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Time for Slavic Commonwealth around Poland as center


OP Crow 137 | 7,998
10 Sep 2017 #121
@CasualObserver

Well, actually, your posts offering good base for dialogue, I see it now clearly after I took my glasses.

See, idea of new Commonwealth or to say Intermarium isn`t about nationalism. It accepts differences and see them as advantage, not as a problem. This tolerance and pluralism isn`t reserved only for different ethnicities but also for political ideas. Idea of Intermarium itself reasonably came in existence due to necessity to preserve independence and specifics of Poland and not only of Poland, equally- from the threat from the west of Europe (not only Germany) and from the threat from the east of Europe (primarily Russia). And Intermarium have to encompass Slavs and non-Slavs who live on wast area from Baltic to Adriatic and from Balkan to Ukraine. So, Intermarium is about fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society, sure, society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage due to historical and practical reasons. Here I especially point on English language as official in USA, Australia or Canada. So, same way, for example, Polish language may become official language in Intermarium, if Poland found strength to return to the basic principles of Sarmatism, resisting that way to all possible negative influences that may dispute role of Poland as leading country of the Intermarium.
CasualObserver
10 Sep 2017 #122
You contradict yourself. You say "fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society" but then say "society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage", which sounds a lot like domination of everyone else by Polish-speaking 'Christians and Slavs'. Where does that leave the Tartars, or atheist Czechs? What about the Kosovans (like it or not, they exist)? Why would that 'Intermarium' be any better for Lithuania than the much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU that they already belong to, with its larger trading bloc, larger defence force and guarantee against Polish domination of their own language? Why go for soemthign smaller, weaker and more unbalanced that is based just on the narrow definition of 'Slavs'? What makes you think that the Baltic or Balkan states would want to be in a union dominated by Poland? What would such a union offer to the world, in terms of external trade? The problem with central Europe is that historically it hasn't got anything that anyone else wants, except for location (to be invaded). What would the economy be based upon?

If you want to use the British Commonwealth as an example, then think of India and Africa and the vast number of reglisions and cultures. The only common link is the English language, which is barely understandable between different parts. The other important thing to consider is this: most of the British Commonwealth HATES Britain, for being the dominant (colonial) power. Is that how you want Croatia and Latvia to look to Poland? If you think Brussels is unpopular, why shift the blame to Warsaw? Smaller players always hate the 'capital' (Brussels for the EU, Rome for the Romans, Berlin for the Nazis, London for the British Empire).

So Poland's best option is to be a big player at the top table of the EU - to be close to Brussels/Berlin/Paris in order to influence it, and so gain the trading and defence benefits. The UK was quite good at this (getting many 'special agreements'), by using its economic and defence and reliable governmental power as negotiating tactics. The UK gave stability. Poland is currently doing the opposite - it is isolating itself and appearing unstable. In the end, it will become a client Russian state if it's not careful, not the leader of some glorious Slavic empire. Without EU defence (mostly France & Germany, formerly and possibly still UK), then Poland has no future. Asking Poles to gamble all that way for the sake of Serbian pride is like the flea whispering instructions to the dog.
Crnogorac3 1 | 400
11 Sep 2017 #123
that are liberal, or gay, or internationalist, or globalist, or atheist, or communist, or anything else that you do not like.

Most of all, Serbs despise communists.
youtube.com/watch?v=e-8vhud8MiE

The English and Bulgarians that were left out deserve a mention.
OP Crow 137 | 7,998
11 Sep 2017 #124
You contradict yourself.

not at all.

You say "fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society" but then say "society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage"

Nobody says that modern human civilization gave answer to all open questions. But, that goes for all societies in the world. To function, societies have backbone, spirit, values, dominant culture, etc. To live in organized society, to avoid anarchy, humans pay prices. Why Americans tolerate English language? Canadians? Australians? After all, why entire humanity tolerate English as global language? Simple- interest. See, Intermarium is best what many could get from Baltic to Balkan, Adriatic to Ukraine.

Where does that leave the Tartars,

you mean Tatars? Tartar is sauce

or atheist Czechs?

With rest of us. If they now live in `Judeo-Christian` EU as it is stated in EU proclamation, why wouldn`t they live in `Slavo-Christian` society?

What about the Kosovans (like it or not, they exist)?

Kosovans don`t exist. Exist only Serbs and Albanians of Kosovo. Some others, too. Actually, Albanians call themselves Shquiptars.

Why would that 'Intermarium' be any better for Lithuania than the much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU that they already belong to, with its larger trading bloc, larger defence force and guarantee against Polish domination of their own language?

You should ask that Lithuanians. What they think of `much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU`. As for `larger trading bloc, larger defence force`, forget it. EU would turn to be something else. It would reduce, modify, crumble. It would split on probably three separate conglomerates (one of them being Intermarium). In future, what remain of EU they may name Magna Germania and that would be multi-ethnic and Germano-Christian society.

So, truly, why would Lithuania choose Intermarium over Magna Germania? Maybe they won`t. Who knows. Its interesting question. Same question goes for Estonia and Latvia, too. Today, they are already deeply germanized societies.
Crnogorac3 1 | 400
11 Sep 2017 #125
Kosovo

youtube.com/watch?v=DMZa8ycsqEk

Kosovo - land of holy warriors & rulers

Please focus on Poland
Vesko Vukovic
11 Sep 2017 #126
Most of all, Serbs despise communists.

The damage done by the commies to the Polish economy is estimated to be even worse then during WWII.
CasualObserver
11 Sep 2017 #127
Quite, and it lasted 40 years. Which is why the current "right" claimed by PiS to demand 1 trillion Euros in reparations from Germany, but not mentioning Russia, can be seen for what it is - a childish and transparent attempt to deflect from the EU holding Poland to account on the rule of law, logging of Bialowieza etc, and an attempt by PiS to isolate Poland from the EU so as to secure total power for ever, modelling themselves on their Russian idol (Putin).
Ironside 49 | 10,205
11 Sep 2017 #128
Which is why the current "right" claimed by PiS to demand 1 trillion Euros in reparations from Germany, but not mentioning Russia, can be seen for what it is - a childish

Your comment is childish unless you're getting paid or have some other motive in saying what you say.
RUSSIA never paid any compensation to anyone ever.
Germany are claiming to be a very good friend of Poland. They paid left and right all kind of compensation to anyone but Poland. So what kind of 'friend of Poland' they really are. Time they fessed up.

As for this childish attempt at reducing the issue debated to absurdum - go and get a life observer rather than troll.
OP Crow 137 | 7,998
17 Sep 2017 #129
In that thread, among else, I wanted to present how Poles and Serbians uniting their interests and, among else, intend to give middle finger to English who love mujaheedines. Thread had great perspective.
Vlad1234 16 | 594
13 Feb 2020 #130
Merged:

Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth of the three nations?



Do you think Poles and Lithuanians needed to agree with Ukrainian proposition to create a principality of the three nations - Polish, Lithuanian and Orthodox Rusyn in 17-th century? In which all this nations would have similar rights or at least Rusyns (modern Ukrainians and Belarussians) would have their rights increased somewhat? If yes, what would be a historical consequences of that hypothetic union?
JackRussel
14 Feb 2020 #131
Well Poles and Czechs have the same religion but genetically Czechs are closer to Germans. Less beauties in Prague than any Polish (and Slovak) city.

I think Poles should make a union with Slovaks to have access to more mountains. Language, culture and genetics are very close.
Vlad1234 16 | 594
14 Feb 2020 #132
Poland+Slovakia. What a huge union it would be!


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