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Poles should emulate Jews?


Ironside 50 | 10,907
30 Jun 2010 #31
Poles should promote more what they have and what they have done rather than seeking to emulate anyone. Play to its strengths if you will :) :)

I concur, idea of emulating somebody else is a very strange concept, reeking of complexes and self-doubt.
The reasons of Polish weaknesses is complex and cannot be remedy by some copying, anyway who would execute it?
Polonius I'll be blunt - its nonsense!

I-S (simple)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
30 Jun 2010 #32
The reasons of Polish weaknesses is complex and cannot be remedy by some copying, anyway who would execute it?

Agreed.

I-S (simple)

And merrily emulating me :)))

>^..^<

M-G (imitation is the highest form of respect)
Ironside 50 | 10,907
30 Jun 2010 #33
And merrily emulating me :)))

only form not content :)

I-S ( well, I respect you although I often disagree with you)
MareGaea 29 | 2,752
30 Jun 2010 #34
Well, disagreement doesn't rule out respect, doesn't it?

>^..^<

M-G (and that's a fact)
sobieski 107 | 2,128
30 Jun 2010 #35
There are other threads for that and not all of us live in Warsaw ;) ;)

I don't see the motivation of posters here. Almost everyone I meet in Gliwice doesn't discuss the Jewish question. They let sleeping dogs lie and have their own standards to meet.

About not living in Warsaw - I agree :)
I do not know anybody at all who ever mentioned something about a "Jewish Question" in my social circle, nor at work. Perhaps I did not meet any "Nasz Dziennik" readers yet :)

For that matter, hardly anybody is mentioning the elections as well.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
30 Jun 2010 #36
Precisely, Poles should promote their own country's heritage, assets, traditions and values, but not with 'przepraszam, że żyję' timidity but with Jewish-style dertermination and assertiveness, at times bordering on hucpa. And they should learn practical day-to-day solidarity with a motto such as 'No Pole is an enemy and every Pole is a brother-Pole!'
Seanus 15 | 19,706
30 Jun 2010 #37
You think Poles don't do that, Pol3? They are very aware of their cultural offerings, being so in-looking (introspective). Besides, they have chances to promote their culture through exchange programs and extensive travelling opportunities.
poland_
1 Jul 2010 #38
I meant that Israel has caused the US to have to go to war with Iran we have no choice. They may not be fighting the wars, but they caused them. I think they very well may be the underground cause of all of the muslim terrorism 9/11 and such.

Firstly, when did the US go to war with Iran, Secondly, Iran is in the process of building a nuclear arsenal and has threatened to wipe Israel off the map. It was the British/Americans that created Israel and displaced the Palestinians, so this issue has always given the muslim hard liners something to use. We have to hope that the dispute with Iran will be resolved through dialogue, because a conflict with Iran would be a stage too far for the world.
Miguel Colombia - | 351
1 Jul 2010 #39
displaced the Palestinians

Wrong. Palestinians were given the chance to have their own independant state next to the Jewish, Israeli state. What did they do? They refused that offer and decided to sacrifice themselves in order to kick the Jews out.

dialogue,

Now that's some wishful thinking there. As much as it sucks, I think this conflict with Iran is something that is just...supposed to be.

Maktub.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
1 Jul 2010 #40
The "Jewish" state is placed upon a land that was christian, muslim and jewish. Hundreds of thousands of Christians and Muslims were forced out to make the place majority Jewish. Those people are going to come back. The "Jewish" state needs to follow the example of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and accept the multi-denominational character of the area.
alexw68
1 Jul 2010 #41
The "Jewish" state needs to follow the example of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and accept the multi-denominational character of the area.

You're right. But you're talking about the State as distinct from its citizens. It's also incumbent - perhaps more so - on the potential citizenry of that Commonwealth, which for the foreseeable future is hellbent on grabbing its neighbours warmly by the throat.
Des Essientes 7 | 1,291
1 Jul 2010 #42
This argument-- that multi-denominational equality would be ideal for Palestine, but the Semites are too quarrelsome and bloodthirsty to cooperate with each-other-- is essentially the same as the one used by Germans, and others, to argue against the viability of the Rezpublica during the time of partition.
alexw68
1 Jul 2010 #43
Probably a fair point. The West has 'imposed' self-determination on Iraq and Afghanistan as a matter of policy following invasions - later, if likely not sooner, the political & religious culture of the region may achieve the necessary character for this to happen without outside intervention. The opportunity has to be given, even if as it looks right now we 'can't get to there from here'.

But the interim period would have to be policed. I'd hazard a guess that, unless the UN can rustle up a couple of battalions of crack Inuit peacekeepers, there's no institution on earth that would be unobjectionable to both parties and have the necessary muscle to enforce a ceasefire.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
1 Jul 2010 #44
I don't think it can happen over night out of a clear blue sky, but if individual Poles were to see the necessity of such action, then it could take eventually become reality. How does anything get started? Often by word of mouth. Someone drops an idea, someone else picks up on it, some else refines and improves it. Some celeb mentions it on a talk show, a poltician touches on it in a speech, a manufacturer uses it in an advert, and before long.....

