Poles should emulate Jews?

The article you linked mentions that 41% of young Poles plan to emigrate. But people consider doing things all the time. However, it's one thing to make a plan and something entirely different to carry through with it. And then there are those who can start a plan but it fails.

Your article also didn't say how long young Poles plan to stay away. Emigration isn't always permanent and also requires the host country to approve permanent settlement. This shouldn't be taken for granted no matter how eager someone might want to leave their homeland.

Nevertheless, one explanation is that Poland's tax system does not favor young workers:

"A PWC consultancy report has found that Poland's tax system is not favourable to people entering the job market, contributing to pushing youth into working abroad."

Article Title: Tax system causing youth to emigrate?
Source:
thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/201393,Tax-system-causing-youth-to-emigrate

And in keeping with the title of this thread, another explanation of 41% of Poles planning to leave Poland would be that they are merely emulating their Israeli counterparts:

"...almost 40% of Israeli youth are willing to leave their homeland and intend to build their lives elsewhere."

Article Title: The real reason young Israelis are leaving the country
Source:
haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.622367

I imagine this 40% figure would be pretty much universal among young people. Simply look at the thousands upon thousands of mostly young third worlders streaming into Western countries each and every day.

Nice post, Bieganski.


That's an interesting thought. Is that mostly based on economic necessity or "political claustrophobia" (quoting Haaretz), or are young people simply more adventurous these days, what do you think? I have a hard time comparing Poland to Israel, especially when I look at the powder keg that is the Middle East.

Young people's desire to go abroad could be due to seeking better economic opportunities or to escape some form of harm or persecution.

But the young being the young it is most likely just wanting to do what they see others in their age group are doing without necessarily thinking through any long term outcomes of their actions. The world is more interconnected today than ever and communication and travel are cheap. Young people seeing their peers visiting, studying or working in other countries could easily be regarded as a form of cachet that they would want for themselves too.

Moving around is simply being human. Humans have always migrated and Poles have a very long tradition of spreading out to other parts of the world. Migration is hardly a trademark of the so-called wandering Jews and so it is nothing whereby Poles need to turn to Jews to learn anything about.

Makes sense in a way, but we shouldn't forget that the 41% are on top of the millions that left Poland in the (relatively) recent past already. Wonder if that is going to bite Poland one day. Economic success needs people to feed it.

i think that Poles don`t need to emulate Jews, with all due respect on Jews. Why more foreign elements in Polish culture?

Poles should emulate themselves. When we are at giving advices to Poles, i think, in my opinion that Poles needs to start to celebrate (to re-celebrate) SLAVA, for example. Its a nice, known back in ancient time, universal Slavic family celebration.

Young people willing to immigrate doesn't have relation with economic situation.

It is NORMAL for young people will to emigrate, even when the economic situation is good. Just see how many people left countries like Switzerland or Finland to open companies in places like Singapore, Silicon Valley, etc.

If you have a young generation that doesn't want to immigrate and bring money to your country, maybe then you have a problem.

Depends on how long they plan to stay away. If 41% of the young people (on top of those that have already left!) consider to leave home and wouldn't return for a decade or so, then Poland will be in deep trouble unless they can fill the vacant spots with trained people from somewhere else. A shrinking population (due to low birth rates and emigration) is not the best foundation for future economic growth.

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lol polish people blaming the jews now?

saying they killed them in actually? is this what the polish govt or pis as this channel is called narional media claims? and you guys srill dont think kamala harris will sell poland or cancel culture it like yalta to putin?

youtu.be/EVR1DovSf6o

People, why should anti-Semitism remain such a shock? Look at the facts. Practically no other European country has been as staunchly Roman Catholic as Poland. What language did to serve as the glue to hold together all German lands, faith did for the Polish people.The Church preached that the Jews crucified Jesus and the Poles swallowed it hook line and sinker, with precious few exceptions

I was raised as a Catholic. Not once did "Jews crucified Jesus" come up in my presence. Ever.
That the Jews were Soviets proxies - except worse - did. A lot.

