History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


That is a genuine concern. More serious than people are willing to admit.


Kurwa. This is the thread that annoyed me so much that I started five or six similar mock-threads, received a warning from the mods, was banned for a c*ntillion seconds, and spent several thousand PLN on professional therapy afterwards. It wasn't mental acrobatics... it was pawianism at its most scary and atrocious best. I almost forgot about it. I don't think I'm ready for this stuff yet.

*withdraws slowly from the thread*

History / Cursed soldiers controvercy - not all Poles respect them [320]


Well, if they later officially joined WiN or NZW, then it's different. But there were those who, after receiving the AK dissolution order, decided to stay in the forest and act on their own. So, basically, they ignored the order and did what they wanted to do. That's precisely the moment when a soldier becomes a bandit.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [252]


I suppose it's all a question of definitions. By fascists Pawian probably means nationalists, because there definitely isn't anything even close to "few thousand" of those who celebrate Hitler's birthdays. On the other hand, nationalists marched in Poznań recently - they gathered their forces from entire Wielkopolska and marched through the city centre.

The number of nationalists taking part in the grand march was 7 (yes, seven). Watch the first 10 seconds. :)



But Wielkopolska, although a large province, isn't the entire Poland, so I think we can safely assume that their total number is about fifteen (who knows, maybe even eighteen). :)

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


By all means, do so! Everyone's looking forward to reading the mental acrobatics - the crowd is impatient, the judges are waiting. :)

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Oh, definitely.

You know what they say: kill 50 best scientists, 50 best artists, 50 best doctors, engineers and army officers in any country and that country will never be the same.
Both Poland and the Soviet Union lost many more than 50, and we have no idea what they (or their children and grandchildren that they didn't have) might have achieved, I am not disputing that.

But the spirit of a nation is a thing extremely difficult to break in the long run. Look at Poland: partitions, quelled uprisings, patriots exiled or murdered, nazi genocide, 45 years of Soviet domination etc. - and look at Poland now, in 2024. Do we strike you as particularly tamed and malleable? Katyńs and Intelligenzaktionen can only work short term.


We already had this conversation, hadn't we? How likely do you think it is that I changed my mind? Not very likely, right?

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [252]


No. It also means local authorities, and it also means state administration. And when a decision is made to name a stadium after a mass murderer, or erect a monument or build a museum (like the Museum of Roman Shukhevych, for example) it all requires a decision and a permission from a local government clerk of some kind.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]


Wait a minute... what's going on here? Tacitus is actually talking sense!

*profoundly shocked*

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [252]


You mean fascists and SS glorifiers! I shall not close my eyes, because they are officially glorified by the current Ukrainian state! Imagine Heinrich Himmler Stadium in today's Germany and Adolf Hitler monuments all over the place.


Yes. Probably about fifteen (maybe eighteen). Even fewer than philatelists.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Most of the time you're spot on, but here I have to object. Rudderless and malleable? So how do you explain mass strikes and the Solidarity movement (about 10 million members at its peak)? You dominated Poland by sheer military force. Sure, some people fell for the ideology but not many; Poles remained staunchly religious and collectivisation in the Polish countryside was pretty much a failure. Damn, look even at our "commies", most of them sent their kids for the First Communion and Confirmation and Jaruzelski himself - when there was a risk of Soviet intervention - led the army out of their barracks in battle order and told his Soviet comrades: "I too have soldiers, товарищи".

Rudderless and malleable my arse. :)


Bring it on! I have my score cards ready.

*grabs popcorn*

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [252]


In a 40-million nation, how many of them? Do they have any real political representation or influence over everyday matters in Poland?

There are all kinds of sickf*cks in every nation - paedophiles, philatelists, you name it.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


My dad always said that economically it was always going to fall. And the lack of unemployment meant that work ethics suffered somewhat (to put it mildly).

I remember an incident vaguely but it is a good example of this lack of work ethics. We went to Bulgaria for our summer holidays... 1988, not long before the fall of the eastern bloc. When we were crossing the Soviet border my Dad talked to a Soviet customs officer and they joked, laughed and seemed to like each other. On our way back, it was quite late, we waited in the car queue and my Dad noticed that it was Grischa - the same celnik - on duty again, so he grabbed a big bottle of Slanchev Bryag brandy (it was all the rage back then) and he went to drink with his buddy. Upon entering the room he noticed that Grischa was alone there and wanted to just leave him the bottle, but Grischa said "don't worry about it, they'll wait", stopped working (it meant all the cars had to wait) and drank with my Dad for about half-an-hour... maybe 45 minutes. My Dad came back to the car (walking in not exactly a straight line) laughing, thinking it was the funniest thing in the world. My Mum wasn't as amused (also because she had to drive). Imagine if such thing happened in Poland today - the guy would be fired on the spot and if the newspapers found out it would be a huge scandal. As much as I can remember it was similar in many workplaces - people having a drink now and then and generally giving much less f*ck about everything. Untenable in the long run.


