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osiol 55 | 3,922
15 Jun 2008 #391
I'd be much more concerned with both Sweden's as well as little Finland's treatment of its Saami (commonly known as 'Lapp') minority to the North than about the Karelian population in Western Russia!

I'd worry too about the treatment of Sami in Russia too. Finland's stance during WWII is a bit of a dodgy spot. I think they were fighting a different battle which got them aligned on the wrong side.

I have many Finnish acquaintances and all of them speak excellent Swedish

Are we back to talking about the moomins again?

My Finnish is rudimentary at best

A couple of swear-words is all I know. And the word for hedgehog might be "sili". At least that's how a very nice Finnish girl I used to know said it (roughly). No, she didn't say it roughly - she sounded very sweet!
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196
15 Jun 2008 #392
Osiol:) I'd be much more concerned with both Sweden's as well as little Finland's treatment of its Saami (commonly known as 'Lapp') minority to the North than about the Karelian population in Western Russia!

Actually the Saami are doing quite good nowadays in Scandinavian area. As for Karelians, they are small people who eventually will be Russianized. It is neither "good" nor "bad", just part of natural process of cultures absorbing to bigger ones.

Culture's death is not always result of genocide etc.

Their position during WWII vis-a-vis Germany, despite the heroic stance of Mannerheim against the Soviet invasion, remains a serious issue in their past. Like Norway, Finland didn't exactly stand up politically against Hitler.

it sure is. I am not proud of everything my country has done.

Maxx, I have many Finnish acquaintances and all of them speak excellent Swedish. My Finnish is rudimentary at best, but I have basic survival skills. English might be a poor choice, save perhaps at a class hotel in the center of Halsingfors, oops, Helsinki.-:) LOL

:)
Välkommen ! Tervetuloa !
Marek 4 | 867
16 Jun 2008 #393
Tack, detsamma till dig!-:)

Unfortunately, we must switch back to English now. I can see though that you and I appear to be on the same 'homepage' (hemsida, no not a literal translation)..

Look forward to continued pleasant chatting.
rock - | 460
17 Jun 2008 #394
I believe the topic can also include ''What's your vote for the EU membership of Turkey ? and why?
morella 11 | 65
17 Jun 2008 #395
Rock r u in Poland?hemşerim:)
rock - | 460
17 Jun 2008 #396
Türkiye'deyim.
morella 11 | 65
17 Jun 2008 #397
whats your connection with Poland?Türkçe yazınca siliyorlar..
Marek 4 | 867
17 Jun 2008 #398
Iyi gunler!!-:) Hos geldiniz PF-forum'da.

Nice to have members of the Turkish contingent here among us to offset the questionable remarks of our fellow posters.
rock - | 460
17 Jun 2008 #399
Marek, almost nothing wrong in your Turkish in the first sentence. Only it will be ''PF forum'a''. Congratulations !

Turkish language is relatives of Finnish and Hungarian in Europe. As these 3 nations and Bulgars live together in ancient times in the area of Chuvash and Tatar together.

For example :

As far as I know Mikan means Mika's in Finnish
In Turkish Mikanın means Mika's.

Menawhile what's your vote end why?
tomek - | 134
18 Jun 2008 #400
My Vote: NO
One of the problems with Turks is that our opinion of Turks is biased by those Turks who allready live in Germany, Netherlands, England and other european countrys since their birth. Turks I know from Turkey are "better". But how much better all things considered?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7108607.stm

I was shocked that after the missionaries were killed one heard the townsfolks of the town it occured in saying, that they to some degree supported the murderers.

There is a strong nationalism in this country and I doubt that the majority agrees to enter the EU - both is good for them, but would be a threat to Europe. And most of the turks that will then leave their country will be Turks from the east and not those from Istanbul or Izmir.
Marek 4 | 867
18 Jun 2008 #401
Yarin tesekkurler!--::)

My vote is YES to allow Turkey to join, but solely for practical reasons of Turkey's larger and above all younger population, a needed workforce in a European population that is both rapidly decreasing as well as aging.

A perfect fit both culturally and spiritually? Hardly. A necessary one?? Absolutely.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
18 Jun 2008 #402
So glad you have no say in that matter! :)

Oh and thanks to the Irish there will be no further enlargement of the EU (Croatia being a possible exception)...
A positive outcome at least!

If the Turks had one ounce pride left they would refrain from further begging with
the Europeans!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

EU member states must unanimously agree on Turkey's membership for the Turkish accession to be successful. A number of nations can oppose it, notably Austria, which historically served as a bulwark for Christian Europe against the Ottoman Empire; and France, which is fearful of the prospect of another wave of Muslim immigrants, especially given the poor integration of its existing Muslim minority.

Will never going to happen, period!
morella 11 | 65
18 Jun 2008 #403
As a Turkish My Vote is NO! We r Asian rather than European..so with this culture difference we cant be adapted to EU..
southern 75 | 7,096
18 Jun 2008 #404
As a Turkish My Vote is NO! We r Asian rather than European..so with this culture difference

At least one confession.
Marek 4 | 867
18 Jun 2008 #405
I repeat, were I a citizen of an EU-member state such as France or Germany, I too might have second, third, even fourth, thoughts about Turkey joining 'Club Europa'. However, being pragmatic, I may just have to accept the inevitable, bury the hatchet and retrench from there.

