often well educated and successful. So I guess they want career first and children later.
I did think of posting a link here for your benefit. Then I remembered that you don't click on them.
Stop the bull$hit, szczecinianin. The world doesn't revolve around me and you know it lol (and I do click on links).
You should always give the source of your information on your blog if there's a link available. That's the right and honest thing to do.
And why "singles" on your blog and only "women" in the title of this thread on PF?
Paulina
4 Jan 2014
Love / Polish cities with most single young women [11]
Szczecinianin, I think you should be giving links in the posts on your blog to articles from which you're taking the information given in those posts.
And why only "women" in your thread title? What about men?
Szczecinianin, I think you should be giving links in the posts on your blog to articles from which you're taking the information given in those posts.
And why only "women" in your thread title? What about men?
Paulina
3 Jan 2014
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]
lol
No, I don't.
First of all, I meant - at work. In all the places where I worked there were no "kurwa's" flying around, at least not in my presence, I have to disappoint you. There was basically no "heavy" swearing, and certainly no "kurwa" used as an adjective.
Well then, you clearly hang out with the wrong crowd :)
Noone in my family, among friends and acquaintances does that. I'm serious - noone.
Sure there are the "kurwa boys", I can hear them sometimes in the street, and "kurwa" is used in Poland as "f*ck" in English, but I've met plenty of Poles who are not solicitors and don't use it as an adjective frequently.
+1
You obviously have a hearing problem or you belong to the group who use it every second word; so you don't recognise when you hear it.
lol
No, I don't.
First of all, I meant - at work. In all the places where I worked there were no "kurwa's" flying around, at least not in my presence, I have to disappoint you. There was basically no "heavy" swearing, and certainly no "kurwa" used as an adjective.
I've yet to meet a Pole, other than solicitors, who doesn't use it as an adjective frequently.
Well then, you clearly hang out with the wrong crowd :)
Noone in my family, among friends and acquaintances does that. I'm serious - noone.
Sure there are the "kurwa boys", I can hear them sometimes in the street, and "kurwa" is used in Poland as "f*ck" in English, but I've met plenty of Poles who are not solicitors and don't use it as an adjective frequently.
I have met some Polish people who don't say 'kurwa' all the time, as well as English people who aren't constantly using the word ******'.
+1
Paulina
2 Jan 2014
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]
Yes, I have.
I've been to France, Germany, Italy, Austria and Slovakia.
I've been yelled at a public place only once in my life - in Austria by an Austrian woman.
My experience is completely the opposite o_O
I don't know, maybe that's because men don't swear in front of women.
Have you ever been outside Poland?
Yes, I have.
I've been to France, Germany, Italy, Austria and Slovakia.
I've been yelled at a public place only once in my life - in Austria by an Austrian woman.
I was astonished by how much young adults depend on the word " kurwa" to express themselves on any subject
My experience is completely the opposite o_O
I don't know, maybe that's because men don't swear in front of women.
Paulina
31 Dec 2013
Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]
Wlodzimierz isn't Polish.
I've never been yelled at by people in public places in Poland.
xD
Poor Szczerbaty :)
In what town/city do you live?
lol
Well, it does look like a joke to me :)
+1 ;)
I rest my case, even here people are rude.
Wlodzimierz isn't Polish.
Yes I agree that if you went to any country, you'd find rude people, but I have never been able to shake the number of times I was yelled at by people in public places in Poland.
I've never been yelled at by people in public places in Poland.
The woman at some other urzad was absolutely beside herself with rage every time I went in there.
xD
Poor Szczerbaty :)
In what town/city do you live?
I spoke to my mate yesterday to be told 'I will get you, the photographs were very bad' I said 'really', he replied 'yes, very very bad'. You did not take enough pictures of the [his] kids.'
lol
Well, it does look like a joke to me :)
I'd tell him that I didn't volunteer to take the pictures, or, I'll send you a bill, and laugh it off.
+1 ;)
Paulina
14 Nov 2013
Life / What's the best Polish radio station? [36]
You mean Trójka? This radio channel is a part of Polskie Radio (Poland's national publicly funded radio). It has a long history, unlike the commercial radio stations (there's a long article about Trójka on Polish Wikipedia, if you're interested).
today I discovered a Polish radio and have been listening to it most of the day.
You mean Trójka? This radio channel is a part of Polskie Radio (Poland's national publicly funded radio). It has a long history, unlike the commercial radio stations (there's a long article about Trójka on Polish Wikipedia, if you're interested).
Paulina
11 Nov 2013
Food / Polish Christmas Eve Dinner recipes [69]
I associate mazurki more with Easter than Christmas, but there's usually something with poppy-seed on Christmas Eve supper so why not (although I'm not a big fan of poppy-seed tbh, but that's me).
They're called faworki in my region and yesssss, I worship them (at least those made by my grandma ;d)!!! xD <3 Niebo w gębie :D
I recommend adding jelly cubes to the cream (for example strawberry or cherry flavoured) :)
I've never tasted such a mix, so I don't know whether they are going to be good or not :)
I wouldn't say they're difficult to make, you can check how they're made on Youtube:
Kutia is more an Eastern thing, I guess (Ukrainian, Russian, etc.), but it is eaten in some regions of Poland. I don't think I've ever eaten it and it doesn't sound too encouraging, tbh :P If you want to make it with wheat grains then you'll have to play Cinderella and peel every grain seperately, from what I've read ;O
Basically, dishes vary from region to region, from family to family.
There are supposed to be 12 dishes and usually there have to be some dishes that contain poppy-seed, mushrooms, honey, sauerkraut, to make it traditional.
Fish dishes are the only meat dishes served at Christmas Eve.
The Christmas dishes I personally like are:
1. Barszcz czerwony z uszkami - borscht with uszka (uszka are sth similar to pierogi, with a filling made of sauerkraut and mushrooms), it's a beetroot soup (and my favourite soup in general).
youtube.com/watch?v=I_yE5F93XOc
2. The fish dish (lol) I love is śledzie w oleju z cebulą - herring fillets in oil with onion:
gotujmy.pl/sledzie-w-oleju-z-cebula,przepisy-sledz-przepis,52089.html
3. I also like the all time classic sałatka jarzynowa - vegetable slalad with mayo and mustard (I think Russians have it too and eat it at New Year's Eve, if I'm not mistaken):
ugotuj.to/ugotuj/62133982/tradycyjna+salatka+jarzynowa+z+majonezem/p/
As for cakes, there's always some cheescakes, charlotte cakes and all kinds of other cakes with cream or without cream.
