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History of Polish-Russian relations


amiga500 2 | 199
19 Feb 2021 #31
So Bukharin and Cohen destroyed the Soviet Union? excellent. Communism was too messed up by the time the naive Gorbachov tried to reform it. one of his first acts was an utopian crusade to eliminate alcholism, by drastically raising prices for alcohol. Every one started making bimber instead. Gorbachov wanted a milder version of Communism. Co-operatives/Private enterprise were taxed obscenely high to prevent competition with the state. yes he allowed more freedoms of speech but that just showed how rotten the state was.
jon357 66 | 16,960
20 Feb 2021 #32
"To top it all, Polish public television - TVP, which ordinary Poles dub "TVPiS" because of its control by the government - is little more than a propaganda machine, shamelessly stealing ideas from Russia."

ecfr.eu/article/polarus-in-the-making-how-the-polish-government-is-learning-from-russia/
amiga500 2 | 199
20 Feb 2021 #33
Another millennial soros slut who previously worked for open society infiltrates ecfr.
jon357 66 | 16,960
20 Feb 2021 #34
Very worth reading:
"This "politicised spam" is one of the most prominent features of Poland's domestic information landscape on Facebook."
fsi-live.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/documents/sio_disinformation_polish_military_0.pdf

As well as this one:
"Polish extreme-right and pro-Russian political movements, the Russian and Polish media inspired by the Kremlin propaganda, as well as trolls on the Internet started using two new narratives during the electoral campaign before this year's elections in Poland. "

globallab.org.pl/2019/10/25/kremlin-narrative-during-polish-elections-jews-and-lgbt/
Miloslaw 8 | 3,125
20 Feb 2021 #35
Poles cosying up to Russians is a very bad idea.
Fine on a person to person basis, as we have a lot in common.
But very bad on a nationalistic level....
Crow 146 | 9,097
20 Feb 2021 #36
In a post-Covid world, many things will be changed. Some old evils must cease to represent danger.

So, there are free spirits on the internet that watch vigilant Poland (and all Slavs of Poland) not to find themselves on the line of fire. Call me naive but, I want to believe every voice means something.

as well as trolls on the Internet

I truly don't believe in Internet trolls. It's not how it works. But no doubt some people, good and bad, look very thoroughly at what people think and say. I only hope good guys are stronger.
Miloslaw 8 | 3,125
20 Feb 2021 #37
I want to believe every voice means something

And if you are right, then one day, Russia may become free of tyranny and dictatorship.
If and when that day comes, Poles and Russians could become friends.
THEN and only THEN, could we see the possibility of some sort of Slavic union that you dream of.
BUT, Serbs would need to adjust their mentality too, for it to work.
Crow 146 | 9,097
20 Feb 2021 #38
If and when that day comes, Poles and Russians could become friends.

We Serbs will tell you both, when comes the day. That is how cards are dealt.

Soon.

Slavic union

Maybe no need for quite a union. But first that we survive.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
20 Feb 2021 #39
"And if you are right, then one day, Russia may become free of tyranny and dictatorship."

what about poland tho? also free of tyranny of vatican?
Crow 146 | 9,097
20 Feb 2021 #40
Any potential of Rome to harm must be prevented once and for all and this means the Vatican must be peacefully pacified, deprived of instruments of power. It also includes Rome`s acolytes in Constantinople. And Russia must stop presenting itself as Third Rome. It's sick and must be ended.

And a new calendar must be in use. What Gregorian and Julian? We all have yearly calendars by Rome's genocidal maniacs.
Crow 146 | 9,097
20 Feb 2021 #42
They cooperate. Didn't they allow an air-bridge between Russia and Serbia for weaponry supply? They did. But sure, anybody in Poland would always allow that to Serbs. Great profit for Poland in it in every possible sense.

And don`t forget Polonia and brat Corey Lewandowski that pump money to Bosnian Serbs that are also under the protection of Serbia and Russia, too. We coordinate when important.
amiga500 2 | 199
21 Feb 2021 #43
Russia obtained complete victory within five days.

nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-poland-just-lost-russia-massive-wargame-and-what-it-means-178578
Novichok - | 1,941
21 Feb 2021 #44
A quote from the linked article:

By the fifth day of the mock conflict, Russian troops had reached the Polish defensive line along the Vistula River, while fighting to take Warsaw.

Poland's navy and air force faced complete obliteration and ceased to exist. Front-line Polish army units faced the loss of between 60 and 80 percent of their equipment. Russia obtained complete victory within five days.


