Warsaw Rising 1944 - National Disaster or Triumph of Spirit ?

Yes, I blame Soviets coz they were evil. The evil puppets of the Empire of Evil. In result, I reject commemorating Soviets in today`s Poland.

Can you blame me for being myself??? I am just a little pawn, a common Pole. :):):)

One more female photo and biography of

Maria Stypulkowska-Chojecka nom de guerre "Kama" (born September 24 , 1926 in Warsaw , died February 5 , 2016 there) - Polish educator , activist of the independence underground during World War II , liaison officer and paramedic of the "Parasol" battalion of the Home Army , participant of the Warsaw Uprising , honorary a citizen of Warsaw.

During the defense of Warsaw in September 1939, she took part in the scouts' war ambulance, performing auxiliary service at the Main Railway Station. In 1941, after her team was re-organized, she underwent training in Samaritan, nursing and communication courses. In the underground since August 3, 1942. She adopted the pseudonym "Kama", from the name of the heroine of Andrzej Strug's novel The History of One Bullet .

She participated in small sabotage operations " Wawer ". On August 1, 1943, she moved from the Gray Ranks to the " Agat " special unit of the Kedyw of the Home Army Headquarters (on the basis of which the "Parasol" battalion was created in 1944 ). She was a liaison officer of the second platoon commander Kazimierz Kardaś pseud. "Orkan", at the same time starting the work of an intelligence agent . The first action in which she took part was the liquidation on October 1, 1943 of SS-Rottenführer Ernest Weffels, commander of the women's department of Pawiak prison. She participated in reconnaissance or took direct part in 7 actions: Weffels , Kutschera , Koppe , Stamm , Frühwirth , Hahn and Braun.

During the Warsaw Uprising, as a liaison and medic of the 2nd company, she walked the "Parasol" combat trail ( Wola - Stare Miasto - Śródmieście - Czerniaków - Mokotów ). In the Old Town, she co-organized a medical point for wounded "Parasol" soldiers, whom she then led through the canal from Krasiński Square to ul. Warecka. She was wounded twice. After the capitulation of the uprising, she left Warsaw together with the civilian population. She returned to Warsaw in February 1945 .

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I have always been fascinated with that name. Umbrella in English! But in fact it referred to parachuting.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battalion_Parasol

Battalion "Parasol" - battalion of the Home Army , which was a unit for special tasks of the Diversion Directorate of the Home Army Headquarters, taking part in the Warsaw Uprising . It consisted mainly of Gray Ranks scouts .

The battalion is renowned for its numerous military actions in 1943-1944. It organized assassination missions, targeting key Gestapo officers and high-ranking Nazi Germany officials who were responsible for extreme terror in the Warsaw District.

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Or parasol too. They're similar but different things in English.


Fascinating people. I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned them here. Exceptionally brave. Were they connected to that bomb in the nightclub?

I listened to the latest episode of towarzystwo nieporkornych from polskieradio and learnt some interesting things.

- soviet official radio broadcast both internationally and into Poland calling for a Warsaw Uprising.
- AK soldiers were instructed to welcome and work with the soviet army during and after the uprising.
- The Warsaw Uprising inspired the Paris and Prague uprisings, on the first day of the Warsaw uprising, AK captured an important german building, which was a sign to the French resistance, which kicked off in the next few days. So we can say the Warsaw Uprising was a spark to the rest of Europe that resistance is possible and necessary.

- The allies did 8 waves of aid drops by their air force before ordering them to stand down, at the disgust of polish air force and allies

- Let's dispense with the myth that all French were vichy, The first week the Paris Uprising had as many casualties as the Warsaw uprising did in it's first week. The difference was that the allies marched into Paris after a week and the uprising was victorious.

- Paris was meant to be razed to the ground by the germans. Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, all the bridges and levies were mined. All it took was one press of a button. Paris was meant to be exploded, flooded and destroyed. It took a last minute plea by the Swiss ambassador to the germans to prevent Paris from being like Warsaw after the war.

- The Prague uprising had a different ending than Warsaw, in that because the allied forces were close, the soviets actively supported the uprising. Afraid of the allies taking control of Czech and Slovakia they provided arms (63k guns vs 16k in Warsaw, not that the Polish guns came from russia) and then marched into Prague to defeat the germans. The Czechs were as brave as the Poles but they had help. This explains the difference between Polish and Czech/Slovakian attitudes towards russians.

Conclusions.
- The allies betrayed us. (that's o.k it was great power politics and we forgive them.)
- The Czechs and the French fought as hard as the Poles in fighting the germans when the time was right.
- Kania is an idiiot for giving the russians a minute of his time. They will betray, kill, rape his family in 2023-203x if they get the chance.

