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If Poles were antisemitic, would they ...?



OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
7 Aug 2013  #61

niestety absolutnie NIE rozumiałes żart mojego zdania! US humor frequently makes clever use of deadly sarcasm aimed at foolish statements, notions or assertions by pretending to tacitly AGREE with them by seeming to take the other's viewpoint while actually being against their argument, as I was vis-a-vis the idea that Jews are somehow getting too much attention:-)
lol

:):) I am still lost! :):):) Are you talking now about that Christmas witticism or your words about inborn antisemitism???? :):)


Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
7 Aug 2013  #62

Boy oh Boy, Paw! Oughta pack it in, buddy, check out! You missed my point by a country mile.

NOOOOOO, I'm using Christmas as a friggin' analogy of what people would think were I too criticize the worldwide celebration of Christmas, even though I'm Jewish!

Twój angielski jest nieźle, ale brak Ci słów:-)
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
7 Aug 2013  #63

Your style reminds me of a certain poster who used to frequent this forum before but I forgot the name. What was your previous nick here??? :):):)

OK, never mind.

Let`s get back to topic, shall we?

PS.

were I too criticize

By too you mean too or to?

Let`s get back to topic, shall we?

While we were spending holidays in Kłodzko Land near Wrocław, I studied maps of the region, with towns and settlements. It struck me how many of them, even small ones, have street names like Ghetto Heroes Street. And they are main streets in the towns.

Now I am googling and it seems that most Polish cities and towns have such a street.

In Krakow it is a square, not street.

It has become a giant historical monument

Polish Ghetto Square

Polish Ghetto Square--

Polish Ghetto Square--

Your style reminds me of a certain poster who used to frequent this forum before but I forgot the name. What was your previous nick here??? :):):)

Włodek, I just recalled your previous identity. Welcome back! Good to have you here again! :):):)
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #65

While we were spending holidays in Kłodzko Land near Wrocław, I studied maps of the region, with towns and settlements. It struck me how many of them, even small ones, have street names like Ghetto Heroes Street. And they are main streets in the towns.

The region was once Regained Lands, previously under German control, which Poland received from allies after WW2.

Świdnica, 65 km from Wrocław,
when in Germany, Church Gate Street

Ghetto Heroes Street Poland

In Poland renamed Ghetto Heroes Street

Ghetto Heroes Street Poland
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #66

Half of all Polish place names, especially towns and cities, have German equivalents, e.g. Bytom - Beuthen, Jasna Góra - Hellberg etc...
TheOther 5 | 3,027    
8 Aug 2013  #67

No wonder. Half of modern day Poland had been Prussian, German or Austrian for a very long time.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #68

A slightly off-topic aside to your post, Other, but all too many non-Europeans think that the Prussians were either Slavs or even Teutons, when in point of fact they were Balts:-)

Indeed, "Teutsche Lande" extended far, far East, well into the present-day Eurasian part of contemporary Russia. Old signs bear ample testament to same.
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #69

Half of all Polish place names, especially towns and cities, have German equivalents, e.g. Bytom - Beuthen, Jasna Góra - Hellberg etc...

No wonder. Half of modern day Poland had been Prussian, German or Austrian for a very long time.

Possible, but .....
.................how does it conform to the subject matter of this thread????

Jasna Góra - Hellberg etc...

Not the best example.. :):):) Too ambiguousss....
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #70

Simple! Most of the Polish Jews were originally German or Yiddish speaking immigrants to Poland from neighboring territories under German domination, that's all ^^

Not the best example??! Oh, is that so, Pawian? Could you think of a better one then?
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #71

Simple! Most of the Polish Jews were originally German or Yiddish speaking immigrants to Poland from neighboring territories under German domination, that's all ^^

Ok, I am absolving you. But remember, this thread is about Poles and Jews, not Germans. :):):):):):)

Not the best example??! Oh, is that so, Pawian? Could you think of a better one then?

No. Do some research yourself and tell us why Jasna Góra vel/aka Hellberg wasn`t a good example. :):):)
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #72

Thank you, oh, Gracious Benefactor! Now I can sleep a little easier:-)
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #73

Thank you,

I edited my last post. Go back to it.
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #74

My "research" consists/consisted of pouring over old Baedeker maps as well as Westermann Atlases from the Nazi period which bear out one hundred percent what I posted: Jasna Góra - Hellberg (jasn- = hell, góra = Berg), £ódź - Litzmannstadt/Lodsch etc....