Never?! Really. Guess you were more fortunate than most:-)

I looked at the posts by Bieganski and found this.

It's very telling, isn't it? Why would Jews insist on not fighting alongside Poles in defending Poland?

Apart from wanting no accountability to Polish superiors, it would also indicate that Jews in Poland were only willing to take up arms in order to defend themselves and their separate Jewish communities and not their Polish neighbors and all of Poland.

When I was in high school we were never told about Jews volunteering to fight along with the Polish soldiers. Very strange considering that Germany's feelings toward Jews were already well known.

This makes the task of answering the question if Poles should emulate Jews easy: Hell, no!

Bieganski lied and you repeat its lies without one single reflection. Jews fought for Poland - let me remind you that 10% officers executed in Katyń were of Jewish decent. Try to be better historically informed next time.

yes for once i agree with pawian and also president duda, not only were they nasi żydzi they were simply nasi. novi shut your redneck mouth

He is only provoking to stir the pond. But his general vews on Jews are positive, as far as I remember from his past discussions with Dirk Diggler. After all, he has Jewish roots himself.

It's a question of attitude. Did Jews see Poland and had the same kind of undivided loyalty to Poland as did Polish Catholics. Being an officer proves nothing.

We have foreigners here who join the US army for totally selfish reasons, not because they consider the US their fatherland.

Assimilated Jews were loyal Poles, Germans, French etc.

The master of evasion thinks he can smuggle that one in...


Assimilated Jews as opposed to the unassimilated Jews? Or assimilated Catholics? Have you ever used the term "assimilated Catholics"?

If in 1938, Poland conducted a census, how would the Jews in Poland then answer, are you Polish? How many would say, yes, of course - meaning why are you asking me stupid questions like that? And how many would say, I am Jewish?

Catholics were a majority, Jews weren't!

So, have you ever used the term "assimilated Catholics" - with many generations born and raised in Poland?

Of course not. Why then did you use the term "assimilated Jews" - with many generations born and raised in Poland?

What's the difference?

Go back to grade school!

Playing stupid, again. And, again, it will not work with me.

Since you are clueless, let me explain... Assimilation and religion do not connect in any way. Religion goes with convert - an event that is instant. Monday, you are a Catholic, and Tuesday you are Jewish - if that was your decision.

Assimilation is a process that takes years, if not a generation. I did my very best to "assimilate" in the US, including picking up the slang and accent. My kids were born here and didn't need any "assimilating". They were born and raised as Americans and have no loyalties to any other country - just like their dad.

When you use the term "assimilated Jews", you are revealing that they were foreign implants who "assimilated" as opposed to those who didn't.

Now that you finally know the difference between "assimilate" and "convert", don't try to smuggle that "assimilated Jews" meaning religion anymore. The only sense it makes if "Jews" means a tribe, separate and apart from the Poles, not from the Catholics.

Then the phrase "Poles and Jews" finally makes sense and that is why many Poles didn't like Jews, not because of their religion or Jesus.

Is that why your family decided to emigrate in 1960s?

@Novichok, I am assimilated, but not a convert.

Assimilated from what to what?

Yes, Novi is obfuscating in order to cover the fact he got confused with his own logic.


Lyzko has already explained that Catholics were not assimilated coz they constituted majority.


No, he isn`t. It is your twisted logic. Assimilated means that Jews dropped the Jewish language, culture, traditions and religion and in result they stopped being a minority.

Now, a question arises: do you believe that a minority is a foreign implant in a nation??

Antisemitism Rates by Continent

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_antisemitism

Africa...................43
Australia..............14
Eurasia................25
North America.....15
South America.....24
World...................26

Poland.................37

Here is the problem for the ADL: how to make the numbers high for donations and sympathy without saying they hate us everywhere.

Look, I know you can be embittered. But, you can`t perceive the world in dark colours only.. Antisemites are nowhere a majority. There is still hope.

Antisemitism Rates by Continent (based on above figures from ADL)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_antisemitism