Did Poles living in Germany support Hitler's rise to power before World War II?

@Alien
@pawian

You are both right.Hitler attended a memorium in Berlin, but he did not attend his funeral.

Hitler counted on Piłsudski to join him in the Russian war. He really regretted that Piłsudski died so early.

Yes. I wonder what Piłsudski would have done if he had lived long enough to participate in the Hitler`s war with Soviets.

There will be new early elections in Germany. Millions of Poles or Germans of Polish origin will go to the polls. I wonder how many will vote for AfD or BSW?

Tomasz Fröhlich, is an active Polish politician in the AfD in European Parliament, A true right-wing hardliner, that's how the media describes him.

Just like did Poles/Polesses residing in the US support Trump for President though their relatives who are staying illegally might be deported??

In fact, Hilter's attitude to Poland at the start was much better than that of any other German political force, and his territorial demands were restrained and not impossible to fulfil.
Only later did it change, after what Hilter regarded as hypocrisy and betrayal by Polish politicians, when in fact, it was an unrealistic attitude of antebellum Polish politicians.

So you opt for fulfilling Hitler`s demands by Poland. And you support the idea of cooperation that Hitler offered to us.
Why are those Polish nationalists such rabid anti Polish scum???

Relax, it is all in the past.
Sadly, you at your age are driven by emotions, bias, and ideological fanatism rather than reason.
What does it tell us about you?

Stop twisting. :):)
We are talking about Polish nationalists ready to collude with Hitler. Not me. :):):)

Here is an excerpt from an article on Holy Cross Brigade, that infamous unit which had close connections with Nazi Germans.

Wiktor Marczyński , one of Hubert Jura's close associates, a member of the NSZ "Sosna" unit also known as NSZ "Las" (which was commanded by Jura until the merger of NSZ with AK), and then a member of the NSZ-ZJ Gendarmerie in Tomaszów Mazowiecki , during his testimony to the Gestapo officially expressed the will of this group to cooperate with the Germans against their common enemies - the communists and the London camp:
As Polish nationalists, we are eager to cooperate with the Germans , because we know that we must fight communism together with them. We wanted to have a national government in Poland, free from Jews. If we had received such a government immediately after the end of the September campaign, it would have been possible to cooperate well with the Germans. Now, however, it is very difficult for us, nationalists, to promote such cooperation, because today there is almost no Polish family from which one or more members have not been imprisoned or shot by the Germans. We must therefore conduct our cooperation with the Germans very carefully so as not to give our opponents, the communists and the ZWZ , which cooperates with England and thus also with Russia, the opportunity to use this against us in their propaganda .

It is amaSSing to see that Polish nationalists were ready to collude and collaborate with any of Poland`s enemies. First, when Hitler was strong, they tried to be partners for Nazi Germans. Later, when the USSR defeated Germans and occupied this part of Europe, Polish nationalist scum supported Soviets.

Why did they do it??? They always hoped for being granted more power or even the gov of Poland by the occupiers.

What does that even mean in politics? It is for plebs and followers to walk the line.

It also shows your mental ineptness coz we already mentioned it in another thread that colluding with Nazi Germany would end with a territorial disaster for Poland after the war coz we would lose Eastern lands anyway but wouldn`t receive ex German territory in the West. Ha!!

What is your education???? Why didn`t you study Polish history on your own after finishing primary school????

You on the other hand are more than fine by the virtue of throwing a few slogans out there coupled with personal insults.
In that case - you are a moron, now shut up!

Exactly!!! I am intelligent and decent, two major characteristics which make a good ape. Ha!!!!

Calling the exhibition in Gdańsk about Poles in the Wehrmacht "our boys" is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. A brief explanation is needed here: Hitler considered Poles (and Czechs) unfit for service in the Wehrmacht. However, people of Polish descent living in Germany, such as Silesians and Kashubians, were conscripted into the German Army.

The truth of the matter is that Hitler was a talker; he talked and talked, and generally, he would annoy the hell out of me with his constant yapping, but Germans liked it, and they obeyed him.
Many aspects of what he discussed in theory appeared different in practice.

..yeah I wondered about that title too (as the topic made it into the german media at last).

"Unsere Jungs" (as title) and then in the first few sentences explaining that it was about forced conscription of Poles....after being told for decades that there were no Slavs also no Poles in the german army allowed, only "Volksdeutsche"....but that was most probably an error!

I found that (...a clipping from a very long, very in-depth article):
(in German....all Google-translated)


www1.ku.de/ZIMOS/forum/docs/kochan.htm

....It is difficult to say who broke Hitler's resistance to the creation of Polish armed units in the autumn of 1944. It may have been due to the efforts of Hans Frank, who wanted to use the fifth anniversary of the founding of the General Government (on October 26) for propaganda purposes. He likely found support in some military circles. The Army High Command submitted a corresponding request to Hitler on October 23, 1944, and received permission from the Führer the following day to deploy Poles in the Wehrmacht's HiWi units on the basis of the regulations of April 29, 1944, which referred to other units in the East.[49] Frank was immediately informed of this, and he "particularly welcomed this report, as it was entirely in line with his ideas."[50]

