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Russian Greatness - and its Polish Contributors


mafketis 37 | 10,916
1 day ago #61
There's no r sound

there is in the Russian rendering of the surname

Aha! Now I get it! The russian rendering came a long time ago when the pronunciation of Polish rz was more or less like Czech Ř / ř (sort or r and ż at the same time)

Checking wikipedia..... the Czech composer Dvorak (Dvořák) is Дворжак in russian.

Now it makes sense.....
Torq 7 | 870
1 day ago #62
this was addressed at my nemesis

Oh, no probs. I misread that.

All in all a tragic figure, Rokossovski, perceived as a Pole in Russia and as a Russian in Poland. In different historical circumstances and under different political system he might well have been remembered as a hero of two nations. Alas, history's a b*tch sometimes. :(
Paulina 17 | 4,489
1 day ago #63
I'm sure most of the time he was voted out of his mind

"Voted out"? lol I'm guessing you didn't read that Wiki article if you think that was an option.
OP Bobko 26 | 1,999
1 day ago #64
perceived as a Pole in Russia and as a Russian in Poland

Much of my surrounding also finds my infatuation with Poland suspicious. I'm not Polish by blood (except a very small part), so of course I try to defend myself.

Bottom line - Poland should one day become part of a 4-Nation unity. Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia. One spiritual and philosophical continuum.

We have more in common with each other - and what will make us strong - than what separates us.
Torq 7 | 870
1 day ago #65
"Voted out"?

It's "bored out of his mind". Probably autocorrect - annoying stuff.

Much of my surrounding also finds my infatuation with Poland suspicious.

Oh, yeah? How do you think my Russophilia is perceived? You can get a hint by reading PF sometimes :D

Poland should one day become part of a 4-Nation unity. Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia. One spiritual and philosophical continuum.

*Paulina and Pawian freaking out in 3...2...1...* ;)
OP Bobko 26 | 1,999
1 day ago #66
How do you think my Russophilia is perceived?

Mhmm, not easy.
pawian 223 | 24,573
1 day ago #67
How do you know that I am NOT learning right now, at this very moment?

If you do, you are inconsistent saying Your negative appraisals are valued at close to zero by me.
You should have said: Thank you for your informative and educational appraisals even though they sound a bit negative.
Can you decide what you want at last?

How do you think my Russophilia is perceived?

Yes, decent patriotic Poles and Polesses consider you a renegade. hahahaha There is also another option - you are crazy. hahahaha
OP Bobko 26 | 1,999
1 day ago #68
Can you decide what you want at last?

I apologize Sensei. You are correct.

You have accurately pointed out the logical fallacy of my constructed argument.
gumishu 15 | 6,272
1 day ago #69
The russian rendering came a long time ago when the pronunciation of Polish rz was more or less like Czech Ř / ř

not really afaik - Polish rz sounded more or less the same as now since the Renaisance - and Poles started appearing as part of the Russian society in numbers only after the partitions of Poland - the most probable date of Krzyżanowskis appearing in Russia is 19th century - I think this is may be just a Russian convention - confer Przewalski's surname (the same pattern)
Paulina 17 | 4,489
1 day ago #70
*Paulina and Pawian freaking out in 3...2...1...* ;)

So it happens that majority of Poles would laugh at Bobko's comment, not only a few PF Poles :)
Torq 7 | 870
1 day ago #71
Yes, decent patriotic Poles and Polesses consider you a renegade.

I am a decent patriotic Pole. What people blinded by hate consider is the least of my worries.

4-Nation unity. Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia.

This unity is, of course, painfully incomplete without one nation. S _ R B _ _. Would you like to buy a vowel? ;)
pawian 223 | 24,573
1 day ago #72
blinded by hate

Neither blinded nor hate. Just realistic. Huge difference.
You are blinded by this infatuation. :):):)
OP Bobko 26 | 1,999
1 day ago #73
@Torq
You dog!

Of course - Serbia - spiritual homeland.
mafketis 37 | 10,916
1 day ago #74
Polish rz sounded more or less the same as now since the Renaisance

Then why pick such a spelling in Polish even much less russian? I've read older descriptions that imply an r sound used to be there (which one would expect).
Torq 7 | 870
1 day ago #75
Serbia - spiritual homeland.

Yes, Mother of All Slavia. God, if we ever forget about Serbia, please forget about us.

*scores 100 brownie points with Crow* :)
gumishu 15 | 6,272
1 day ago #76
Then why pick such a spelling in Polish

I don't know about rz spelling but sz and cz spelling was borrowed from certain medieval German conventions and the spelling was present also in Czech conventions before Hus's spelling reform - I'm not sure how Polish ż (neither rz) was spelled before Polish ortography was sort of codified during the Renaisance


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