It was hardly Confederate States of America and Poland being the blacks was it? Sometimes people throw the word "slaves" and "enslavement" far too easily. It was definitely not enslavement for ordinary people, especially compared to the Nazi occupation.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


I posted it before but I will gladly post it again. Soviet army leaving Poland...

... not a single shot fired, echelons rolling in perfect order, soldiers smiling and waving their hands.

What a f*cking evil empire...


Gave away? In Algeria alone there were 1.5 million deaths (mostly civilians) and 2 million people resettled or displaced. The French... it fills me with shame that we taught them how to eat with a knife and fork... but that's off-topic in this thread. France is quite close to Western Ukraine in my favourite countries/regions ranking.


Things were not quite as simple as that. It might have ended up in quite a mess...

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Ask the United States, Canada, France, Brazil, Italy, Argentina and tens of other countries on every continent about the Poles who emigrated (basically ran away, and who can blame them?) during and after WW2. Besides, as Bobko said, don't forget that about 20% of pre-war Polish citizens were Ukrainians, Belarussians and Lithuanians.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

By the way...

... what the f*ck is that??? 2nd Ukrainian Lebensborn Division? FFFFF? F*ck For Fuhrer Female Forces? 0_0


Interesting. Could you please explain to those not as brilliantly informed how did you come to the brilliant conclusion that "Russians murdered Poles with greater zeal than the Germans"?

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Say what? You meant that Russians murdered Poles with greater zeal than the Germans?

It's September 1st today, Alien, not April 1st.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]


51st state - fully independent, always noble, sun shining right out of their arses. Why do you even have to ask?

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Of course UPA murdered Poles with greater zeal than the Germans. Quite right, Alien!


If only Red Army, AK and LWP soldiers carried stopwatches with them - they could time UPA and see how fast they ran. I bet some respectable results were achieved back then, even by today's athletic standards.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]

And those red-black flags waving in the wind... so many memories... so many historical connotations. They chose their heroes. They chose their identity.


As for Galicja - a clueless foreigner in Poland might think that the war is raging not in Donbass but somewhere close to L'viv, there's so many refugees from Western Ukraine in Poland!


Yes, poor things. Nazi armies rolled through Ukraine - they still didn't know what Nazism was. They exterminated Polish, Russian and Jewish civilians, and yet they still didn't know what Nazism was. Today they organise marches with torches and SS-uniforms, and I bet they STILL don't know what Nazism was. Poor, poor innocent little thingies.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]


Every international agreement can be revoked, especially one enforced by extremists (and Green Khmers are indeed extremists).

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Can't wait for the mental gymnastics. I bet it will be a masterful performance.

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


The SS bit seems to be missing there.


La ilaha illa Ukraina wa Stepan rasul UPA?


And they actually used genuine photos of SS soldiers there!

Mind boggles...

History / 70th anniversary of 1943 Wołyń/Volhynia and Eastern Galicia Massacre - controvercies [454]


Nah ja, Ukrainische Nr. 1. Sieg heil and all that.

Aber warum not call it by its proper name: 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS Galizien?


That was my first thought too.

*grabs popcorn and waits for mental gymnastics display from the usual suspects*

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

First to Fight: 1939



No more appeasing the monster, no more disgrace over honour - Poland will fight the nazi beast...

Abandoned by her allies, attacked from every direction on the entire length of the border, all alone...

Brave soldiers willing to lay their lives down for their country but poorly equipped and led by commanders ready for the previous war not this one...

85 years today... how the time flies...

CZEŚĆ I CHWAŁA BOHATEROM!

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

@Pawian

You got it.

But be vigilant like ważka w okresie rui and reprimand me if I stray from the path again.

Peace.

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

Ridicule? Far from it. A mere brotherly correction.

We are Poles. If our Latin is not correct, where are we in our lives?

Glad it was just a typo. Are you happy with the 2019 caesura?

News / Time to clean the swamp - dePiSification of Poland [324]


Pawian, one of the frozen chosen? Some time ago I though I was one of them but this episode in my life ended.

Pawian... a born again, regenerate monkey? Strange theology. ;)

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]


It's 'vitae'. Your Latin is getting rusty.

But OK... let's say the newest photos will be 2019. Happy now?

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

There were many photos very early in this thread which are hardly 'historic' (2023, 2024).

I don't see what your problem is. Campus Polska in Olsztyn already happened, so it's history now.

History / Pol-Shorpy Photo Thread [950]

This thread has evolved from historic photos only to quotidian scenes from everyday life and public events too.

News / Is NORD STREAM dangerous for Poland's natural enviroment? [540]

I think it is evident now that Tacitus is a Green Khmer. If his ilk prevails in the EU, Poland will have no other choice but to leave the union.

#saynotogreencommunism