Quite impossible. Even if they destroyed a few bridges and landmarks in Paris, they wouldn`t have time to erase the whole city like Germans did in Warsaw for 5 years of the occupation.

10% destruction in Sept 1939.
15% destruction by suppressing the Ghetto Rising 1943
30% destruction during Warsaw Rising
35% destruction after the Rising when Germans methodically pulled down and burnt whole blocks and quarters.

No. Two attacks on Cafe Club were carried out by People`s Guard, aka communists.

Amazing! I have just found an old film about the Rising from communist times. I watched it in 1970s. It tells the story of an insurgent unit a few hours before the Rising.

Incredible scene which I have never forgotten - before attacking German positions, insurgents unfold the Polish flag - some take off their caps, one kisses the flag. At 1:13:05. Then they rush out of the building into combat.

Hour W, with Eng subs though not the best quality

youtube.com/watch?v=-a70QJra1Do

How long did they live?

They died so Poland and Europe live.

Exceptionally brave people. It's very hard to imagine the horror of those times.

No. Poland and Europe were liberated by the Americans and the Soviets.


We don't have to imagine. We know that close to 200,000 Poles died because of those heroes.

All they had to do was wait, do nothing and the outcome would be the same: The brave Red Army in Berlin and Poland free of Germans.

We know where your sympathies lie.

Not with Poland or Poles.

My sympathies lie with those who died needlessly during and after the Warsaw Uprising.

We know where your hate lies. It's Russia and Russians - including those who died liberating Poland from Germans because they were "red" - as if they had a choice.

We also know where your hate lies, yourself.

I do, too: Dying for bullsh*it.

Hard to disagree with that.

I wonder who's side he'd have taken in the war.

Very debatable statement if you look only at the situation on the front back then.

In hindsight, however, this irrational, f*cked up and extremely costly show of crazy, berserk bravery was noted and remembered by the Soviet Union. Perhaps that's what saved us from the Soviet intervention in 1981, similar to 1956 Hungary or 1968 Czechoslovakia. They knew that we are totally f*cked up in our heads and that we would fight with all our strength, so they decided against it.

Also, it served as one of many ingredients of Polish national mythos. Something that distinguishes us from the Czechs, for example.

Was it worth the deaths of 200,000 civilians and razing Warsaw to the ground? I can't answer this question...

But you know it only today. :):) In 1944 you weren`t so wise. :):)


Nearly half perished. About 18.000 out of 40.000.

Also one ingredient to remind tyrants that people can stand up bravely to tyranny, something Putin would do very well to remember in his evil deeds in Ukraine.

More exactly, in 1980. We talked about it last year, see post 307 by certain poster called p. .


If Soviets invaded Poland in 1980, the collapse of communism in Poland and Eastern Europe in general would be delayed for a few years, probably a decade.

...and the 200,000 people, with post-war birthrates, would be about 350,000 - a city size of Lublin - in 1980s. So, was it worth the few years... maybe a decade? Impossible question to answer.

Not sure this is the case, to be honest. If anything, it showed us how much Poles hate us - that they were willing to throw out that many lives to avoid falling under communist control.

By the time of the Warsaw Uprising, everybody in Moscow already had quite a good idea of Poland's "berserk bravery". There is of course the long, and ancient history. But then, just two decades earlier there was also the Polish-Soviet war, where the Soviet Union suffered an embarrassing defeat (and where Stalin acted as a field commander).

Losing in a war to the Poles, one could argue, is a little bit more impressive of a "reminder" than watching them fight a one-sided battle with the Wehrmacht for a few months.

Well, communism was even less popular in Poland back then than it is now.


It's always a heart-breaking affair when Slavs are at each other's throats. Another reason for me the hate the "SMO" as you call it. However, there are foreign elements there, interfering in Slavic affairs, so it's a bit different (and off-topic in this thread).

Most probably.


Rejoice coz I again agree with you. Ha!

Or it would have been accelerated. especially with a warsaw uprising spirit resistance.
Look at the reasons why the soviets told jaruzelski they would not interfere.
all this propaganda that jaruzelski was the noble one and did what he had to do, to prevent a soviet invasion is pure bs.

At that time, 600,000 Russian soldiers were stationed in Poland. Intervention would not be needed, it would be enough for them to leave the barracks.

And facing the guerilla warfare russian soldiers are facing now in the occupied areas of ukraine.

More anti polish propaganda by the resident german cuck. It was around 50-70k in the 1970s-1980s

Don't tell me you scared them with your appearance and they ran away.