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What do Poles think about Turks?

Crow 146 | 9,142
25 Feb 2017 #721
Now I got you. When my grandmother said: ``Turks are people of evil father and even worse mother``, we were talking about Polish defense of Vienna and later discussion moved on memory of venerable Zawisha Czarny who died fighting for us Serbians, while Turks beheaded him and mutilated his dead body. That`s how my grandmother concluded her story. Mutilation of Zawisha`s dead body she considered as utter example of Turkish cowardice and expression of deep evil. See, my grandmother was devoted believer in healing, sacred and all divine nature of water that came from spring near the Zawisha`s grave near Golubac fortress. She went there several times in her life. She was so proud that Serbians managed to save at least Zawisha`s body, while as you know his noble head finished humiliated under the legs of Turkish sultan.
Veles - | 164
27 Feb 2017 #722
I have a good opinion on Turks.
Crow 146 | 9,142
28 Feb 2017 #723
Well, to me, from all Blacks (with all due respect on them), Turks are worse.
Wincig 2 | 221
28 Feb 2017 #724
Because Serbs were colonized by Turks.. Quite natural that slaves hate their masters!!
mafketis 24 | 9,161
28 Feb 2017 #725
Which is kind of how Poles think of Russians, which is why Serbians hoping for some kind of Polish Russian alliance are sooooo misguided.

If I were crazier, I'd find a Serbian forum and keep posting all the reasons that Serbia needs to ally with Turkey. I wonder how people would react...
Wincig 2 | 221
28 Feb 2017 #726
Well, at least, we all know how Crow would react!
merve112 - | 10
28 Feb 2017 #727
I am still amazed that people can hate a whole nation for something someone did centuries ago.
jon357 67 | 16,836
28 Feb 2017 #728
Nationalism rarely involves logic or good will. Here in Poland, most people don't ever think of Turkey except as a holiday destination.
gumishu 11 | 5,638
28 Feb 2017 #729
Nationalism rarely involves logic or good will.

Nationalism is everywhere in politics - politicians in their countries only care about their own states - Poland has experienced enough of it to learn to act the same way
Wincig 2 | 221
1 Mar 2017 #730
politicians in their countries only care about their own states

Some do but many don't, they just care about their electorate
Crow 146 | 9,142
1 Mar 2017 #731
you are all crazy.

I am still amazed that people can hate a whole nation for something someone did centuries ago.

Yes? Well, tell it to the head of noble and most dear Zawisha Czarny or to the head of our venerable King Wladislaw Warnenczyk. If your own head was severed would you like that future generations forget you and side with your killers in order to more harm its own Slavic civilization? For that is what is Turkish-Polish alliance. Sado-mazo politics of official Poland. Somebody wants to convince Poles that they can with Turks but not with Russians. Please, spare me of utter idiotism. I virtually urinate on all idiots here- take it.

Give heads back!
merve112 - | 10
1 Mar 2017 #732
So wait, please help me understand one thing, one of my ancestors killed one of your very very distant ancestors, and this makes me a killer... how exactly? Sure, it is a dreadful business what went on in the middle ages.

I merely believe everyone are responsible for their own actions. I did not kill anyone and I have not taken anyone's head, why am I responsible for something I took no part in? Why is a whole group of people who had nothing to do with it are responsible for it?
Lyzko 29 | 7,258
1 Mar 2017 #733

Armenians blaming ALL Turks for the excesses of a minority is much as with the Jews blaming every German or Austrian for having been either a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer!

It's both unfair and illogical:-)
Crow 146 | 9,142
2 Mar 2017 #734
Main problem in reconciliation among humans in general is that those who perpetrated crime escaping the justice and with time profit from their crime.

We see that on example of antic Romans. They committed crime, escaped with that and those nations who were born thanks to Roman crime profit, while victims going down.

Its like when Lech Kaczyński said to Germans how would Poles have more rights within EU if there wasn`t that many Poles killed by Germans.

We see that on example of native Americans. There is no going back. Nothing can`t correct injustice. Invaders still profit and developing in any sense, profiting from committed crime.