You're tellin' ME ol' man Baedeker's wrong???
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #75

No, I am only telling you that Jasna Góra as Hellberg is ambiguous

Not the best example.. :):):) Too ambiguousss....

and therefore you shouldn`t provide it as an example. Give up Nazi atlases and do some googling, instead. :):):)

Clue: which Jasna Góra aka Hellberg do you mean?
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #76

Which one do you mean. Pawian? Second of all, "googling", like "wikiing" is about as unreliable as one can get! Old German atlases were thorough to the core, influenced by nationalistic bias as the atlases of any other country!!
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #77

Which one do you mean. Pawian?

No. I asked you this question:

Clue: which Jasna Góra aka Hellberg do you mean?

Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
8 Aug 2013  #78

The only one with which I'm familiar lies in the center of the country:-)
Bieganski 15 | 788    
8 Aug 2013  #79

I couldn't care less if you like the semites, the hittites or the midianites.

But you care enough to tell me so.

Just stop setting up straw arguments and fake quotes so that you can knock them down, as if you're fearlessly debunking a myth

Straw arguments, fake quotes and myths? But that's the essence of religious beliefs particularly the Abrahamic faiths. I must say I've never been mistaken for a priest or rabbi like this before.

Face it, you are just showing that you are extremely uncomfortable when someone comes along and doesn't express fawning opinions about Jews. You're typically thin skinned so your reaction isn't surprising.

No, we don't cry that. When the hell do we ever go telling people that we're chosen?

Of course you do. You just don't like it when others point it out to you.

And what does Zionism have to do with "Chosenness".

Just ask any Jewish settler camped out on stolen Palestinian land or the ones that tear down Palestinian olive trees or the ones that abuse and even kill Palestinians with impunity while Israeli stormtroopers stand close by watching and doing nothing to stop these crimes.There are scores of raw videos and propaganda pieces online of them displaying their fanatical Zionist beliefs of being "Gawd's Chosen." This is their battle cry as they carry out human rights abuses which the UN has repeatedly passed resolution after resolution condemning such behavior. Does the tyrant Netanyahu do anything to stop the terror being carried out under his nose? Of course not. He gives the settlers even more subsidies courtesy of the Zionists lobbying corrupt politicians in capitals all around the world for money in order to fund this campaign of slow genocide.

Zionism was a political and cultural movement to promote the idea of Jews returning to their homeland to be independent, reviving the Hebrew language and settling the land. Nothing to do with any sense of superiority.

Right. Sure. You may want the world to believe that Jews living in Israel and Jews outside supporting Israel are really just a bunch of free-loving peaceniks. But this lie of yours simply isn't convincing. It is clear for all to see that Israel is armed to the teeth including possessing nuclear weapons (unlike other countries in the region) and all the while it treats the Palestinians like farm animals. And the justification they use? "Gawd gave us this land."

Yep, no sense of superiority; never a claim of being "chosen."

You got that right. We won't. And we'll draw our own conclusions about that.

Jews were only some of the victims not all of the victims.

Who are you quoting here? We don't say that Jews are the only victims of hate in the world.

When the media or politicians or academics discuss the Holocaust who gets mentioned every single time? The Jews. And how often in comparison do the millions upon millions of other victims get mentioned? Virtually never and in the rare times that they are mentioned it is immediately downplayed.

And I guess you are going to tell us that Jews have never moaned about having to move from country to country, century after century, because of how badly the rest of the world has treated them. But then there is always the big inconsistency about this when Jews start to brag of contributing so much everywhere they've been. Hmmm, now how can the Jews be constantly on a forced march and even slaughtered but still somehow manage to have so much free time and resources to supposedly contribute so much to of all people their many alleged persecutors?

And why do threads get frequently started on here about otherwise ignored "studies" from de facto and de jure Zionist organizations about which countries are the most attendant to the presence of a Jew and which ones could careless because they got enough important things like their own native population to worry about? Why are such "studies" even carried out at all if not for propaganda purposes?

And did you know that America's State Department has a Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism? Really?! Talk about a "woe is us" mentality that has become fully bureaucratized!

Now which other real victims in this world get this level of public and expensive attention and assistance? None.

You're just an obnoxious overly-defensive person who has a problem with Jews.

That's rich for an admitted Zionist to be calling anyone else obnoxious. And if you weren't an overly-defensive person you wouldn't have found the need to reply to me point by point like you did.

That's your problem, not mine.

And yet you took the trouble to tell me so.