Everybody loves karpatka in my family, also everone knows murzynek in Poland:
wizaz.pl/kulinaria/przepis,2037,murzynek-prosciutki-i-pyszny
I also like pleśniak (known as "fuga" in my family). Apparently recipes for it are circulating on Italian blogs and forums as "torta slava" (Slavic cake) lol
everycakeyoubake.blogspot.com/2008/03/dzie-kobiet-pleniak.html
Miodownik (honey cake) is also a nice cake for Christmas.
Sorry, wrong links lol
This is a recipe for miodownik :):
domowe-wypieki.pl/przepisy-ciasta-miodowe/495-przepis-na-miodownik-z-masa-budyniowa
Btw, miodownik should be eaten two, three days after baking, because the cake is softer then.
Mazurek makowo- kokosowy
I associate mazurki more with Easter than Christmas, but there's usually something with poppy-seed on Christmas Eve supper so why not (although I'm not a big fan of poppy-seed tbh, but that's me).
Krusciki
They're called faworki in my region and yesssss, I worship them (at least those made by my grandma ;d)!!! xD <3 Niebo w gębie :D
I made Karpatka a few weeks ago that was pretty good, i'm sure my parents and fam would like it also.
I recommend adding jelly cubes to the cream (for example strawberry or cherry flavoured) :)
Lemon Blueberry Pierogi
I've never tasted such a mix, so I don't know whether they are going to be good or not :)
I would love to try making some piergoi from scratch is this hard, does anyone know.
I wouldn't say they're difficult to make, you can check how they're made on Youtube:
Kutia
Kutia is more an Eastern thing, I guess (Ukrainian, Russian, etc.), but it is eaten in some regions of Poland. I don't think I've ever eaten it and it doesn't sound too encouraging, tbh :P If you want to make it with wheat grains then you'll have to play Cinderella and peel every grain seperately, from what I've read ;O
Basically, dishes vary from region to region, from family to family.
There are supposed to be 12 dishes and usually there have to be some dishes that contain poppy-seed, mushrooms, honey, sauerkraut, to make it traditional.
Fish dishes are the only meat dishes served at Christmas Eve.
The Christmas dishes I personally like are:
1. Barszcz czerwony z uszkami - borscht with uszka (uszka are sth similar to pierogi, with a filling made of sauerkraut and mushrooms), it's a beetroot soup (and my favourite soup in general).
youtube.com/watch?v=I_yE5F93XOc
2. The fish dish (lol) I love is śledzie w oleju z cebulą - herring fillets in oil with onion:
gotujmy.pl/sledzie-w-oleju-z-cebula,przepisy-sledz-przepis,52089.html
3. I also like the all time classic sałatka jarzynowa - vegetable slalad with mayo and mustard (I think Russians have it too and eat it at New Year's Eve, if I'm not mistaken):
ugotuj.to/ugotuj/62133982/tradycyjna+salatka+jarzynowa+z+majonezem/p/
As for cakes, there's always some cheescakes, charlotte cakes and all kinds of other cakes with cream or without cream.
Everybody loves karpatka in my family, also everone knows murzynek in Poland:
wizaz.pl/kulinaria/przepis,2037,murzynek-prosciutki-i-pyszny
I also like pleśniak (known as "fuga" in my family). Apparently recipes for it are circulating on Italian blogs and forums as "torta slava" (Slavic cake) lol
everycakeyoubake.blogspot.com/2008/03/dzie-kobiet-pleniak.html
Miodownik (honey cake) is also a nice cake for Christmas.
Miodownik (honey cake) is also a nice cake for Christmas:
Sorry, wrong links lol
This is a recipe for miodownik :):
domowe-wypieki.pl/przepisy-ciasta-miodowe/495-przepis-na-miodownik-z-masa-budyniowa
Btw, miodownik should be eaten two, three days after baking, because the cake is softer then.
Paulina
30 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
LOL
Wow, wait a minute, now you're exaggerating lol
Woah, "politics of memory" brought to a new level o_O
What? xD Come on, that's bull$hit. Men in Poland often think that caring too much after their looks is unmanly. And let's be honest, some men are simply lazy. Women usually put more effort in looking good, because they know how important it is.
Damn, you have some issues, dude o_O
There is no abundance of 'extraordinarily' handsome men in any country in the West or I would have heard about it and I would have seen it.
And I haven't. Even in Italy and France where women usually expect the hottest guys.
If I ever hear Polish women comparing Polish men vs men from the West they usually don't compare their physical features but the way they dress, the way they carry themselves, the way they behave, the way they treat women and what they say about women, their views, etc. ("Oh, Italian men are so cheerful, they smile all the time, they care after their looks, they pay you compliments and just walk up to you and chat up - this rarely happens to me in Poland! It's nice to be around them." etc. etc.)
If they compare the physical features they usually do it vs Southern men and that's usually about their complexion, colour of eyes and hair.
That's true that it puts off most women when a man spends more time on taking care of his looks than women do lol
However, some basic care won't hurt anyone. On the contrary. For example, some men have dry skin and they don't do anything about it. I'm sure it wouldn't kill them if they used a body lotion after shower from time to time :P Touching dry skin is unpleasant. It's a bit distracting when during a foreplay you start thinking: "Geez, he has a skin like a grater, ewww." ;)
True lol
this mythical creature, the Western Male.
LOL
I can proudly say atleast Polish men are in great physical shape compared to the rest of the continent.
Wow, wait a minute, now you're exaggerating lol
Maybe if Western Europe didn't sit around while we were battling Germany/Russia
Woah, "politics of memory" brought to a new level o_O
they can spend whatever they earn on their look
What? xD Come on, that's bull$hit. Men in Poland often think that caring too much after their looks is unmanly. And let's be honest, some men are simply lazy. Women usually put more effort in looking good, because they know how important it is.
there are very few 'extraordinarily' handsome men in Poland
Damn, you have some issues, dude o_O
There is no abundance of 'extraordinarily' handsome men in any country in the West or I would have heard about it and I would have seen it.
And I haven't. Even in Italy and France where women usually expect the hottest guys.
If I ever hear Polish women comparing Polish men vs men from the West they usually don't compare their physical features but the way they dress, the way they carry themselves, the way they behave, the way they treat women and what they say about women, their views, etc. ("Oh, Italian men are so cheerful, they smile all the time, they care after their looks, they pay you compliments and just walk up to you and chat up - this rarely happens to me in Poland! It's nice to be around them." etc. etc.)
If they compare the physical features they usually do it vs Southern men and that's usually about their complexion, colour of eyes and hair.