Those holding out until the very last stand, will only lose in the end if they maintain this 'do or die' strategy!
morella 11 | 65
18 Jun 2008 #406
Why do u think it is a confession? İt is just the reality not the confession...Should I confess that I m Asian?:) DOnt be funny.Cant u see it yourself when u open the map?
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
18 Jun 2008 #407
However, being pragmatic, I may just have to accept the inevitable,

The Turkey becoming a member of the EU is hardly "inevitable"....
rock - | 460
18 Jun 2008 #408
First results :

Yes : 1
No : 3

I don't think that we are Asian rather than European. We are Turks.
I don't feel an Arab, Iranian, Indian or Chinese more closer to me than an European.
Yes, I feel closer to Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Khazakistan, Uzbekistan, Kırgızistan, Tataristan, Bashkurdistan, Chuvashistan, Uyghurs in China which are all Turkic nations. And they are also different from other Asians like us.

Turkey never begs to Europe. There can be mutual benefits if Turkey enters Europe. But I believe, if it is not realized Turks Union which is 160.000.000 population will be ok. for us. Than Europe can think of her fault.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,426
18 Jun 2008 #409
Now that sounds more reasonable... a turk union....why not? Go for it I say!
rock - | 460
18 Jun 2008 #410
Who says we don't.
We only give one chance to old Europe.
It is in our gens to go always to the West. In the history, Avars, Huns, Ottomans are all Turks.
But this time we want to reach to our goal with peace of course.
Sorry but I am not sure if we will give up even if we manage Turk Union.
Maxxx Payne 1 | 196
18 Jun 2008 #411
I respect Turks for their efforts to modernize to society. They fared far better than in arab countries. As for membership in EU, dont know. Religion shouldnt play an issue here, even though I am not a fan of Islam.
rock - | 460
18 Jun 2008 #412
They fared far better than in arab countries

To compare Turkey with Arab countries is sth. like comparing any European country with Vatikan.

To prevent misunderstanding, I don't mean Arab countries are holy for Turks, but like in Vatikan, in Arabic countires religious laws applied into daily life. In Turkey although % 99 of the nation is muslim, there is not any islamic law for daily life. Turkey is secular and religion is between people and God.
southern 75 | 7,096
18 Jun 2008 #413
Yes, I feel closer to Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Khazakistan, Uzbekistan, Kırgızistan, Tataristan, Bashkurdistan, Chuvashistan, Uyghurs in China

I have to agree here.
osiol 55 | 3,922
18 Jun 2008 #414
Bashkurdistan, Chuvashistan

I've heard of Bashkhortostan, aka Bashkiria. But Chuvashistan - is this a formally recognised title?
rock - | 460
19 Jun 2008 #415
Correction :

Çuvaşistan is in Turkish. But in English it is Chuvash Republic.
osiol 55 | 3,922
19 Jun 2008 #416
This only makes me wonder what it is in Chuvash. I had read once that they make very nice beer there, but it's a long way to go just for a few bottles, so I'll probably never find out.

Having read a little more to confirm what I had already thought on the subject of the Chuvash people, they are predominantly Russian Orthodox by religion, although older pagan beliefs continue to some extent (there seems to be no Islam in the mix there). They are probably largely descended from Finno-Ugric people like many of their neighbours, as well as from Turkic peoples. The overwhelming majority speak Russian as a second language, or even now as their first language. The Chuvash language itself seems to be the most distant from all the other Turkic languages.

How close to Turkey does this put them? It would be interesting to know how much they do have in common.
southern 75 | 7,096
19 Jun 2008 #417
What is funny is that by a meeting of turkish prime minister with president of Turkmenistan in the 90's the latter told the turkish prime minister who hoped to build a pan-turkik union under the rule of Turkey that Turks from Turkey are not real Turks,they are very soft and the real Turks are the Turks of Turkmenistan.This president behaved like a super-king.He is the only president to have a huge golden statue of him built in the center of capital while he was still alive!
rock - | 460
19 Jun 2008 #418
First you have to read about Turkic Languages below ;

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages
osiol 55 | 3,922
19 Jun 2008 #419
a huge golden statue of him built in the center of capital

You neglected to mention that it even rotated slowly throughout the day to follow the path of the sun across the sky.

Turkmenbashy - a true mentalist if ever there was one.
isisores - | 46
19 Jun 2008 #420
He is the only president to have a huge golden statue of him built in the center of capital while he was still alive!

he also put his picture on banknotes, and after he painted his hair to black he seized all old banknotes and published new ones with his brand new black hair. changed name of the months, as january replaced with his name, another month with his mother's name. funny man at all, even funnier is he was the president of a country.

by the way they say we are not real turks, and arabs say we are not real muslims, europeans say we are not real europeans. one day they'll make a human union and i'm afraid they'll say that we are actually not real humans :P


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