You really need take sometime out for some serious self-reflection. Some solid time on a sofa with a good shrink wouldn't go amiss either.

I stress that the poster in question is not Polish.

And this remark coming from a British migrant who teaches English and never posts anything in Polish despite claiming to have lived in Poland for several years now. Yep, the same sort who would waste hours arguing that he himself is somehow Polish but someone like Zbigniew Brzezinski isn't.

He's not Polish, he's from North America. He's posted on here under many different names, too, and has a long history of ranting about Jews and alleged "Polonophobia".

delphiandomine: No, not him ;)

delphiandomine: It's Puzzler, Krzyki and many other names - he was on here the other day using yet another name too. He gives the game away every time by talking about Polonophobia and Jews.

Talk about having bizarre delusions! Cuckoo! Cuckoo! LOL!

Psst, I'll let you in on a little secret. There's really only two people here on the planet. You and me using 7 billion different identities. LOL!
McDouche 6 | 286    
8 Aug 2013  #80

of course some Poles are anti-semites (some of every nation are utter morons); however, most Poles frankly couldn't give a toss whether somebody is Jewish or not.

I would still have to say anti-Semitism is more significant in Poland than in most other European countries.
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
8 Aug 2013  #81

The only one with which I'm familiar lies in the center of the country:-)

So there are two Hellbergs in Poland - the one in Częstochowa and another in Głogówek, for a long time under German control so the German name stayed as more popular, and they even have legends connected with it.

parafia.glogovia.pl/print.php?type=N&item_id=132

Now I am googling and it seems that most Polish cities and towns have such a street.

Warsaw
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalewki
Nalewki is a former name of the Bohaterów Getta (Heroes of the Ghetto) street in Warsaw, Poland, as well as a name applied to the entire borough around it. The street runs from the Długa Street (Long Street) in the New Town towards what was the northern outskirts of the city in 19th century, and the neighbourhood of Muranów. Until World War II inhabited primarily by Jews, after the war it was rebuilt only partially, part of its former course taken up by a park established after the war. (The historical Nalewki Street's intersection with Franciszkańska

Once it looked like this

Nalewki street in Warsaw, Poland-

Nalewki street in Warsaw, Poland-

Today

Nalewki street in Warsaw, Poland-
Wlodzimierz 4 | 544    
9 Aug 2013  #82

Never realized there are two, Pawian!

I stand enlightened (..and corrected)
:-)
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
18 Aug 2013  #83

If Poles were antisemitic, would they ............ ?

name hundreds of schools/streets/institutions all over Poland after the names of famous Poles of Jewish origin?

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delphiandomine 87 | 15,798    
18 Aug 2013  #84

Certainly they wouldn't have a year named after one, would they? :)
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
18 Aug 2013  #85

Korczak 2012???

Korczak 2012 Poland
delphiandomine 87 | 15,798    
18 Aug 2013  #86

Yes, one of my all time favourite Poles. Even today, his ideas are still ahead of their time.

He certainly wouldn't be getting anywhere near the credit he gets if Poles were anti-semitic.
1jola 14 | 1,884    
18 Aug 2013  #87

What have read by your all time favorite Pole?
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
18 Aug 2013  #88

As for me, as a child I read King Maciuś I. Only once because I thought it was a very sad story.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Matt_the_First

King Matt the First (Polish: Król Maciuś Pierwszy) is a children's novel by Polish author, physician, and child pedagogue Janusz Korczak. In addition to telling the story of a young king's adventures, it describes many social reforms, particularly targeting children, some of which Korczak enacted in his own orphanage, and is a thinly veiled allegory of contemporary and historical events in Poland. The book has been described as being as popular in Poland as Peter Pan was in the English-speaking world.[1][2] It was the first of Korczak's novels to be translated into English - several of his pedagogical works have been translated, and more recently his novel Kaytek the Wizard was also published in English.

Today I sometimes watch the cartoon with my kids:


sofijufka 2 | 191    
18 Aug 2013  #89

I have read all of King Maciuś I, Bankructwo małego Dżeka {Little Jack bancruptcy}, Kajtuś czarodziej [Kajtus the sorcerer}, Dziecko ulicy[ Child of the street], his memories
OP pawian 127 | 6,555    
18 Aug 2013  #90

Bankructwo małego Dżeka {Little Jack bancruptcy},

This was by Korczak too? Shyt, I also read it as a child and remember it as a sad story. No wonder I haven`t read anything else by him. His works could be educational but not too funny.

PS. That wasn`t an antisemitic statement.




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