What a single man spends money on is very telling. I can get behind cars, sports, electronics, hobbies... but hair products? No, not a turn on at all.
That's true that it puts off most women when a man spends more time on taking care of his looks than women do lol
However, some basic care won't hurt anyone. On the contrary. For example, some men have dry skin and they don't do anything about it. I'm sure it wouldn't kill them if they used a body lotion after shower from time to time :P Touching dry skin is unpleasant. It's a bit distracting when during a foreplay you start thinking: "Geez, he has a skin like a grater, ewww." ;)
Sigh... The moment Zimmy jumps on board, he turns any thread into anti-feminist platform.
True lol
Paulina
30 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
Are you from Holland by any chance? lol
I don't know, guys, you must have some kind of different perception. As I wrote already, most men looked pretty ordinary in every country I visited.
Polish men aren't some walking Adonises, but most men in other countries aren't either.
Get your feet to the ground a bit lol
Are you from Holland by any chance? lol
Personally I do see a lot of handsome guys from France, not to mention Scandinavia, Poland truly pales by comparison.
I don't know, guys, you must have some kind of different perception. As I wrote already, most men looked pretty ordinary in every country I visited.
Polish men aren't some walking Adonises, but most men in other countries aren't either.
Get your feet to the ground a bit lol
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
And I was abroad too. My female friends and acquaintances also.
FlaglessPole, I've been to a couple of Western countries and I'm telling you - I haven't noticed any abundance of handsome men in any of those countries. Most men look ordinary in all countries I've visited (and most men look ordinary in Poland too).
Are you telling me there are plenty of British Adonises chilling on the beaches of UK? Really? lol Or in the Netherlands maybe? Come on... ;D
Of course they were, which is exactly why they were able to compare. (It's only 5 and a half hour from Warsaw to Berlin by train and many go there to party.)
And I was abroad too. My female friends and acquaintances also.
FlaglessPole, I've been to a couple of Western countries and I'm telling you - I haven't noticed any abundance of handsome men in any of those countries. Most men look ordinary in all countries I've visited (and most men look ordinary in Poland too).
Spent some time in Mazury as well, chilling on a rather crowded grassy lake beach, nope maestro no slavic Adonises there either, just a bunch of speedophiles.
Are you telling me there are plenty of British Adonises chilling on the beaches of UK? Really? lol Or in the Netherlands maybe? Come on... ;D
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
Um... lol No, it isn't o_O
But the shape of his face is common in Polish men...
Um... lol No, it isn't o_O
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
Who, Kaczyński? lol No, even in Poland the two brothers were depicted as hamsters ;) Besides, he's over 60 years old - why are we even discussing him? :P
Who, Kaczyński? lol No, even in Poland the two brothers were depicted as hamsters ;) Besides, he's over 60 years old - why are we even discussing him? :P
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
Ah, that explains a lot. You still have a thing or two to learn, young padawan :)
Were those Polish females ever abroad?
You know, the funny thing is - I don't really notice that much of a difference, or any difference at all (it depends on the country, of course, since I have my preferences) in the handsomeness of Polish men vs Western men (btw, Western men in all Western countries? Are you serious? lol)
But I do watch one Russian channel from time to time and I notice the same thing - women who work in news and actresses are often stunning and many men are far from that. I've never been to Russia so I don't know what it looks like on the ground. On the other hand, I've read comments of Russian women who live in Poland and they often prefer the looks of Russian men - they write they're more manly. And Polish women often say Western men are too metrosexual, in comparisment to Polish men lol
So, it seems the issue is a bit more complicated lol
xD
I'm sorry but that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on this forum ;D
A lot of Polish men don't shave their heads :)
I suspect that's the case.
There's some truth to it... lol
This doesn't mean you're handsome yet ;) Besides, it's always the personality that wins for me in the end and it looks like you loose in this department :P
LOL +1000
lose, sorry lol
I'm a young graduate student
Ah, that explains a lot. You still have a thing or two to learn, young padawan :)
And by the way my observation doesn't get any less valid just because I'm not a Polish woman, even though the issue did come up in a few conversations while in Poland (with Polish females)
Were those Polish females ever abroad?
Because it is very noticeable, particularly for someone from outside. All my friends visiting Poland say exactly the same thing; Polish women yes, Polish men meh.
You know, the funny thing is - I don't really notice that much of a difference, or any difference at all (it depends on the country, of course, since I have my preferences) in the handsomeness of Polish men vs Western men (btw, Western men in all Western countries? Are you serious? lol)
But I do watch one Russian channel from time to time and I notice the same thing - women who work in news and actresses are often stunning and many men are far from that. I've never been to Russia so I don't know what it looks like on the ground. On the other hand, I've read comments of Russian women who live in Poland and they often prefer the looks of Russian men - they write they're more manly. And Polish women often say Western men are too metrosexual, in comparisment to Polish men lol
So, it seems the issue is a bit more complicated lol
Ok, weird shaped faces and fat tends to build up in their cheeks. With men, fat usually evenly distributes around the body but with Polish men, it tends to concentrate in their faces.
xD
I'm sorry but that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on this forum ;D
Also, it doesn't help when a lot of Polish men shave their heads.
A lot of Polish men don't shave their heads :)
I don't think Polish men are any...uglier than their European counterparts, it's just that they tend to not take as much care of their look, in general. But things seem to change (they always do after all).
I suspect that's the case.
All those aspects help fuel the perception. If Spain was cloudy and raining, the perception would also be different. If Poland had beaches with men laying around all day tanning.....perception would be differen
There's some truth to it... lol
Hey you just admitted you like guys like me. Guess what? My heritage includes Native American and Italian. I have olive skin and dark hair. :P
This doesn't mean you're handsome yet ;) Besides, it's always the personality that wins for me in the end and it looks like you loose in this department :P
Guys why don't you just start a thread like : Foreign men: what do you think of Polish men? (only negative opinions welcome) and there you can circle jerk and boost your egos by bashing Polish males xD
LOL +1000
you loose in this department
lose, sorry lol
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
And Italian women like blue eyed blondes :) And Italian men are absolutely crazy about blue eyed blond women (even if they aren't that pretty) :)
Many people find what's different attractive.
xD
Are you trying to cheer yourself up by the expense of Polish men? ;) Because it looks like it, to be honest :P
What do you mean by "goofy"? Some men are goofy (as far as I understand "goofy"), some aren't. It doesn't depend on nationality.
I don't do conspiracy theories ;) I get a bad vibe, that's all.
It seems many women prefer this.
