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Time for Slavic Commonwealth around Poland as center



OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
10 Sep 2017  #121

@CasualObserver

Well, actually, your posts offering good base for dialogue, I see it now clearly after I took my glasses.

See, idea of new Commonwealth or to say Intermarium isn`t about nationalism. It accepts differences and see them as advantage, not as a problem. This tolerance and pluralism isn`t reserved only for different ethnicities but also for political ideas. Idea of Intermarium itself reasonably came in existence due to necessity to preserve independence and specifics of Poland and not only of Poland, equally- from the threat from the west of Europe (not only Germany) and from the threat from the east of Europe (primarily Russia). And Intermarium have to encompass Slavs and non-Slavs who live on wast area from Baltic to Adriatic and from Balkan to Ukraine. So, Intermarium is about fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society, sure, society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage due to historical and practical reasons. Here I especially point on English language as official in USA, Australia or Canada. So, same way, for example, Polish language may become official language in Intermarium, if Poland found strength to return to the basic principles of Sarmatism, resisting that way to all possible negative influences that may dispute role of Poland as leading country of the Intermarium.


CasualObserver    
10 Sep 2017  #122

You contradict yourself. You say "fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society" but then say "society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage", which sounds a lot like domination of everyone else by Polish-speaking 'Christians and Slavs'. Where does that leave the Tartars, or atheist Czechs? What about the Kosovans (like it or not, they exist)? Why would that 'Intermarium' be any better for Lithuania than the much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU that they already belong to, with its larger trading bloc, larger defence force and guarantee against Polish domination of their own language? Why go for soemthign smaller, weaker and more unbalanced that is based just on the narrow definition of 'Slavs'? What makes you think that the Baltic or Balkan states would want to be in a union dominated by Poland? What would such a union offer to the world, in terms of external trade? The problem with central Europe is that historically it hasn't got anything that anyone else wants, except for location (to be invaded). What would the economy be based upon?

If you want to use the British Commonwealth as an example, then think of India and Africa and the vast number of reglisions and cultures. The only common link is the English language, which is barely understandable between different parts. The other important thing to consider is this: most of the British Commonwealth HATES Britain, for being the dominant (colonial) power. Is that how you want Croatia and Latvia to look to Poland? If you think Brussels is unpopular, why shift the blame to Warsaw? Smaller players always hate the 'capital' (Brussels for the EU, Rome for the Romans, Berlin for the Nazis, London for the British Empire).

So Poland's best option is to be a big player at the top table of the EU - to be close to Brussels/Berlin/Paris in order to influence it, and so gain the trading and defence benefits. The UK was quite good at this (getting many 'special agreements'), by using its economic and defence and reliable governmental power as negotiating tactics. The UK gave stability. Poland is currently doing the opposite - it is isolating itself and appearing unstable. In the end, it will become a client Russian state if it's not careful, not the leader of some glorious Slavic empire. Without EU defence (mostly France & Germany, formerly and possibly still UK), then Poland has no future. Asking Poles to gamble all that way for the sake of Serbian pride is like the flea whispering instructions to the dog.
Crnogorac3 1 | 255    
11 Sep 2017  #123

that are liberal, or gay, or internationalist, or globalist, or atheist, or communist, or anything else that you do not like.

Most of all, Serbs despise communists.
youtube.com/watch?v=e-8vhud8MiE

The English and Bulgarians that were left out deserve a mention.
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
11 Sep 2017  #124

You contradict yourself.

not at all.

You say "fundamentally multi-ethnic and multi-religious society" but then say "society that accepts reality of predominant Christian and Slavic cultural heritage"

Nobody says that modern human civilization gave answer to all open questions. But, that goes for all societies in the world. To function, societies have backbone, spirit, values, dominant culture, etc. To live in organized society, to avoid anarchy, humans pay prices. Why Americans tolerate English language? Canadians? Australians? After all, why entire humanity tolerate English as global language? Simple- interest. See, Intermarium is best what many could get from Baltic to Balkan, Adriatic to Ukraine.

Where does that leave the Tartars,

you mean Tatars? Tartar is sauce

or atheist Czechs?

With rest of us. If they now live in `Judeo-Christian` EU as it is stated in EU proclamation, why wouldn`t they live in `Slavo-Christian` society?

What about the Kosovans (like it or not, they exist)?

Kosovans don`t exist. Exist only Serbs and Albanians of Kosovo. Some others, too. Actually, Albanians call themselves Shquiptars.

Why would that 'Intermarium' be any better for Lithuania than the much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU that they already belong to, with its larger trading bloc, larger defence force and guarantee against Polish domination of their own language?

You should ask that Lithuanians. What they think of `much broader multi-ethnic and multi-religious EU`. As for `larger trading bloc, larger defence force`, forget it. EU would turn to be something else. It would reduce, modify, crumble. It would split on probably three separate conglomerates (one of them being Intermarium). In future, what remain of EU they may name Magna Germania and that would be multi-ethnic and Germano-Christian society.

So, truly, why would Lithuania choose Intermarium over Magna Germania? Maybe they won`t. Who knows. Its interesting question. Same question goes for Estonia and Latvia, too. Today, they are already deeply germanized societies.
Crnogorac3 1 | 255    
11 Sep 2017  #125

Kosovo

youtube.com/watch?v=DMZa8ycsqEk

Kosovo - land of holy warriors & rulers

Please focus on Poland
Vesko Vukovic    
11 Sep 2017  #126

Most of all, Serbs despise communists.

