Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?

I had a chat with one expert in this field, and she reckons that a large amount of it ended up in the USA after the war. It seems to be backed up by the way that stuff keeps appearing for auction over there...

Hmm, the reason might be different - the robbed items surface in American auctions more frequently coz owners are not aware of the origin of what they want to sell. In Europe it might be different - owners keep their dubious belongings to themselves and rarely show them to public in fear of consequences.

I was waiting till now to see if all those mock "Poles" who boast of their immense patriotism and love for Poland will mention the anniversary. No, they didn`t. Shame on them.

The march organised by nationalist groups is passing through Warsaa centre.
The German embassy lowered its flag.

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@pawian
I was busy helping out the family and commemorating it with a good meal.
Good initiative Pawian
1-0 to Pawian

Here`s a list of Polish celebrities who fought in the Warsaw Rising.

plejada.pl/zdjecia-gwiazd/ii-wojna-swiatowa-zakonczyla-sie-75-lat-temu-te-gwiazdy-walczyly-na-froncie/cxg72nv#slajd-4

E.g.,
Alina Janowska - Poles must know her from Wojna Domowa series or Moralność Pani Dulskiej film.

She was arrested on the night of 23 April 1942, accused of collaborating with the underground and helping a Jewish family. She was imprisoned for 7 months in Pawiak in Warsaw.[3] She was a member of the Warsaw Uprising, acting as a liaison official for the Battalion "Kiliński"

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The march

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About 1000 Warsaw insurgents still live.

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Triumph.

But to those who organized WWII it was a mere social experiment. As we all are.

It wasn't.

Wow, people still wear those "patriotic" clothes.

Which ones do you mean? Those with underground anchor sign are OK, I can see one T-shirt like this in the last photo. The rest are illegible to me.

More designs with Rising motifs
https://polishforums.com/life/poland-slogans-designs-shirts-represent-84910/#msg1703267

There are posts on Facebook (and probably on other social media )that try to ridicule the W hour in Warsaw. They say that the decision to start the uprising was a tragic one.

Personally, I think people want to pay their respects to the victims and survivors. That's how I feel about it.

Well, we have discussed it in this thread since the very beginning. Some people support Warsaw Rising as a Triumph of Spirit, other condemn it as a disaster.

That`s the comment from last year. It seems I will post it every year. :(:(:( "Patriots", where are you?

A few photos from the Rising - female participants

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If my task was to write the stupidest thing on the subject of the Warsaw Uprising, I would write this:

To prevent the Red Army from occupying more of Germany and to make sure Germans who just killed 17% of Poland's population felt better when the war was over, it was good and proper to pull off a suicidal stunt in Warsaw in August 1944 that led to the death of 200,000 Poles and the city in ruins.

The short version of the above: I should die now so Germans are happier later.

That's what one poster here claimed as one of the reasons for this idiocy.

Patriots and heroes die first. Often referred to as useful idiots or tools.

Only cowards and thugs are wise, just pick bones of those falled idiots and sh't on them with their usful skills as liars, thieves and chancers.

There are two kinds of heroes: (1) firemen who risk their lives to save others and (2) those who risk their lives for ideas and don't give a damn how many die along with them.

We mourn when the good heroes die. We should celebrate when the idiots do.

Go to Arlington Cemetery and sh't at all those idiots.

They don't bury there private volunteers like those a-holes who go to Ukraine. They bury there those who were drafted by force and those who enlisted voluntariiy, took a chance and lost. They didn't pick and choose their missions and causes. They were doing what they were told.

Their deaths are regrettable outcomes of the insane policies coming from DC.

These are not the people I have a problem with. I have a big problem with private zealots that kill for principle or for a "cause", not to defend their own. AK was not defending anyone. All they had to do is wait and watch the Germans run. In that sense, AK was the aggressor.

That is the reason they say that ignorance is a bliss. You are ignorant as to facts and that let you think up imaginary scenario.

There was only one thing that mattered - my 2-year-old ass. I almost died because of that stupid uprising. The rest was irrelevant crap and just another game of chess. What the idiots overlooked was that the Soviets are much better as chess players. So AK and 200,000 Poles lost.

While I am on the subject...Memo to the Germans who didn't let me starve and took me to safety: Thank you, guys.

See and you claim it was stupid. It was good for humanity. Germans recognized evil in you and came to your rescue.

What was?


I didn't care what Germans recognized. I cared when I recognized food and the roof over my head.

Humanity could then and can now go to hell as far as I and my "loved ones" are concerned. Would you put your life on the line for "humanity"? That was a rhetorical question. I hope you are not as stupid as your debating buddy.

your early demise.


I'm sure you don't care about a reason. That is not what I'm talking about.

I am going to shock you...I said it all on this subject and have nothing to add. If you want to be cute I am cool with that. There is always pawian...

A likely story.....

Present!

A new monument is unvelied every two, three years. . This one honours the youngest insurgent - Wojciech Zalewski, aged 11.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Zalewski_(powstaniec_warszawski)

After the outbreak of the Warsaw Uprising on August 1, 1944, he volunteered as a liaison officer for the 3rd platoon of Major Sgt. "Grzesia" - 5th company - 2nd Battalion "Lech Grzybowski" - Group "Chrobry II" - 1st District "Radwan" (Śródmieście) of the Home Army (he was the youngest soldier of the assault group of Sergeant "Grzes"). Despite his young age, he gained recognition from his comrades-in-arms when, on August 2, he broke through the German lines to the heavily manned Main Railway Station , from where he returned with a report about the forces, type of armament and grouping of enemy troops.

He died on August 21, 1944. His body was pulled out from under German fire by his comrades-in-arms, which was recorded by filmmakers from the Information and Propaganda Bureau of the Home Army Headquarters . The insurgent funeral of Wojtek Zalewski took place in the yard of the house at ul. Ceglana 3 [1] . After the war, his body was not found and exhumed.

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At the risk of repeating myself, clearly the Warsaw UPrising,was a triumph of the spirit, no two ways about it.

There is nothing to commemorate victory over red Russia in 1920.

There is currently a competition organised by the city to design such a monument for erection in Warsaw.

There are also monuments relating to individual battles in that war. They are in several cities.

This is however a thread about another matter; the Warsaw Uprising. Why not start a thread about the 1920 war if that interests you.