The recruitment guidelines were gradually refined. On April 24, it was only determined that the Polish volunteers would wear German uniforms and be identified by an armband bearing the inscription "In the Service of the German Wehrmacht."[51] Four days later, it was added that the volunteers would initially be enlisted for four months, as a commitment "until the end of the war" could have a deterrent effect. But as early as October 31, these fears were dismissed.[52]

The information was initially kept secret. Nevertheless, even before the official announcement of the recruitment, a poster was prepared in a Krakow printing house, depicting "a Polish worker putting down his shovel while a German soldier hands him a rifle. It was announced that the Poles, due to their 'mass, voluntary' effort in digging trenches against the Soviets, deserved to fight with arms in hand against the enemy from the East."[53] The posters explained the rights afforded to volunteers and listed the addresses of recruitment offices. Rumors of the impending conscription reached the city and caused anxiety bordering on panic. Konstanty Tchórznicki, the chairman of the Main Auxiliary Council, intervened with the "government" of the General Government on November 2 and 3, declaring that the announcement of a conscription "in the current situation was considered a highly unpolitical step, which would require serious and could have harmful consequences."[54] He was told that this was only a recruitment for auxiliary units that could not be compared to SS Galicia, but at most, if one wanted to make a comparison, had similarities with the Todt Organization. It was categorically stated that this was not the beginning of a general conscription. The Polish representative was confidentially informed that the Wehrmacht did not attach much importance to Frank's initiative and did not expect its success.[55]

Despite such statements, the military devoted considerable attention to the venture, which went by the cryptonym "White Eagle," and strove to ensure that the initiative was appropriately embedded in propaganda. On November 4, 1944, Army Group Center published guidelines for the recruitment of Poles. The units were to initially comprise 12,000 volunteers and would initially be assigned to the Second, Fourth, and Ninth Armies. The strict voluntary nature of the matter was emphasized. The use of the derogatory term "HiWi" (Hi-Wi) was banned. This was strictly prohibited, as the aim was to convince the Poles that they would be treated like "real" Wehrmacht soldiers. Any contact with Ukrainian or Russian units, as well as political discussions with the volunteers, was also prohibited. The only position to be expressed to them was: "The German Wehrmacht is waging a determined fight to the last to protect Europe against Bolshevism." Every honest helper in this unconditional struggle is welcome as a comrade in the Wehrmacht."[56] Concerned about the success of recruitment, it was recommended that everyone between 16 and 50 be accepted, provided they had passed the medical commission. The recruits were to be informed that they could commit themselves for at least four months or until the end of the war. Only the latter were to take the oath: "I swear this sacred oath by God that in the fight for the future of Europe in the ranks of the German Wehrmacht, I will offer unconditional obedience to the Supreme Commander of the German Wehrmacht, Adolf Hitler, and as a brave soldier, I am prepared to risk my life at any time for this oath."[57] The Poles were to be clothed and equipped in typical Wehrmacht fashion, provided-as was noted-such equipment was available. The units were to be armed only after two months of probation.....

Astounding! I never knew.....

BB, your problem is that you do not take me seriously. OK, I troll sometimes, but very often I provide factual information.

Poles were serving in the German army from the start; all those whose parents were German citizens before WWI were considered German citizens, and their children were conscripted to the Wehrmacht.
There is a story about Polish soldiers fighting in Africa as part of the British corps. One soldier, frustrated by the arrogant attitude of the British officers, said to his colonel, "Sir, look at those upstarts, so full of themselves! Not long ago, they were running like rabbits from us." After further investigation, the colonel learned that the 'we' the soldier referred to were the Deutsches Afrika Korps under Erwin Rommel.

I know, thats what I had learned and thought till now too....but read the article....it's about real Polish-Poles, not German-Poles....

The important point was seemingly not so much recruitment to fight for Hitler and the Nazis but to fight against Communism and the coming Soviets!

You forget the partition of Poland. Those German citizens before WWI were often very patriotic Poles.

....by 1944, the high time of the action "White Eagle", there were no german-Poles left to conscript, I guess...

I understand the article and the point it makes. It discusses how the German state at the time sought to recruit as many soldiers as possible for its army. This effort extended even to Poles who had no prior connection to Germany. Nonetheless, there were already many Poles conscripted into the Wehrmacht, which is my point.
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They were not German-Poles; they were children of former German citizens, very often born and raised in Poland, citizens of Poland, and patriots of Poland.

Thing is, "White Eagle" wasn't about conscription....it was strictly voluntary! The big difference to all able men with only the slightest germanic root, no matter how old or how tiny, they had no choice! The Poles had!

It wasn't very successful.

.....no, absolutely not!

It wasn't very convincing or enticing at that point, everybody and his mum knew that the Germans had it coming, also the Polish underground would make short work of any volunteer to the German army.

...yeah...not to forget the years of abuse and bad treatment of Poles before, what did they actually expect????

@Bratwurst Boy
#148
Not fully sure but, deducting from the propaganda aimed at Polish soldiers in Monte Cassino (Why do you Poles even bother? Russians are coming)

I guess the thought of, or rather desperate hope of hate/fear of communism in Poland would be strong enough to recruit a few thousand at least. Forced work on building defences in Warsaw sparked the uprising after all. After that surrender of Cracow happened, not many Polish cities were seen as feasible to defend is my best guess.