And Italian women like blue eyed blondes :) And Italian men are absolutely crazy about blue eyed blond women (even if they aren't that pretty) :)
Many people find what's different attractive.
at least British men don't look goofy like Polish men.
xD
Are you trying to cheer yourself up by the expense of Polish men? ;) Because it looks like it, to be honest :P
What do you mean by "goofy"? Some men are goofy (as far as I understand "goofy"), some aren't. It doesn't depend on nationality.
It is rather queer that him and "pierogi2000" come on at the same time. One criticises Poland constantly, the other makes Poland look like a racist backwater. And they're both obsessed with racial issues. hmmm.
I don't do conspiracy theories ;) I get a bad vibe, that's all.
Paulina
29 Sep 2013
Love / Polish women: what do you think of Polish men? Physically unattractive? [180]
The UK - no, the typical British man is way too pink and porky lol
France - maybe, but that's because I like men with dark hair, eyes and not pale, but they're too metrosexual and talk like "pussies", as men call it (sorry :P)
Ireland - no, but the accent helps ;)
Someone mentioned Germany - no o_O I don't like the typical Germanic look in general, Scandinavian look - either.
On a more serious note :) There are all kinds of men in all kinds of countries. I've been to the West, someone mentioned Berlin, I think - yes, I've been there too and only one German man made me stare (he had the typical German look but was very handsome nevertheless). Besides, Berlin is so multicultural that there's no point in comparing it to Poland, imho.
Really? I must say I'm surprised by this since I've known a few women my age and younger who either live in the UK or were working there.
I've met a few British men in my city too and I definitely wouldn't say they were more handsome than Polish men. Only one of them could be called more or less handsome (I mean his face), but he was also very tall, skinny and a bit goofy.
That's true. But young girls like this "feminine look", I've noticed.
A voice of reason lol
You guys should understand that there are women who like the metrosexual dandy types, slim (or even skinny) with pretty faces and there are women who prefer more masculine looks. Jude Law may have a face as pretty as a doll, but he just doesn't work for me.
Of course, there's always the ideal type - a handsome face with nice body, but I guess the biggest condensation of those are in the US, not in Europe ;) Well, maybe the South of Europe has sth to show, but again, that's my personal preference, and I've seen some really unattractive men and boys in Italy (and the gel on their hair really doesn't help either lol). And, again, I didn't really see any abundance of handsome men in Italy (or any other Western country I've been to). Italian men simply dress different and have different temperament.
Polish women often find the exotic looks of Southern men attractive but at the same time Italian men, for example, are viewed as cheaters using pretty words, more air than substance. I also know some girls who really like Hungarians :)
I think that not only looks matter for women when we consider whether someone is attractive or not. Some man can be objectively handsome but not considered hot, sexy but many women.
And for some women anything foreign is considered exotic and thus more interesting than what can be found in their home countries ;)
LOL
;)
+1 I def get a bad vibe from McDouche lol
Yeah, reading this thread was hilarious :D
No, really, this thread is silly :)
I am not seeking to start any conflicts here, but I have noticed that many Polish women have said Polish men are not as physically attractive as men in western countries such as the UK, France, Ireland, Netherlands, etc..
The UK - no, the typical British man is way too pink and porky lol
France - maybe, but that's because I like men with dark hair, eyes and not pale, but they're too metrosexual and talk like "pussies", as men call it (sorry :P)
Ireland - no, but the accent helps ;)
Someone mentioned Germany - no o_O I don't like the typical Germanic look in general, Scandinavian look - either.
On a more serious note :) There are all kinds of men in all kinds of countries. I've been to the West, someone mentioned Berlin, I think - yes, I've been there too and only one German man made me stare (he had the typical German look but was very handsome nevertheless). Besides, Berlin is so multicultural that there's no point in comparing it to Poland, imho.
It is not unusual to hear a Polish woman say British men are more handsome than Polish men.
Really? I must say I'm surprised by this since I've known a few women my age and younger who either live in the UK or were working there.
I've met a few British men in my city too and I definitely wouldn't say they were more handsome than Polish men. Only one of them could be called more or less handsome (I mean his face), but he was also very tall, skinny and a bit goofy.
Male models are not masculine-looking.
That's true. But young girls like this "feminine look", I've noticed.
Is there a point to argue about personal preferences? One like apple the most, other prefer oranges.
A voice of reason lol
You guys should understand that there are women who like the metrosexual dandy types, slim (or even skinny) with pretty faces and there are women who prefer more masculine looks. Jude Law may have a face as pretty as a doll, but he just doesn't work for me.
Of course, there's always the ideal type - a handsome face with nice body, but I guess the biggest condensation of those are in the US, not in Europe ;) Well, maybe the South of Europe has sth to show, but again, that's my personal preference, and I've seen some really unattractive men and boys in Italy (and the gel on their hair really doesn't help either lol). And, again, I didn't really see any abundance of handsome men in Italy (or any other Western country I've been to). Italian men simply dress different and have different temperament.
Polish women often find the exotic looks of Southern men attractive but at the same time Italian men, for example, are viewed as cheaters using pretty words, more air than substance. I also know some girls who really like Hungarians :)
I think that not only looks matter for women when we consider whether someone is attractive or not. Some man can be objectively handsome but not considered hot, sexy but many women.
And for some women anything foreign is considered exotic and thus more interesting than what can be found in their home countries ;)
I do have to admit that I made close to the same comment to my Polish friend that I was traveling with last Summer (in Poland) that the women were much more pleasant to look at then the men. But then again I'm a guy :)
LOL
;)
As for "some things", given the amount of times that you degenerate Poland on here, one has to wonder what your real motive is.
+1 I def get a bad vibe from McDouche lol
Damn. We need more women in this thread. Right now this is a men discussing men.
Yeah, reading this thread was hilarious :D
No, really, this thread is silly :)
Paulina
21 Sep 2013
Genealogy / Want to find a person [762]
It's Budy Głogowskie - it's a village around Rzeszów:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_G%C5%82ogowskie
mapy.eholiday.pl/mapa-budy_glogowskie-glogow_malopolski-rzeszow.html
"Woj Rzeszow" is most probably an abbreviation of "województwo rzeszowskie" which means "Rzeszów Voivodeship".
Rzeszów Voivodeship doesn't exist anymore, it was superseded by Podkarpackie Voivodeship in 1998:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzesz%C3%B3w_Voivodeship
36-060 is a postal code of Budy Głogowskie and some other villages and towns in Podkarpackie Voivodeship, in Rzeszów powiat (powiat is an equivalent to a county, district or prefecture in other countries).
