History of Polish-Russian relations

I just read:
In Russia, there will be penalties for identifying the USSR and the Third Reich
The Russian State Duma passed a law on penalties for publicly identifying the roles of the USSR and Germany during World War II and for contradicting "the humanitarian mission of the USSR in the liberation of European countries."

Hey, RuSSists, sue me for stating that totalitarian Soviets and Nazis were the best partners in 1939-1941,.

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Hey, stupid, you forgot the Soviets' biggest and the most generous partner - the US of A - from 1941 till 1945. I vividly remember the pics of Stalin in the post-war American encyclopedias with Uncle Joe looking like Santa.

Darling, go back to my last post and read again the dates I referred to. :):)


No, you are daydreaming. You only remember modern memes. Stop mixing reality with a dream.

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I don't see any conflict between your lame post and the brilliant one by me.

Yours was off topic as usual. Compare the dates - yours and mine. What do you see? Are they the same? No, they aren`t.

Does it mean dementia is also affecting your eyesight?

This is utter bollox.

That was then and this is now.

That alliance in the 1940's was due to different necessities and a differnt situation.
But you knew that....

You are an idiot. USA helped Stalin build up Soviet econamy in the 30', American specialist, know how, not sure about capital Well Street buffed Germany and Hitler economy.

No wonder France and Germany done the same now witgh Putin.
Greedy immoral scum but still better than horde of Mongols without concept of what moral is.

Will be better and better.

Remember, every cubic metre of gas that Poland buys from russia (Germany, France and especially Hungary are the same) is directly funding the russian war effort and is paying for the murder and rape of children.

Time to stop all russian gas imports, however hard that will be,

Agreed 100 %.

Germany will have to.struggle because of previous rulers mistakes.

Every war has a price to be paid.

It does indeed.

I worry that France and Germany ant to fast track Ukraine into the EU in order to scoop up lucrative reconstruction contracts. They did that in Poland to a point.

I also worry about Russian intelligence assets (Ukraine has them too, however they are now a friendly nation) in Poland, particularly in circles connected to the current government.

Use coal assets to convert into syngas or methanol like Germany did in WWII.

Poland to go out of NATO. Poland should abandon that terrorist and pirate organization that threatening Slavic civilization.

NATO and EU is the best thing that has hapenned to Poland.

"Szpiegowo" has been recovered. It's a small victory in the age-old Polish-russian war.

I posted about that in the other thread the other day.

It's been an issue between Poland and Russia for a couple of decades now. There's also a half empty block just round the corner, also used by russian Embassy staff.

"NATO and EU is the best thing that has hapenned to Poland."

only happened because russia was weak at the time... only.

Yes, it was. And now Western sanctions and support for Ukraine, as well as expanding NATO`s presence in the East will weaken and degrade RuSSia to the point of complete collapse. Amasing.

Their only chance to avoid catastrophe is to change their government, withdraw from Ukraine, pay the reparations and become a peaceful nation at last.

Since you want catastrophe in Russia, your advice to them is to stay and keep what they have. Z will not like your advice.

No, I don`t. But if it is the only way to contain the mad RuSSist regime and teach common Russians to drop their pathetic imperialist dreams, then let it happen. I won`t cry.

A side remark: Due to sanctions, RuSSists are not able to produce their advanced weapons coz they lack Western high technology. Not only hypersonic missiles but also main battle tanks. AmaSSing! :):):)

@pawian

Agreed 100%.

Put in, Put out - a Russian song about Putin. Contains taboo vocabulary.

youtu.be/t-wFKNy0MZQ

etoretro.ru/pic148195.htm
"What if ye have captured me, ye devilish Lyakhs? Think ye that there is anything in the world which the kazák fears? Wait; the time will come when ye shall learn what the Orthodox Russian Faith is like! Already the peoples, far and near, are beginning to understand it. A Tzar shall arise from the Russian soil, and there shall not be a Power in the world which shall not submit itself to him!" But the fire had already risen above the faggots: it was lapping his feet, and the flames spread to the tree... But can any fire, flames or power be found on earth capable of overpowering Russian strength?"

I think that both novel
en.wikisource.org/wiki/Taras_Bulba
And 2009 movie
youtube.com/watch?v=A8RuH_L4Hg4
Are bombs! Have much to do with Eastern European self identity.

Yes. NLAWS (called Ivan cookers), Stingers and Javelins.

Of course there is. You pretend you don`t know? Funny. :):)
It is RuSSists themselves who are doing their best to destroy RuSSia. You are corrupt savages who can`t develop your country so that most ordinary citizens will enjoy a good standard of life. You are only able to develop the military in order to heal your inferiority complex by constant aggression against neighbours. But at last the West has said enough is enough. You know that RuSSia is doomed if you don`t reform. Sanctions will bring you down to the Venezuela level. One day you will beg the West to lift them. That will be the day when the Chinese take control of your Siberia but you will be too weak to defend it and nobody will help you. . :):):)

I think in the last decades and years Polish public thought started to went into seduction to blame all the historic Polish problems on Eastern Slavs and demonize Ukrainians (aka "banderites") and Russians. But ultimately Poles will need to recognize that history was more complicated than that and not only they suffered or were the heroes. Study history of 16-17 centuries about Eastern Ukraine and Russia and pre-war history about Western Ukraine. And you will discover many interesting things.

@Vlad1234, I think that in the last decades and years Russian public thought had blamed all the historic Russian problems on the West, Poles, Ukrainians, Estonians, Latvians, etc. and has demonized Ukrainians (aka "Nazis"), Poles, etc. and Westerners. But ultimately Russians will need to recognize that history was more complicated than that and not only they suffered or were the heroes.

I don't closely follow Russian public thought. I live in Canada longer than I lived in Ukraine once. I thought this thread is dedicated to the history of Polish-Russian relations. And therefore want to know what do you think about Polish-Russian relations in 16-17 centuries and possible reconsiliation. Many Ukrainians still feel connected to Russians through language, culture and history. And religion. I think that sanctions give Russian economy a chance to abondon hydrocarbon dependency and concentrate on manufacturing and high-tech sector.

culture? not so much.... pay special attention to the part about differing ideas of human dignity and agency in Ukraine and Russia....

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1516416890335289345

Well, I meant folk traditions, etc...