The damage done by the commies to the Polish economy is estimated to be even worse then during WWII.
CasualObserver    
11 Sep 2017  #127

Quite, and it lasted 40 years. Which is why the current "right" claimed by PiS to demand 1 trillion Euros in reparations from Germany, but not mentioning Russia, can be seen for what it is - a childish and transparent attempt to deflect from the EU holding Poland to account on the rule of law, logging of Bialowieza etc, and an attempt by PiS to isolate Poland from the EU so as to secure total power for ever, modelling themselves on their Russian idol (Putin).
Ironside 46 | 8,406    
11 Sep 2017  #128

Which is why the current "right" claimed by PiS to demand 1 trillion Euros in reparations from Germany, but not mentioning Russia, can be seen for what it is - a childish

Your comment is childish unless you're getting paid or have some other motive in saying what you say.
RUSSIA never paid any compensation to anyone ever.
Germany are claiming to be a very good friend of Poland. They paid left and right all kind of compensation to anyone but Poland. So what kind of 'friend of Poland' they really are. Time they fessed up.

As for this childish attempt at reducing the issue debated to absurdum - go and get a life observer rather than troll.
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
11 Sep 2017  #129

Giving hope, making the backbone of incoming and inevitable Intermarium - Hungary and Serbia

"Serbia has many friends - but Hungary is special"

b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=09&dd=11&nav_id=102285

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"............ Hungary and Serbia have responsible governments and presidents who have been able to recognize who their best neighbors are, and how much the economy can affect the closeness of two peoples," Vucic said.

videos >>

youtube.com/watch?v=ATs4We4XC08
youtube.com/watch?v=yuWzP4uO4Ao
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
16 Sep 2017  #130

Merged:

Poland`s National Rebirth of Poland connections with Serbian general Krstic- veteran against mujaheedines



Well, in these fragile times, it was just the matter of moment when would patriots from Poland and Serbia establish closer connections. Signals of this connections and cooperation may come in different ways. In this example we see mutual solidarity in the face of western European (ie EU) pressure on Sarmatians from North to the South of Europe. This is about Polish solidarity with Serbian patriotic general Krstic- veteran from Civil War in former Yugoslavia. General Krstic who commanded in battles against worse Arab mujaheedines who threatened to pollute Slavialand, and then, after being captured by NATO and sentences by false political court in Hague, sent in British prison where he was exposed to torturing by Muslim extremists in that same British prison (so with blessings of British authorities). Krstic then demanded to be transferred to Poland where he received warm welcome by Polish patriotic circles.

Article

NOP: Solidarity with general Krstić!
en.nop.org.pl/2014/05/09/nop-solidarity-with-general-krstic/

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Previously, gen. Krstić was held in a British prison. The decision to transfer him to Poland was made after he had been stabbed by the Muslim inmates in the cell, one of whom literally cut his throat. He ultimately arrived to Poland

Nowadays the Serbs are demonized and portrayed as "devils" while the American/NATO crimes are being whitewashed, just like in case of Iraq, Libya, Syria and many other places in the world. This is something we won't agree with.

Thousands blessings on Poland, on brotherly Poles! Sarmatia is awaken
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
16 Sep 2017  #131

My complaints to venerable owner of this web site and also to his most beautiful wife. Please brate owner, urge on generally fine Admin to restore my thread - Poland`s National Rebirth of Poland connections with Serbian general Krstic- veteran against mujaheedines

Thanks in advance
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
17 Sep 2017  #132

In that thread, among else, I wanted to present how Poles and Serbians uniting their interests and, among else, intend to give middle finger to English who love mujaheedines. Thread had great perspective.
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
20 Sep 2017  #133

Oh, rejoice you who dream of Intermarium. Trump will visit Serbia. God bless America, Poland and Serbia!

Vucic says Trump accepted his invitation to visit Serbia
b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=09&dd=20&nav_id=102364

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When you look at image, on the left side is magnificent Serbian President Vucic, famous USA President Trump in the center and beautiful First Lady Melanija on the right

Go Vucic, go, don`t wait for Poland`s Duda to make a move. If you wait for Duda, you would become old and ugly from all that waiting!

I love you all! - Regards from rainy Serbia
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
20 Sep 2017  #134

THIS YOU MUST SEE, if you want to learn more about world politics

[Admine brate don`t ruin this video, I assure you its also in connection with Poland by the law of inevitable causality of Polish-Serbian destines] >>>> Serbian diplomacy making strategic move >>>>> yesterday, Serbian FM Dacic shows to USA Trump main documents about fabricated lies of Clinton`s Clan (and Co.) about Serbia- old and proven USA ally. Trump reacted interested and gave contact to Dacic, whom to contact in order to arange Trump`s arrival to Serbia. Later, Trump also had meeting with Serbian president Vucic. Vucic also talked to First Lady Melanija, in Serbian language.

18/09/2017 Njujork, Sastanak Dačić - Tramp

youtube.com/watch?v=ZfAqBLetyo0
OP Crow 137 | 5,910    
20 Sep 2017  #135

I hope that Clinton`s, Wesley Clarke, Madeline Albright and other liars and anti-Serbian propagandists finish in jail, after new USA administration led by honest president Trump found out about all their private enterprises, companies and projects in former Yugoslavia, what they acquired by sponsoring (side by side with Islamic league and some EU magnates) war against Serbs and all Yugoslavs.

Time is that malevolent maniacal creatures pay.




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