Or, we see that in number of Turks and Serbs. We see that number of Turks increased and Serbs were reduced in number. We now see that Turkey demonstrate some power on the base of that number of population. So, we learning that Turkey profited from its crime on Serbs (and not only on Serbs). By the God, they imposed `tax in blood` on the Serbians, so that Serbs had to give one child from the family in slavery, so that is child taken to Anatolia. These crimes Turkey can repay only if die.
Crow 146 | 9,142
2 Mar 2017 #735
We Serbians have direct interest that Poles and Russians have at least minimum of mutual understanding. They don`t need to be united, just to tolerate each others. Turks? We Serbians wants them to pay for the crimes committed on Slavic civilization. To give back everything.

Now, don`t blame me for insisting. Problem is that Turks especially focused on our children. See, even in a 10.000 years we won`t forgive them children.
Atch 16 | 3,267
2 Mar 2017 #736
Isn't he kind of a language bigot?

I answered you in Random Chat :)
Crow 146 | 9,142
2 Mar 2017 #737
Then also, we see that western Europeans support all who works against Slavs. So how can one love Turks or some others. That would also lead in one great Europe-and world scale conflict and people would learn that what is right and what is wrong.
Crow 146 | 9,142
14 Jan 2018 #738
Ha, Poles listen, I must share this with you. Its mind blowing news.

Turkey is gonna to invest 4,2 mlrd eur in tourist project in Serb Republic within Bosnia. Can you imagine? You know what this means? Well, there were signs but now is obvious. Turkey strategically changed its stance on Slavs in the region. End of hostilities.

When you add to it that Turkey (during Erdogan`s visit to Serbia) sent message to Islamized Serbs in Southern parts of Serbia (Bosniaks- one of newly invented nations here; thanks to Turks and western Europeans) how is there place in Serbia and in peace with Serbs. That message silenced Muslim extremists and separatists there. That also sent message to Bosnian Muslims to start to look at Belgrade. In short to speak, Turkey started to be healing factor for relations between Christian and Islamized Serbs. What is on the contrary to centuries long Turkish policy that went in direction of weakening Serbs and negating any Serbian origin of Islamized Serbs.

Things change.

source: b92/biz/vesti/region.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=14&nav_id=1346833
Bieganski 17 | 901
14 Jan 2018 #739
Turkey strategically changed its stance on Slavs in the region. End of hostilities...Things change.

Yes, the only constant in life is change. And sometimes changes are strategically planned well in advance.

But do you really believe an ancient enemy like the Ottoman Turks are going to invest in the long-term interests of Slavs or rather their own growing multi-million size Turkish diaspora in Europe?

'You Are the Future of Europe,' Erdogan Tells Turks

Calling Turks the "future of Europe," Turkey's president...implored his compatriots living on the Continent to have multiple children as an act of revenge against the West's "injustices."
Crow 146 | 9,142
14 Jan 2018 #740
I looked more into the project. Its Turkish-Chinese consortium behind it. It definitely telling about deeper strategams behind this. Turks are monitored here by Chinese and Russians. Money is first motivation and then also, Turks wants to reconcile, to show respect- by many signs they giving up from their zone of influence here to Serbia and in turn they wish to position their valuable projects in country that is deep in Europe, on the verge of becoming EU member, while having privileged access to markets of Russia, former Soviet Union, China and worldwide non-Aligned countries.

Serbia is by many means no.1 destination for foreign investments in the region, continent and wider. Serbia made good job positioning itself as new-Switzerland. So, anybody who invest in Serbia can`t expect to establish its control here, monopoly or political influence. Here must be balance. So, Turks too, invest and wants to be in the game.

'You Are the Future of Europe,' Erdogan Tells Turks

Don`t worry. Erdogan means `future of western Europe`. He knows that attempt to change balance within Serbia, on the East of Europe in general, means bad luck and mission impossible.
Bieganski 17 | 901
14 Jan 2018 #741
Turks are monitored here by Chinese and Russians

The Chinese always and only act in their own self-interests and it is measured in centuries from now. Currently Chinese priorities are in expanding control in their own Asian region and Africa. These moves are to secure resources like oil and minerals and in turn be a dumping ground for cheap Chinese mass produced junk. Any presence in Serbia is minimal and not important in their strategic long term goals.

