Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors

Just because I quit the "Polish Aid..." thread, does not mean I am done.

As mentioned, I enjoy being an advocate for my beloved homeland. However, I am not here to autofellate my patriotism. The goal is to talk to Poles.

Poles have made crucial and formative contributions to the development of Russia as a modern state. I wanted to start a thread dedicated to important Poles in Russian history. I already made separate threads in the past about Dzerzhinsky and Rokossovski, but wanted to continue within a new thread going forward.

My list of greatest Poles in Russian history is as follows:

1) Nikolai Przhevalsky - probably one of the greatest Russian geographers and naturalists. He put Central Asia on the map, discovered many species considered lost (including the ancestor of all horses - named after him), and created maps important to Russia's Great Power competition with Britain for control over Afghanistan.

2) Konstantin Tsiolkovsky - as Wikipedia says: "Along with Hermann Oberth and Robert H. Goddard, he is one of the pioneers of space flight and the founding father of modern rocketry and astronautics." This Pole helped Russia beat the West in the Space Race, and is legitimately considered the father of Russian space exploration.

3) Dmitry Shostakovich - one of the greatest and most accomplished composers and pianists of Russia's Soviet period, whose stature grows every year since his death. Perhaps one of the greatest composers of the 20th century.

Too late. Poles and Polesses here know that you are an incorrigible imperial Russian. :):):)

If you know that I am "Imperial" - then you must understand that I am not a nationalist and not a xenophobe.

A Pole serving Russia, is equal in my eyes to a Russian serving Russia, and above a Russian who is Russian in name only.

They don't count unless you enjoy talking to clowns. See Post 2.
The US is the only country that does where Russia is concerned.

It worked both ways, of course. Poland remembers Nadzieja O'Brien de Lacy princess Drucka, Aleksander Ford, Paweł Akimow, Konstanty de Lazari, Oleg Zakirow, Natalia Gałczyńska or Igor Newerly, but one doesn't have to go back in time to appreciate the contribution of people with Russian roots into Polish science, culture and politics. Igor Czerniawski, Maria Żuk, Robert Terentiew, Aleksandra Strunin, Maryla Rodowicz, Karol Modzelewski, Piotr Ikonowicz, Julia Hartwig, Magda Gessler, Piotr Gąsowski, to name just a few, all contributed/are contributing to the greatness of modern-day Poland.

But this is not intended to take over your thread, Bobi. I shall read it with much pleasure and interest. :)

Who? Druccy had been on the Polish side of history.

Today's Great Russian Pole - Gleb Maksimilianovich Krzhizhanovsky.

Born to an old szlachta family, he was one of Vladimir Lenin's oldest and closest friends.

In the early days, he was the editor of the Rabotnik newspaper, and a cofounder of the League of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class.

Later, when sitting in prison with Lenin, he wrote the Russian words to the Warszawianka.

However important his work was in the early revolutionary circles, Krzhizhanovsky is most remembered for something else. That is, being the head of the GOELRO and the first Chairman of the GOSPLAN.

It's hard to identify two organizations more important to Soviet life in the first decades of its existence. GOELRO, was the state plan for the electrification of Russia. That plan is responsible for the building of the mighty hydroelectric dams in Ukraine, and across Russia proper. The industrialization of the Soviet Union was inextricably linked to the GOELRO plan, administered by this Pole.

The GOSPLAN, is of course the Soviet ministry which managed all of planning in our centrally planned economy.

After his death, Krzhizhanovsky was buried along the Kremlin Wall in the necropolis along with other heroes of Russian history.

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What is it with these Poles and their hate of vowels..... :)

How do you speak that?

How can the Polish noble surname Krzyżanowski be so mistreated?

Well, it's technically only three consonants. The Russian Ж, becomes Zh in Latin transliteration.

It's pronounced Kry-zhy-zhyv-onovski.


We literally spelled it exactly as it was written in Polish, but using Russian letters. You should say thank you. In America this would become Krysanovski.

So....like:

Kri-schi-schiv-onovski

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@Bratwurst Boy

Yes!

5/5

Wow! :)

....again learned something new today....

Omg, haha. I butchered his last name in transliteration.

It is not "Kri-schi-SCHIV-onowski"

It is "Kri-schi-SCHAN-owski"

I will admit, Poles could have simpler names and it would make life much easier.

No, in America his name would be Olaf Cross.

nonsense - and the zh (Polish ż) sound is not present in German (but present in English as in garage)

my guess German transliteration would be Kschischanowski

I noticed a long time ago that Germans write our Zh sounds as Sch, though.

It makes them sound very funny when they speak Russian. The German accent in Russian is probably one of the most funny ones.

What do you propose they use instead if you say yourself they don't have that sound?

Really?

So....I would probably end up actually saying:

Schischanowski

Unheard "K"....

That I could manage! :)

Children, children... you think you're ready for the Polish language pronunciation? :)

Krżyżanowski (rus. transl. Кржижано́вский) is correctly pronounced Krʒy-ʒa-nov-ski, where "ʒ" is the consonant sound in English 'measure' or 'pleasure', and "y" has no English equivalent but it's close to the first "y" sound in 'mystify'. The "Krʒy" cluster may be a bit difficult for foreigners but that's the point. :)

There's no r sound in Krzy- rz is the old soft r (pь) it's no longer soft and pronounced either zh or sh depending on what consonants are around it... after k it's always sh

syllabified

Krzy - żan -ow - ski

КPЬЫ ( or KPИ but pronounced KШЫ ) ЖAH - OB (pronounced OФ) CKИ

It's not Krzyżanowski, Maf. It's Krżyżanowski.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleb_Kr%C5%BCy%C5%BCanowski

Do you feel the Russian writing and resulting pronunciation is accurate to how Poles would pronounce it?

How do you rate Russian in general at producing Polish sounds?


Which makes me wonder why we put the R back in there in Russia, when Poles don't use it. Seems wrong. Thanks for this!

Typical reaction of a foreigner learning Polish phonological system.


The Russian transliteration is accurate but you would probably pronounce the ending closer to "iy" than "i". In general Russians make Polish sound much softer than it really is.


Yes, there is. As I said, it's Krżyżanowski not Krzyżanowski.

Hahahaha!

there is in the Russian rendering of the surname (same as in Przewalski surname)

BS. Imperial Russians are confirmed nationalists coz they believe Ukrainians are Russian and as such, they had to be invaded and conquered by "true" Russians so that Great Russia could be resurrected. . And you also profess such erronoeous credo.,

Of course imperial Russians are xenophobes - they distrust the West and foreigners in general.

What the hell... Is that a legit Polish surname? o_O I thought it was an error...


Yes, besides the ending (in Polish it's "и" instead of "ий" at the end).

This is a bizzare surname though... 🤔 That "Krż" would be difficult to pronounce even for Poles - it's not natural...


;D

*hugs and hands a tissue* ;D

no, it isn't - the Russians heard two "zh's" in Krzyżanowski but saw an 'r' which is not pronounced in Polish because it is part of a digraph 'rz' which sounds exactly as Russian 'zh' (sorry for the lack of cyrillic)


no - it is what Russians make of the Polish surname Krzyżanowski (simples)

Thank you.....*sniffles and wipes*