When one thinks of some of the worthless crap (products, 'music', causes, fads, lifestyles, notions, buzz-words) that are being peddled and swallowed by the gullible public, why cannot occasionally something meaningful catch on? Anyway...as your great English bard once said...'hope springs eternal in the human breast!'
Matowy - | 295
1 Jul 2010 #45
When one thinks of some of the worthless crap (products, 'music', causes, fads, lifestyles, notions, buzz-words) that are being peddled and swallowed by the gullible public, why cannot occasionally something meaningful catch on?

Because those worthless things are popular precisely because they are worthless. And you assume that this idea of Polish solidarity is a meaningful one...
poland_
1 Jul 2010 #47
Wrong. Palestinians were given the chance to have their own independant state next to the Jewish, Israeli state. What did they do? They refused that offer and decided to sacrifice themselves in order to kick the Jews out.

I understand the meaning of a displaced person to be -One who has been driven from one's homeland by war or internal upheaval.

Now that's some wishful thinking there. As much as it sucks, I think this conflict with Iran is something that is just...supposed to be.

Quite frankly it does not matter what you think from the comfort of your armchair. The people of the middle east do not want another conflict in the region. Moreover, another war would be a financial disaster for Europe/America.
Miguel Colombia - | 351
1 Jul 2010 #48
The people of the middle east do not want another conflict in the region.

That's why they support the politicians they support? And now I mean both sides.
Matowy - | 295
1 Jul 2010 #49
Don't overestimate the power of democracy. The freedom to vote is simply a freedom to choose the lesser evil.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
1 Jul 2010 #50
How does anything get started?

By the work of chosen few. So, called elite is what Poland is lacking!
poland_
1 Jul 2010 #51
What about the intelligentsia is this not the so, called elite. That you consider Poland to be lacking.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
1 Jul 2010 #52
What about the intelligentsia

WHAT intelligentsia?
alexw68
1 Jul 2010 #53
- The guys who are pissing all over their Western European counterparts in computer coding and higher maths (Poles have had consistent high placings in Google's 'summer of code' programs for at least three years now);

- The perhaps more introspective and less pragmatic partially self-taught historian (there's one on every staircase);
- The artists and musicians (Leszek Mozdzer, a host of other fine pianists to limit it to but one instrument) of international repute - and the others the rest of the world simply hasn't got clued up to yet;

It's a more widely distributed intelligentsia now (and certainly not as classbound as the saloniści of yore) but it's there. It's simply moved on and doesn't get hung up on Kant and Hegel in the context of frickin' 70s jazz rock - as was the case not so very long ago in some of the samizdat journals.

Applied intelligentsia. we salute you.

A

PS for many years - especially when Poland was under the Partitions - the traditional expectation was that a member of the intellectual elite would, sooner or later, be a big face on the political stage. And there, my Friend, I must entirely agree with you.
Ironside 50 | 10,907
2 Jul 2010 #54
The guys

Well, it all a very nice but I fail to see political elite or any other having impact on the way Poland is govern.
alexw68
2 Jul 2010 #55
You read my post to the end, then ? :)
Ironside 50 | 10,907
2 Jul 2010 #56
One swallow does not make spring :)

I can be enigmatic too:)
poland_
6 Jul 2010 #57
One swallow does not make spring :)

Drinking from the cup of red and white, can certainly make the brain function better.
Nickidewbear 23 | 584
21 Aug 2011 #58
I admit I personally feel resentful about what I sometimes see as Jewish pushiness and exclusivist, including various anti-Polish attitudes.

Dwarim (Dvarim) 9:4-21 speaks to this very issue.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
21 Aug 2011 #59
You choose who you want as a role model in your life, whether they be Jewish or otherwise. There are plenty successful Jews in many walks of life so they make for good choices but carving out your own formula with minor influences is the preferred way.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
16 Mar 2015 #60
Merged: Comparing Polish and Jewish success levels?

The quality of life in various countries is often measured on the basis of a composite of negatives and positives. Life is good in a country that has a low crime, accident, suicide, divorce and homelessness rate as well as a high level of literacy, education, entrepreneurship, income and environmental awareness, etc.

I believe nations can be evaluated in a similar way on the basis of how a specific people have well used the givens they have received: territory, climate, geographic location, natural wealth, human resources, etc. Such an analysis would eschew any moral considerations because one nation's success if often achieved at another's expense. One must assume for the purpose of such an analysis that the goal of every nation like that of every living organism is to SURVIVE AND THRIVE.

On that basis, Jews rank at or near the top of the world's most successful nations. Poles are considerably lower, although it would be difficult if not impossible to assign percentage values to such a comparison.


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