As far as the Russians go the Turks went to war with them in the past; supplied Nazi Germany and otherwise sat on their hands during WWII; and thought nothing of undermining Russia's role in Syria even going as far as to shoot down a Russian fighter. Turkmen operating in Syria then shot at the Russian pilot as he descended in a parachute killing him.

The Turks and Russians know they can give Russia a good bloody nose and get away with it when they want to.

Remember that investment may give the impression of creating jobs locally but actually what it done for is to buy influence.

This tourist project sounds more like establishing a stronger foothold in the Balkans. It may seem innocuous at first until there are calls to expand business, which leads to an ever growing Turkish community which settles and eventually enters into local politics. Next thing you know the mosques go up as their population explodes and demands are made to cater to and protect their culture and language and religion.

Will the Turks reciprocate and invite Serbs or other Slavs to settle and expand in Turkey? Never.

Even if you imagine they would just look at what they did to the Greek community in Constantinople. It is virtually non-existent today. Look at Cyprus. Forever divided along ethno-theocratic linguistic lines.

Here is more openly published information regarding Turkey's expansionist foreign policies:

Turkey's New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire - Erdogan's aggressive nationalism is now spilling over Turkey's borders

this...offers...insight into Turkey's current foreign and domestic policies and Ankara's self-image. The maps...reveal the continued relevance of Turkish nationalism, a long-standing element of the country's statecraft, now reinvigorated with some revised history and an added dose of religion.

Even if Turkey doesn't intend to physically annex any territories in the Balkans they most certainly would want to have a pro-Turkish population there to support or at the very least remain silent in the face of Turkish expansion and interference elsewhere.
Crow 146 | 9,142
15 Jan 2018 #742
Chinese do act in their own self-interests, as anybody else, after all. But, these self-interests sometimes means that you have interest to support somebody. Sometimes interests just overlap and goes hand in hand. In that sense, what we see here in the region is how China coordinates with Russia. Then, once it achieved general agreement with Russia (ie- not to act against Russian interests), China focusing on her own interests.

Speaking of Europe, this resulted in situation that Hungary and Serbia got privileged status. So, when I see that Chinese bank stays behind Turkish investment (like in this project worth 4,2 mlrd eur in Serb Republic that I mentioned), I don`t worry.

Also, as I said, Serbia created equal conditions for investments of all who are interested to be here in this obviously important Geo-strategic region of Europe and world. See, today coming Japanese PM with executives of 16 great Japanese companies, in two day visit to Serbia. Few days ago French consortium Vinci signed investment worth 1,1 mlrd eur in Belgrade`s airport. Before that was Turkish president. Before that Hungary and Serbia signed project of high-speed rail link between Belgrade and Budapest worth 3,2 mlrd eur. Not to mention Italian, Russian, Israeli, USA, Czech, UAE, German, Indian, Nepal, etc, etc investors that coming in ever larger and larger numbers.

They all have their own interests. In that money and wealth that flow thru the region Serbia wants to take its share, to insert her interests. It would be reward for good mediation and given example that interests from all Earth`s meridians successfully coexist here in this Geo-strategic point of the world, in Serbia. And those who tries to disturb balance won`t be just problem of Serbia but of the joint interests of many.