It's Budy Głogowskie - it's a village around Rzeszów:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budy_G%C5%82ogowskie
mapy.eholiday.pl/mapa-budy_glogowskie-glogow_malopolski-rzeszow.html
Is there a better English translation of it.
"Woj Rzeszow" is most probably an abbreviation of "województwo rzeszowskie" which means "Rzeszów Voivodeship".
Rzeszów Voivodeship doesn't exist anymore, it was superseded by Podkarpackie Voivodeship in 1998:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzesz%C3%B3w_Voivodeship
36-060 is a postal code of Budy Głogowskie and some other villages and towns in Podkarpackie Voivodeship, in Rzeszów powiat (powiat is an equivalent to a county, district or prefecture in other countries).
Paulina
10 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
Really? Then what does it equal?
And what are those values?
What are those disastrous effects?
Sorry, kondzior, but computer games usually aren't famous for realism in general :) It's not like in real life there are first aid kits and mana potions lying everywhere :)))
I'm not talking about "a bit of a cleavage", I'm talking about metal bikinis while men are completely covered in armour, you can't even see the eyes lol
Oh, and don't start me on comic books! lol Even some men joke about female costumes, here's an example:
nebezial.deviantart.com/art/ever-wonder-how-black-cat-keeps-her-costume-on-344144784
Btw, it's usually men who make games and comic books. And both games and comic books are usually made for boys and men. So they get what they want.
Kondzior, what about those commercials and films?
Sorry, it should be "flaw", not "fault" ;)
don't get me started
*sigh*
;)
Patriarchy doesn't equal oppression of women, that's feminist thinking.
Really? Then what does it equal?
Patriarchy is just set of values which i believe are fundamental to the progression of a society.
And what are those values?
Today we live in a culture centered around a complete rejection of patriarchal ideals, and the effects are disastrous. That is the root of my argument.
What are those disastrous effects?
Yeah, don't make me laugh. Toady strong, independant female game characters, able to beat any man, are pushed down our throats,
Sorry, kondzior, but computer games usually aren't famous for realism in general :) It's not like in real life there are first aid kits and mana potions lying everywhere :)))
and if even a bit of a cleavage is shown, feminists would cry "sexsizm", "objectification" etc.
I'm not talking about "a bit of a cleavage", I'm talking about metal bikinis while men are completely covered in armour, you can't even see the eyes lol
Oh, and don't start me on comic books! lol Even some men joke about female costumes, here's an example:
nebezial.deviantart.com/art/ever-wonder-how-black-cat-keeps-her-costume-on-344144784
Btw, it's usually men who make games and comic books. And both games and comic books are usually made for boys and men. So they get what they want.
Kondzior, what about those commercials and films?
The fault of your logic
Sorry, it should be "flaw", not "fault" ;)
and don't start me
don't get me started
*sigh*
;)
Paulina
10 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
"A Theory Of Civilization" by Philip Atkinson. I didn't know who this Philip Atkinson was so I googled him. Is this the same guy who believed that George W. Bush should abolish American democracy and establish himself as a dictator and throw out all Arabs from Iraq? :D
I wonder what would I find if I checked other links too lol
Unrelated sources? You mean right-wing/conservative leaning sources?
Tsk-tsk. And you think women aren't trying to fit in? I don't see you guys wearing skirts, dresses, but we women wear trousers. Some even wear ties. One of my female bosses was wearing no make-up, completely short hair, almost invisible earings and greyish, elegant but dull clothes. I've noticed Polish female MP's, for some reason, have short hair too. I also often alter my behaviour a bit when I'm dealing with men.
And computer games probably also? Yeah, all those almost naked women with their armour barely covering their nipples, don't make me laugh :D
I obviously can't watch too much US commercials here in Poland but there are plenty of American films on Polish TV and in cinemas and I can tell you that you must be really biased and delusional.
No? Then give examples of those commercials and films.
You mean that guy in red-blue pajamas? lol I always thought he's the most gay of all superheroes :)
Perhaps there is, but blaming everything you think is wrong in societies on feminization is silly and illogical lol
You haven't demolished anything, dismissing my argument because I linked to Wikipedia isn't "demolishing" anything, I demolished your silly theories by using... logic and evidence :)
I didn't keep calling for anything. I stated that if you were writing such theories and comments about Jews or black people you would be suspended and that was the truth. I've noticed that reactions to what you were writing were pretty mild (except for sobieski, who called you "a facist" I think). I don't think it would be the case if it was about Jews or black people. So, I wasn't calling for your suspension, since you're a pretty good example of a male chauvinist for everybody to see (a type that I would call "a theorist" = everything bad is the fault of women, feminization, etc. lol), but writing about something that irked me.
"Towering intelllect"... OMG ;D Kondzior, discussing with you is like playing chess with a five-year-old who throws pawns on the chessboard left and right and screams "I've won, I've won" ;D I like playing chess, but I prefer to do it with adults :)
You're a great example showing that men fail at logic easily, just like anybody, when they're prejudiced. It's a shame you put so much intellectual effort into making so many stupid theories.
You can't see past your prejudices and conservative views. They impair your reasoning.
And that's the fault of women/feminization too? :D
You clearly have no knowledge or understanding of art. Depictive arts were greatly valued in the times when there was no... photography.
Because of photography there's no such demand for realism in art. Why paint for months or years if it takes a few seconds to take a photo?
Furthermore, art, as everything is changing and it was changing when it was still men that dominated everything, including art.
It was a man who put a porcelain urinal into a gallery and called it "Fountain" - Marcel Duchamp - I hope you don't mind a Wikipedia link :):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29
Pablo Picasso, you've heard of him? Still a man.
Impressionists? People like their art, it's popular because it's pretty, but they, as many before them and many after them, were revolutionists, scorned by traditionalists.
Btw, I like traditional art, can't say I'm a big fan of porcelain urinals in galleries, but there are some interesting things in modern art too. Modern art seems to be more intellectual, I guess.
It doesn't mean there are no traditional artists nowadays, both men and women.
"Everybody is just so fuc*king miserable"? Maybe you are?
Thanks, but I prefer Wisława Szymborska :)
It was opression, not 'opression'. Many women are still opressed in parts of the world. And it was wrong and it is wrong, no matter how many Mozarts or Hitlers the societies of the past produced.
The fault of your logic is that you attribute all the changes you don't like in our civilisation to women gaining more rights.
But it's the other way around. Women gained rights because our civillisation has changed. It evolved. Slavery was abolished, serfdom was abolished, many women gained equal rights with men. Panta rhei, everything changes.
