Are Poles happy with the current Polish borders?

Poland lost beautiful cities like Lwów, Wilno or Stanisławów but gained on the other hand highly industrialized lands with also beautiful cities (Wrocław, Gdańsk, maybe Szczecin). I think the western lands are strategically much more important and I'd not like to have our former eastern lands instead of current ones. Plus Poland is now ethnically homogoneus as opposed to the Parrabellum time

What is your opinion?

it is a fine city


because you kicked all the Germans out. Homogenous is not good since it causes inbred characteristics such as stupidity among other things, it is better to have a variety of genes. Look at the USA.

But of course, you can eat only bigos until the end of your life and watch a mediocre Polish football;)

I agree with you.


Aphrodisaic Poland would be another Jugoslavia if it was like before war.

Hey, you weren't in Poznan last night ;)

You might be right about the effects of inbreading, but looking at the USA, well... the example is a little unfortunate ;)

Your general thesis flies in the face of the Jewish intellectual accomplishments. Few nations are as inbread as Jews.

Someone copyright this phrase, and fast!

The question is moot. Lithuanians and Ukrainians are not about to stand by and do nothing as Vilnius or Lviv turn back into Wilno or Lwów.

And if they did then I think certain neighbor to the west might have a thing to say about Szczecin and Wrocław....

Now if I were drawing the boundaries after WWII they would have looked a lot different (with roughly the western and eastern borders as before the war (and some of the northeast space and Konigsberg given to Lithuania and definitely no Russian enclave between Poland and Lithua. But I was in no position to dictate terms (since I wasn't born yet).

All things considered, it's a topic best left forgotten.

Finally, is this thread crow bait? I expect a lot of rambling about Sarmatia, Slavija and the crucial role of Serbia in uniting all Slavs any second now.

Is this what they learn you in North America? Or maybe you are ironic

^^^ I meant "teach you"

As I recall - Lithuania strongly protested about being "given" Kaliningrad - possibly because it was devastated and poor. That's the reason for the existence of the Kaliningrad exclave.


Would that really be possible, given that for defensive reasons, the Allies wanted the Polish-German border to be along natural features? You'd also have had the same old problem in Galicia - a Ukrainian minority that hates the Polish majority's guts.

Serbia should rather unite with Turkey or Bulgaria because they are genetically closer to them than to Poles

IIRC that was around the time the USSR broke up, it souldn't have been the case maybe right after WWII (when there was no independent Lithuania anyway). But a hopefully independent Lithuania then might like having another showcase city (to make up for not having Wilno).


Oh I could have handled that somehow (waves hand dismissively) and the Oder isn't much of a defensible natural feature anyway. And the Ukes could have been shipped to eastern Ukraine, Odessa and the Crimea to help Ukrainize those places.

The Krauts were duly penalised for launching World War Two and killing 3 million Polish citizens by losing Niederschlesien and other areas north to Westpommern, but the &!%#?$ß?Rooskies got off scot free. Although they were co-aggressors and Hitler allies, they not only annexed the eastern half fo Poland but never saw fit to return it. By rights, those 'ziemie utracone' should also have been returned to Poland. Soviet Russia surely had no dearth of territory! The resultant Poland would still have been smaller in the east than before the partitons, but what the heck!?

Only Poles died? geeezz didnt know that.

I'm not !

Neither am I.

I hear the Caribbean is nice this time of year ;)

On the other hand, Germany and Poland lost the war, the Soviets won it.

The Soviets won only thanks to that senile paralytic FDR who sold Poland down the river. At least Churchill had the guts to see the error of his ways and made his famous iron curtain speech... Wasn't it our Gen. Patton who wanted to move across the River £aba and finish the job by rolling back the Soviets...preferably to beyond the Urals? Then Poland could have recovered her pre-partition territory and add some extra land as compensation collaboration with the third Reich, Katyń, Siberia, Kazakhstan and other Russian atrocities.

Patton wanted to incorporate the Wehrmacht and roll on East. Ike and FDR/Truman wanted to prevent a bloodbath.

I hadn't thought of that. Sounds like a great idea. What was left of the Wehrmacht plus every manner of Landsturm formation (all Germans 16-60 would be conscripted and armed) would be forced at US gunpoint to repel the Rooskies who, knowing the might of Uncle Sam was behind the offensive, would surely high-tail the hell back home. Many would get finished off by the NKVD troops shooting dead anyone retreating but they too would eventually get trampled underfoot by the fleeing Red Army hordes. All in all, the red and brown bastards would finish each other off and Poland...could live happily ever after!

Poland would get her pre-partition boundaries back in the east plus most of the territoriy up to the £aba (some going to Czechoslovakia of course) in the West. The land west of the £aba would largely get divided up amongst Denmark, Holland and France, leaving a German General Government reserve for German aborigines under joint Polish-Western Ally military occupation...

As much as idea of not having fifty years of communism here sounds fantastic, I think you don't fully comprehend the fact, that you parallel history would mean that Poland would have become a battleground of WWII for the third time, at least. After that there wouldn't have been much left here to even name the country. Poland would have been an empty shell after that... Now, at least we have Cracov untouched. If we add to that atomic bomb which was invented around that time...

Anyway considering circumstances current borders are quite ok, and I wouldn't mind to stay it that way to the end of time ;)

as expected you have soiled your underwear again ...

Indeed - Poland suffered from the fact that the country more or less ceased to exist as a viable entity during WW2.


I guess at that time, they could have easily dropped a couple of nukes in Russia to force her into submission quickly and effectively. But at what cost?

Taking under consideration Polish situation in 45' we really cant complain about our borders.

I am definately happy about their current shape.

Right now it would be handy for me if they included Moscow...it would save a lot of hastle with visa,s

No, of course I'm not happy with the Polish borders! I want to see the whole world turn into Poland. (Except for the food!)

;)

Have you lost your plastic soldiers somewhere? I dedicate you this song:



;-)

Look at the States for what? Ethnic diversity, yes. But, that doesn't mean people are intermarrying. Sure, enough are, but they're loosing their ethnic identity and cultural ties. Then we end up with these black people in power (be it as employer, mayor, president) and the sad part is that most of them insist on playing the race card and basically complaining for the hundreds of years of slavery (in their own ways, of course).

Ethnic diversity is still a rarity in many small rural areas in America too. And they usually have better (sometimes nepotistic) communities (things actually get done instead of complaining)

It's America, what identity are you talking about?

That song is rubbish and hardly funny!
I dedicate you this song, is much better :):

absolutely not, Polish borders are unattractive and boring, I suggest building giant Jesus statues all around, and floating ones in the Baltic.