Turkey's New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire - Erdogan's aggressive nationalism is now spilling over Turkey's borders

Oh, no matter how is Erdogan sincere or insincere, I consider Turkey as unstable country. Erdogan or somebody after Erdogan, Turkey or anybody else, they will try. Its on us to profit and be vigilant. To profit, one must be in the game and here in the region, more then in some other places, this game is lethal.
29 May 2018 #743

Why Polish People Doesnt Like Turks

I dont get it. In history Turks helped Polish people for too many things. In Istanbul, you can see this. There is a place call as Polonezköy. For example, Adam Miskiewicz(probably I wrote wrong) etc etc. I still dont get, why Polish people doesnt like Turks.
TheWizard - | 236
29 May 2018 #744
Who told you that? For a start heaps of poles went to turkey for holidays but you are not a democracy anymore and regressing backwards so relationship isn't likely to get better.
29 May 2018 #745

I know too many Polish people and they dont like Turks. Actually they are racist to everyone but They hate them more because they are muslims too. Plus they dont like because of history too(wars) but I dont get that part. Turks always helped to Polish people.
TheWizard - | 236
29 May 2018 #746
Well I dont hate you or your country. Locking people up, repressing woman and going back in time won't make me like you any more though. I am not a fan of islam ( don't know anyone who is) but on the other hand i think all religion is vomit so you don't have to feel picked on from me. I had a turkish friend at school. He was a good dude.
Crow 146 | 9,142
29 May 2018 #747
I dont get it. In history Turks helped Polish people for too many things.

Just be nice to Serbians and Poles would tolerate you. Greatest f*** in Polish history was Turkish medieval invasion on Serbia. It was like cut the leg of Poland and open Poles vulnerable to two fronts, against Germanic and against Islamic invader. Not to speak that Turks destroyed last remains on ancient amber trade route that was Polish-Serbian business since time immemorial. Polish Kings tried to stop Turks over this and that effort utterly exhausted Poland. Disaster of that wealth flow on the long run greatly weakened Polish Kings. Plus, without active free Serbian state, balance within Slavic world was violated what led to Russians making business with Germanics instead with Serbians. It was putting Poland in very unpleasant strategic situation what resulted in great ruination of Polish might.
29 May 2018 #748
You talked about Serbians more than Poles :) Actually Serbs are worse than Poles about hating Turks. I can understand them but I still dont get Poles.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,697
29 May 2018 #749
In history Turks helped Polish people for too many things. In

Oh like trying to invade poland only to get your asses kicked by Jan iii sobieskis armies?

Poles drove the invading muzzles out of Europe once and its high time for us to do it again. And europe will be better off - no more islamic terror, skyrocketing rapes, budgets for housing and feeding migrants that exceed education budgets as in Germany, etc.

Poles travel to Turkey for vacation mainly because it's cheap, pretty and has nice Mediterranean weather ... not because of erdogans politics or their like/dislike of the Turkish people
Crow 146 | 9,142
29 May 2018 #750
You talked about Serbians more than Poles :) Actually Serbs are worse than Poles about hating Turks. I can understand them but I still dont get Poles.

Serbs didn`t invade Turkish realm but the opposite, Turks were invader. Anyway, we can`t correct what happened in past. What we can is to work for better future. Few months ago Erdogan visited Serbia and regions that are populated with Islamized Serbs- Bosniaks. It was first time in history since Turks invaded us, that now, after more then 100 years of cease fire in Serbo-Turkish wars that one Turkish leader came to Serbia and spoke to Islamized Serbs without trying to increase antagonism between them and Christian Serbs. On the contrary, Erdogan to to Islamized Serbs that they have to turn to Serbia, to their people, that they can in peace live with Christians. After that, great number of Turkish investors came to invest in Serbia. Also later, these days, when Erdogan visited Bosnia and Herzegovina, he again acted as stabilizing factor between Christian and Islamized Serbs.

You Turks can consider that Serbs gave you chance. If you are sincere, long lasting war between Turks and Serbs, with it between Turks and Slavs can finally occur. If just Germans can stop meddling in Dalmatia, Slavonia, Croatia, Herzegovina,... Serbian ethnic being would start to heal and Serbians of all three faith- Orthodox, Catholics and Muslims could live in peace and restore united Serbian state. Actually, its rather irony that Muslim Turks offering this kind of understanding and peace to Serbians while fellow Christian- Germanics (and other western Europeans), still exploit religious division among Serbians. At least Vatican shows signs of reconsideration of its policy on Serbians.

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