If you want to live in a country where women have almost no rights, then go to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Kongo which is "the rape capital of the world". I'm sure they produced many Goethes and Mozarts for you :)
+1000 ;)
I'm always fascinated by such people, after all, there are so many more interesting and productive things to do in life, even when you're bored, than feeding your prejudices. I mean, there are tons of evidence of all kinds of evil, decay, bad work and everything lame and disgusting done by men, and If I wanted I could spend my days searching the internet reading about this stuff and making all kinds of theories. Still plenty of evil done to women by men and societies in general all around the world. And yet I don't write whole essays on internet forums trying to prove that men are inferior to women and the fact that they have rights is the root cause of all problems and misfortune lol :)
Data about the difference between patrist and matrist values
"A Theory Of Civilization" by Philip Atkinson. I didn't know who this Philip Atkinson was so I googled him. Is this the same guy who believed that George W. Bush should abolish American democracy and establish himself as a dictator and throw out all Arabs from Iraq? :D
I wonder what would I find if I checked other links too lol
As you can see, this sh!t is all over the chart, often from completely unrelated sources
Unrelated sources? You mean right-wing/conservative leaning sources?
However, it's apparent the only way for us men to fit in is to become like women. And that's where things get tricky,
Tsk-tsk. And you think women aren't trying to fit in? I don't see you guys wearing skirts, dresses, but we women wear trousers. Some even wear ties. One of my female bosses was wearing no make-up, completely short hair, almost invisible earings and greyish, elegant but dull clothes. I've noticed Polish female MP's, for some reason, have short hair too. I also often alter my behaviour a bit when I'm dealing with men.
You see it on commercials, where men are always portrayed as football loving imbeciles as opposed to their often frustrated, intellectually superior significant others. You see it in movies, where female values are always glorified and women are always held as perfect creatures of impeccable moral rectitude as opposed to us weak, morally corrupt pigs. F*ck, even our so called 'male' entertainment is geared mostly for women.
And computer games probably also? Yeah, all those almost naked women with their armour barely covering their nipples, don't make me laugh :D
I obviously can't watch too much US commercials here in Poland but there are plenty of American films on Polish TV and in cinemas and I can tell you that you must be really biased and delusional.
No? Then give examples of those commercials and films.
Have you seen the last Superman? What was once the very definition of manliness
You mean that guy in red-blue pajamas? lol I always thought he's the most gay of all superheroes :)
There's a fine line between equality and tilting the balance for reversed oppression.
Perhaps there is, but blaming everything you think is wrong in societies on feminization is silly and illogical lol
All my posts where I have demolished your arguments have been deleted, though.
You haven't demolished anything, dismissing my argument because I linked to Wikipedia isn't "demolishing" anything, I demolished your silly theories by using... logic and evidence :)
You kept calling for my suspension,
I didn't keep calling for anything. I stated that if you were writing such theories and comments about Jews or black people you would be suspended and that was the truth. I've noticed that reactions to what you were writing were pretty mild (except for sobieski, who called you "a facist" I think). I don't think it would be the case if it was about Jews or black people. So, I wasn't calling for your suspension, since you're a pretty good example of a male chauvinist for everybody to see (a type that I would call "a theorist" = everything bad is the fault of women, feminization, etc. lol), but writing about something that irked me.
when you realised you are unable to face my towering intellect. Femininsm in a nutshell.
"Towering intelllect"... OMG ;D Kondzior, discussing with you is like playing chess with a five-year-old who throws pawns on the chessboard left and right and screams "I've won, I've won" ;D I like playing chess, but I prefer to do it with adults :)
You're a great example showing that men fail at logic easily, just like anybody, when they're prejudiced. It's a shame you put so much intellectual effort into making so many stupid theories.
You can't see past your prejudices and conservative views. They impair your reasoning.
Science today is only seen from the direct benefits it can give to people (or corporations) where unfettered research is considered useless (Nasa is a common victim of this).
And that's the fault of women/feminization too? :D
The type of sh!t that passes as 'art' today has managed to alienate society to the point only popular art (popular music, comic books, video games ect.) is appreciated, most of which is kiddie art.
You clearly have no knowledge or understanding of art. Depictive arts were greatly valued in the times when there was no... photography.
Because of photography there's no such demand for realism in art. Why paint for months or years if it takes a few seconds to take a photo?
Furthermore, art, as everything is changing and it was changing when it was still men that dominated everything, including art.
It was a man who put a porcelain urinal into a gallery and called it "Fountain" - Marcel Duchamp - I hope you don't mind a Wikipedia link :):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29
Pablo Picasso, you've heard of him? Still a man.
Impressionists? People like their art, it's popular because it's pretty, but they, as many before them and many after them, were revolutionists, scorned by traditionalists.
Btw, I like traditional art, can't say I'm a big fan of porcelain urinals in galleries, but there are some interesting things in modern art too. Modern art seems to be more intellectual, I guess.
It doesn't mean there are no traditional artists nowadays, both men and women.
Happiness has nothing to do with empty slogans such as 'freedom', or 'personal 'rights', but has everything to do with the morale of a healthy society. Today, many people are able to enjoy more wealth, more liberty and more freedom then any king in any point in history, yet, it looks like everybody is just so fuc*king miserable and our entire way of living is becoming more and more deranged.
"Everybody is just so fuc*king miserable"? Maybe you are?
If you want to know what an happy society is capable of, read some Goethe,
Thanks, but I prefer Wisława Szymborska :)
or listen to some Mozart, and think both men and the incredibly uplifting art they produced lived during an age of totalitarian kings and the shameless 'oppression' of women.
It was opression, not 'opression'. Many women are still opressed in parts of the world. And it was wrong and it is wrong, no matter how many Mozarts or Hitlers the societies of the past produced.
The fault of your logic is that you attribute all the changes you don't like in our civilisation to women gaining more rights.
But it's the other way around. Women gained rights because our civillisation has changed. It evolved. Slavery was abolished, serfdom was abolished, many women gained equal rights with men. Panta rhei, everything changes.
If you want to live in a country where women have almost no rights, then go to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Kongo which is "the rape capital of the world". I'm sure they produced many Goethes and Mozarts for you :)
PMSL lol lol lol...
mate if you had any kind of intellect you might be doing more with your life than sitting in your parents' basement spending hours putting hate-filled posts on the internet.
mate if you had any kind of intellect you might be doing more with your life than sitting in your parents' basement spending hours putting hate-filled posts on the internet.