Memo to Poles: Quit that Russia-hating bulls**t. It doesn't do you any good. Also, I want the US military back home.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #45
twitter.com/ereaandrzej/status/1363448556577783811?s=21
Mr Grunwald 29 | 2,014
21 Feb 2021 #46
@Strzelec35

what about poland tho? also free of tyranny of vatican?

What tyranny you speaking about? You a citizen of the Vatican state? Stop spreading bullshit

@Crow

means the Vatican must be peacefully pacified, deprived of instruments of power.

This only shows you don't have a clue about the role of the church... Your engulfed with hatred towards God, Christianity and the Croatian Clergy. One of them is warranted (the Croatian one)

I am tired of your posts Crow, even my patience has limits. Blasphemy and an conscious and evil attack on the church is the final straw.

Congratulations Crow. You have done what I thought impossible. I'll leave this forum forever.

No more posts from me. If anybody wishes further contact with me. They are welcome to PM me. I will be considering deleting my account as well. This is intorable
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #47
vatican is the roman catholic church extering its control and influence over other free nations and societies. it is basiclaly the cult of the church.
Crow 146 | 9,097
21 Feb 2021 #48
@Mr Grunwald

Wait, where do you think you going? Let us speak how to make Vatican equally powerless as it is Constantinople. Or British prince Charles. You know very well about Vatican`s and Nazi ustashe cooperation during WWII in so called `The Independent State of Croatia.` Anybody can google that.

I am tired of your posts Crow, even my patience has limits. Blasphemy

Go watch movie Dara of Jasenovac. You would see where is blasphemy.

extering its control and influence over other free nations and societies. it is basiclaly the cult of the church.

It is also state on its own. Very greedy one, and as such do have its state interests and using all instruments to grab more.

Why would, for the sake Our common Lord Jesus Christ and His venerable Mother, and out common Slavic ancestors, Poland take part in greedy projects of Vatican that are even against interest of Poland?????
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #49
he should watch the kingdom of heaven instead to see what blasphemy is all about. have you seen the kingdom of heaven Crow?
Crow 146 | 9,097
21 Feb 2021 #50
This only shows you don't have a clue about the role of the church

Let`s not involve Christ`s Church in this. If Orthodoxy and Protestantism can function without Pope, Catholicisms also can. Christ connects all Christians, not the papacy or any head of any local Church.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #51
this calls for a jihad against blasphemy and another crusade he thinks?
Novichok - | 1,941
21 Feb 2021 #52
Crow, suppose the Vatican is a hole in the ground starting tomorrow. What would change in the Poland-Russia situation? Or anywhere else.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #53
Lets start with what would change in Poland if there became a separation of church and state and the power of the Vatican got eradicated? anyone?
Crow 146 | 9,097
21 Feb 2021 #54
@Novichok
@Mr Grunwald

We have to talk of this if we are to create Central-European Union and make it independent global civilization. How else? Tell me, how else? Its question of all of us from Baltic to Balkan. Our question. Just then we can analyze how that affect relations with others.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #55
i think what would change is the power of influence or corruption being either temporarily gone or shifted in a new direction away from just western influence. maybe toward the east?
Crow 146 | 9,097
21 Feb 2021 #56
poland if there became a separation of church and state and the power of the vatican got eradicated? anyone?

More money will stay in Poland. Poland will be more independent. Countries will more eagerly want to join with Poland in Visegrad and any other future conglomerates, without fear of being subjugated by Vatican.

That for starter.
Strzelec35 10 | 1,075
21 Feb 2021 #57
also i think more immigrants would want to come to Poland no?
amiga500 2 | 199
21 Feb 2021 #58
. It doesn't do you any good. Also, I want the US military back home.

Rubbish, it just proves we need some nukes. Since Russia has said they would use them first in the event of a war.
jon357 66 | 16,960
21 Feb 2021 #59
this if we are to create Central-European Union and make it independent global civilization.

That isn't on anybody's agenda.

also i think more immigrants would want to come to Poland

Hopefully, yes.

it just proves we need some nukes.

People in Poland are opposed to this. Which country do you live in? Do you have nukes there in your country?
Crow 146 | 9,097
21 Feb 2021 #60
also i think more immigrants would want to come to Poland no?

Only if new leader of Church in Poland start to wash legs to migrants and behave like Merkelica.

it just proves we need some nukes.

You hate Poland?


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