+1000 ;)
I'm always fascinated by such people, after all, there are so many more interesting and productive things to do in life, even when you're bored, than feeding your prejudices. I mean, there are tons of evidence of all kinds of evil, decay, bad work and everything lame and disgusting done by men, and If I wanted I could spend my days searching the internet reading about this stuff and making all kinds of theories. Still plenty of evil done to women by men and societies in general all around the world. And yet I don't write whole essays on internet forums trying to prove that men are inferior to women and the fact that they have rights is the root cause of all problems and misfortune lol :)
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
We aren't? Why not?
Sorry, Nile, but this whole thread is one big sidetracking. Zimmy is writing about American feminists and the reality of the US, kondzior about ancient Sparta and Athens lol
All of this doesn't have much to do with "Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up", if you haven't noticed yet.
We are not debating Bangladeshi slums.
We aren't? Why not?
Unless you are living in a country which refuses women the right to vote you are sidetracking.
Sorry, Nile, but this whole thread is one big sidetracking. Zimmy is writing about American feminists and the reality of the US, kondzior about ancient Sparta and Athens lol
All of this doesn't have much to do with "Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up", if you haven't noticed yet.
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
I did.
That bias may be the focus of feminists in the West, but there are other parts of the world too, you know.
Did you read those definitions of feminism I've quoted?
Erm... In what way am I sidetracking? o_O
I think you should read my post in full.
I did.
That bias may be the focus of feminists in the West, but there are other parts of the world too, you know.
Did you read those definitions of feminism I've quoted?
You are sidetracking and we both know it.
Erm... In what way am I sidetracking? o_O
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
"Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.[3]"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
"feminism, the belief in the social, economic, and political equality of the sexes. Although largely originating in the West, feminism is manifested worldwide and is represented by various institutions committed to activity on behalf of women's rights and interests."
britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/724633/feminism
They aren't in my country. But there are countries were women don't have basic rights.
Using such expression like "feminism" as a synonymous of equal rights can only a person lacking intelligence or common sense.
"Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.[3]"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
"feminism, the belief in the social, economic, and political equality of the sexes. Although largely originating in the West, feminism is manifested worldwide and is represented by various institutions committed to activity on behalf of women's rights and interests."
britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/724633/feminism
All those rights you mentioned are are not threatened.
They aren't in my country. But there are countries were women don't have basic rights.
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
Thanks for the info, I didn't know there's such a solution in the UK.
Thanks for the info, I didn't know there's such a solution in the UK.
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
The right to vote in elections, to be a candidate in elections, to work, to drive a car, to study both at school and at univeristy, to not be aborted during pregnancy because one is a female, to be allowed to go outside and do shopping without a male companion, to be able to get custody rights over your children after the divorce, to not be thrown out of your house with your children taken away by your in-laws after your husband's death, to not be sold as a wife to some man without your consent, to not have your clitoris removed, etc. etc. etc.
Who pays it then? The state or the employer?
lol
Interesting, I imagine it wouldn't be a popular solution, though ;)
Could you explain your understanding of the expression "equal rights" in the light of male versus female context?
The right to vote in elections, to be a candidate in elections, to work, to drive a car, to study both at school and at univeristy, to not be aborted during pregnancy because one is a female, to be allowed to go outside and do shopping without a male companion, to be able to get custody rights over your children after the divorce, to not be thrown out of your house with your children taken away by your in-laws after your husband's death, to not be sold as a wife to some man without your consent, to not have your clitoris removed, etc. etc. etc.
But where I am, the UK, we do indeed have such a scheme. It's called Statutory Maternity Pay (SMP).
Who pays it then? The state or the employer?
You could always introduce a chidless tax for thsoe not helping to solve the demographic crisis.
lol
Interesting, I imagine it wouldn't be a popular solution, though ;)
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
No $hit, brother. I didn't write anyone was.
And what "baseless personal accusations" did I make?
Nothing, obviously. What is there to be done about this? I don't live in those countries, I have no influence over what's going on in there.
No, you're wrong.
I've watched a BBC documentary not so long ago about so called "torture camps" in Sudan. People migrating for work to Saudi Arabia are travelling through Sudan and are caught by armed men and put to those torture camps. Women are raped and men are tortured until their families pay ransom to buy them out. One girl said that whatever you can imagine they do it to people there. People are burned with cigarettes, they have their eyes burned out, limbs broken, there was one guy who was paralysed from waist down - they've beaten him so badly.
You think I don't care about those tortured men? Are you going to ask me how much do I care about them; i.e. what am I doing about them too?
Sure there are people who care only about their own, both women and men. They care only about their family or only their compatriots or only their sex or only their fellow believers. I try not to be one of those people.
Foreigner4, in all honesty, I don't know such "feminists". Blocking a run for prostate cancer would be really shocking, I don't think anything like that would be possible in Poland.
Are you American, Foreigner4?
I don't know, Polonius3, maybe. But then childless people would probably whine anyway that they have to pay so other people can have children.
No one's excited about you over here sister;
No $hit, brother. I didn't write anyone was.
I just thought it might be entertaining to see how the other side of the aisle in this debate deals with baseless personal accusations for a change.
And what "baseless personal accusations" did I make?
Okay, fine, you care about them. So how much do you care about them; i.e. what are you doing about "them?"
Nothing, obviously. What is there to be done about this? I don't live in those countries, I have no influence over what's going on in there.
On the contrary, it's you who is delusional. You don't care about males as a group, you only care about the men related to you, the others are disposable and you wouldn't dream of investing even a tenth of the emotional investment you have for "women's rights" for anything exclusively male related.
No, you're wrong.
I've watched a BBC documentary not so long ago about so called "torture camps" in Sudan. People migrating for work to Saudi Arabia are travelling through Sudan and are caught by armed men and put to those torture camps. Women are raped and men are tortured until their families pay ransom to buy them out. One girl said that whatever you can imagine they do it to people there. People are burned with cigarettes, they have their eyes burned out, limbs broken, there was one guy who was paralysed from waist down - they've beaten him so badly.
You think I don't care about those tortured men? Are you going to ask me how much do I care about them; i.e. what am I doing about them too?
Sure there are people who care only about their own, both women and men. They care only about their family or only their compatriots or only their sex or only their fellow believers. I try not to be one of those people.
Foreigner4, in all honesty, I don't know such "feminists". Blocking a run for prostate cancer would be really shocking, I don't think anything like that would be possible in Poland.
Are you American, Foreigner4?
If we are for free enterpise, then the entrepreneur should not be penalised.
I don't know, Polonius3, maybe. But then childless people would probably whine anyway that they have to pay so other people can have children.
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
Englishman, I just want you to know, and all others, that it's really heart-warming that there are men like you, bluesfan, Polson, sobieski, etc. etc. and I really, really appreciate what you guys were writing here.
It brings back my faith in humanity, really... lol
;)
Englishman, I just want you to know, and all others, that it's really heart-warming that there are men like you, bluesfan, Polson, sobieski, etc. etc. and I really, really appreciate what you guys were writing here.
It brings back my faith in humanity, really... lol
;)
Paulina
5 Aug 2013
Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]
Yes.
I'm not writing about parity, but about equal rights and opportunities.
Sure, Polonius3, because women don't do all those easy, cushy, prestigious jobs like cleaning ladies, hotel maids, nurses, care attendants, teachers, kindergarten teachers, cashiers, factory workers :) All men would just love to work as those, right?
But just in case any man would like to work as a cleaning... erm... gentleman? or a nurse - they should not be discriminated based on their sex.
What about it? What about parental leave (fathers can take it too, you know)? What about sick leave?
Well, Polonius3, there's one thing men still can't do, unfortunately, and that's giving birth to children. It ain't our fault that it's us who have to bear the children. If the employers would start firing women who get pregnant it's possible that the birth rate would drop dramatically.
I guess one can dispute that whether the employer should bear the entire brunt of that situation, just as in case of the sick leave. I guess it's a humane solution and common sense, really. Someone has to bear children and people need money to raise them so they could work and pay for your retirement. I guess it's a kind of social agreement?
And would you oppose that if it was the woman who gave birth to the child and the father who would take care of the baby in the early stages taking the parental leave? Would that be OK with you?
Do you have kids, Polonius3?
Foreigner4, you know "a flying fcuk" about me and what I care about and what I understand.
Calm down o_O
That's really sad that you think this way. Perhaps don't judge others by yourself?
The fact that women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia doesn't affect my life. The fact that in regions in Afghanistan girls can't go to school doesn't affect my life. But it sure pi$$es me off. It pi$$es me off that when a woman is raped in Dubai and reports it to the police she has to provide four male Muslim witnesses of the rape (LOL!) or she will be imprisoned for illegal sex. It pi$$es me off that there are less women then there should be in India and China because of gender based abortions (women are kidnapped for "wives" in China because of that). It pi$$es me off that young girls have their clitoris removed and vagina entrance sewn (so it would be "smaller") and are sold like cattle for wives in Africa. And all kinds of other things pi$$ me off too.
So don't tell me whether I care about those women. I do. I'm that sort of person that cares, about people in general, really. Sometimes too much even, I'd say.
And what is this "male perspective"?
I've noticed that for certain men the fact that women are "different" means they are "inferior". That's what kondzior tried to prove in all his comments with his silly theories. Most of his comments in this thread are about this.
What the hell are you talking about?
I have a brother, you know? And a father. And male cousins. Anyone who would try to hurt them would have to step over my dead body first. You're delusional.
Including the right to work in a colliery or sewer, as a deep-sea fisherperson, bin collector and street sweeper?
Yes.
Total parity would have to apply to all fiields of endeavour.
I'm not writing about parity, but about equal rights and opportunities.
Somehow feminists want the cushy, well-paid, managerial or otherwise prestigious posts and are happy to leave the hard, dirty and dangerous jobs to men.
Sure, Polonius3, because women don't do all those easy, cushy, prestigious jobs like cleaning ladies, hotel maids, nurses, care attendants, teachers, kindergarten teachers, cashiers, factory workers :) All men would just love to work as those, right?
But just in case any man would like to work as a cleaning... erm... gentleman? or a nurse - they should not be discriminated based on their sex.
And if there is to be equal pay for equal job performance in any field, what is to be done about maternity?
What about it? What about parental leave (fathers can take it too, you know)? What about sick leave?
Must the employer bear the entire brunt of that situation, be caught short-handed and/or have to dismiss a freshly trained replacement after the mother returns to her job?
It's easy to bandy slogans such a 'equality' and 'parity' about, but what about their practical implementation?
It's easy to bandy slogans such a 'equality' and 'parity' about, but what about their practical implementation?
Well, Polonius3, there's one thing men still can't do, unfortunately, and that's giving birth to children. It ain't our fault that it's us who have to bear the children. If the employers would start firing women who get pregnant it's possible that the birth rate would drop dramatically.
I guess one can dispute that whether the employer should bear the entire brunt of that situation, just as in case of the sick leave. I guess it's a humane solution and common sense, really. Someone has to bear children and people need money to raise them so they could work and pay for your retirement. I guess it's a kind of social agreement?
And would you oppose that if it was the woman who gave birth to the child and the father who would take care of the baby in the early stages taking the parental leave? Would that be OK with you?
Do you have kids, Polonius3?
You don't give a flying fcuk about the women in those countries anymore than you understand their cultures for all their good and bad points.
Foreigner4, you know "a flying fcuk" about me and what I care about and what I understand.
Calm down o_O
You just want to trumpet the case of anyone living in what you consider lesser circumstances so you can pretend that somehow affects you where you live. You don't care about the people in those places anymore than they care about you.
That's really sad that you think this way. Perhaps don't judge others by yourself?
The fact that women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia doesn't affect my life. The fact that in regions in Afghanistan girls can't go to school doesn't affect my life. But it sure pi$$es me off. It pi$$es me off that when a woman is raped in Dubai and reports it to the police she has to provide four male Muslim witnesses of the rape (LOL!) or she will be imprisoned for illegal sex. It pi$$es me off that there are less women then there should be in India and China because of gender based abortions (women are kidnapped for "wives" in China because of that). It pi$$es me off that young girls have their clitoris removed and vagina entrance sewn (so it would be "smaller") and are sold like cattle for wives in Africa. And all kinds of other things pi$$ me off too.
So don't tell me whether I care about those women. I do. I'm that sort of person that cares, about people in general, really. Sometimes too much even, I'd say.
But equality is a fabulous thing. The only problem is a lot of you can't seem to digest "different" doesn't automatically mean "inequality." There are differences in males and females but feminists, by and large, don't seem to acknowledge the male perspective in this AT ALL.
And what is this "male perspective"?
I've noticed that for certain men the fact that women are "different" means they are "inferior". That's what kondzior tried to prove in all his comments with his silly theories. Most of his comments in this thread are about this.
Feminists have no problem with boys being abused but scream like a banshee if a girl is called a name.
What the hell are you talking about?
I have a brother, you know? And a father. And male cousins. Anyone who would try to hurt them would have to step over my dead body first. You're delusional.