Why Poland is not Russia

Yes, their furious propaganda is doing their best to brainwash people but it works only on Russians, while the rest of the world knows better.

In 1934, the non-aggression pact between Poland and Germany eventually followed a successful trade agreement with the latter nation. It also gave Germany the eastern border, and provided more time for Hitler's rearmament.

totallyhistory.com/german-polish-non-aggression-pact/

@Vlad1234
I guess you didn't know but, there was a heavy toll war between Poland and pre-Hitler Germany up to that point. Signing a "non-agression" read: -> not having conflict <-

Means also signing a truce with such matters.

Last time I checked Germany trained their tank crewmen in the Soviet union pre-1939

Can't remember German tank crewmen being hunted by Soviet border guards...

It went simply from open hostility without armed military warfare to "cold shoulder" and unwilling talks, yet Russians seem to present it like some form of birthday party

So, if Stalin and Soviet govt. would be a "normal people" and a "good Catholics", what they supposed to do? And how it would end for the World, if they would act correctly?

Yes, that`s how brainwashing Russian propaganda works. Excellent example. hahaha

It is amazing how contemporary Russians cherish positive feelings about Stalin who turned Soviet Russia into a giant gulag camp with millions of innocent victims who were persecuted by mad NKVD for nothing. Let us remember that apart from Polish officers, Katyń mass graves contain the same or even bigger amount of Soviet victims of the regime, probably most of them Russian as the largest ethnic group in the USSR. They had been executed in Katyń area long before Polish officers were.

Praising Stalin today means spitting on the graves of all those Russians who died at the hands of his henchmen from NKVD. It is a real disgrace and moral degradation. I never cease to be flabbergasted when I read polls saying that 50% Russians support what Stalin did. It means that the communist system was successful in breeding a new kind of citizen: homo sovieticus and there are plenty of them in today`s Russia.

Homo sovieticuses in action

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My grandmother told me that under Stalin a chocolate candy was almost solid thick chocolate and a table was made of solid real wood. Under Leonid Brezhnev a common, inexpensive chocolote candy had only thin, almost transparent layer of cholote. Due to thefts of chocolate on factories, mostly. And funiture was often made of particule board. In 1950, at the end of Stalins rule, city markets loomed with agricultural products. Despite all the negatives, people affraid to steal products under Stalins rule. Because they new what will happen to them if they will.

"It still isn`t the same as Ribentrop Molotov Pact in which Nazis and Soviets agreed to partition Poland and later"

Its similar though why cant u admit it? Poland was just too weak to make it the same.

Again, too many ifs and woulds. I told you to stop woulding, we are talking about facts. :):)


That is really amazing. You completely disregard millions of Russian victims of Stalin coz you are obsessed with chocolate bars. It only shows the scale of brainwashing and breeding homo sovieticuses in Russia.


Yes, coz they were punished with death, like starving Ukrainian peasants who were killed on spot if caught stealing crops in the field during the Great Famine of early 1930s in result of which a few million people starved to death on Stalin`s orders.

@Vlad1234
I was more focused on how the topic was presented in the Russian Federation about, with regard to Nazi-Germany it was expected for the Soviet Union to be an opposing force internationally on the diplomatic scene, with the lack of Soviet discouragement cause of Soviet policy encouraging German expansion in to Poland.

It clearly showed Soviet foreign policy having goal of expanding in an Imperialistic manner which in the years of: 1944-1953 proved to be true.

In Poland communist murderers were toppled from their monuments, while in Russia they are still honoured.

So, this is one of many differences which cause that Poland isn`t Russia

Red Butcher Lenin in Poland and Russia

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Very easy - 3 posts above I mentioned the Great Famine artificially induced by Stalin with up to 10 million starved Soviet citizens, mostly Ukrainians.
Any other questions???

There is numerous communist party in Russia and they oppose distraction of Lenin's monuments. I thought myself it would be good to bury or cremate Lenins body the latest in 2024 (100 years since he died), and give him a rest finally, but for some reason, which I cannot understand communists in Russia oppose it.

Exactly, products of homo sovieticus breeding.


Lenin`s mummy became the object of cult to them. At the early stage of the USSR they were deprived of their traditional religion and faith in God and were offered the cult of communist saints instead. Better this than nothing, they thought. hahahahaha buhahahahaha

@Vlad1234
Any move against Lenin's body or statues is like a staple that they are no longer feared and are losing power/influence.

First sign of trouble/testing of power is removal of statues etc. Which is why power people are allergic to removal of such symbolism. It shows an inpending doom of them or first step in removing them from political scene. As long as Lenin is there, they can feel safe about their current situation, it's like a scout post. A watchtower, meant to signal about an inpending attack.

Since most attackers, attack such "nerve centers" first. Then one can sleep safe before taking it seriously.

Pearl Harbour was such a wakeup call watchtower. Just like twin towers for U.S.A

Very simererily with demands of conversion from Orthodoxy for Russians in the past and placing nukes on Cuba during the cold war.

Kill `im! Kill `im! And drive a wooden stake into his fekking heart! Let Putin do it. hahahaha

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did poland really charge german tanks with lancers? I believe russia had penal detachments as did germany to go through mines but i cannot see any proof regular soldiers were forced to on a regular basis do anything of the sort.

Do you think Russians need to pass declaration about genocide of Russians by... Georgians?

why are all polish people including supposed liberal by poland's standards pawians so nationalistic? or such dirty nationalists? what makes them think anyone cared about poland or the polish view of things or even history?

Actually, Stalin was Georgian but he had Russian and other nationality butchers on his services.

It doesn`t matter he was Georgian. He could be ethnic Russian, too. What is painful is seeing how Russians venerate such a serial killer today.

I am so glad you didn't forget Stalin's Polish collaborators.

@PolskiMoc
R1a is the Aryan gene type, also known as Sarmatian, corresponding to today's Caucasus (Armenia Georgia Part North Iran and eastern Turkey i.e. the original Cistern Armenia), polish nobles are descendants of the Sarmats who originated in the Caucasus, and Sarmat is a descendant of Noah's three sons, Noah is a saint of the psychic God.

We don't need to confuse ethnic and political cleansings. In difference from the Nazis, Soviets didn't kill Poles just for been Poles. Those were Polish army officers killed in Katyn. It cannot be justified, but still we need to make some difference.

I see you too go along with that Nazi crap. Those were Germans. Only those who belonged to the Nazi party were Nazis.

That verged on ethnic cleansing coz about 700.000 Polish citizens were deported from Soviet occupied regions of Eastern Poland to far places in Siberia or Kazahstan in years 1939-41.

10% of them perished. Now you should slowly begin to realise that 300,000 Polish casualtues of the Soviet regime which you deemed controvercial were plausible.

Open this Polish site in Chrome and use English translator if you want to learn sth new in big detail
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wysiedlenia_Polak%C3%B3w_podczas_II_wojny_%C5%9Bwiatowej#Sowieckie_deportacje_w_latach_1939%E2%80%931941

shortened English version
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%931946)#Mass_deportations_to_the_East

But not all of them were ethnic Poles, were they? Soviets didn't care about the race or ethnicity in slightest, if they were sure you are loyal to comrade Stalin and Soviet rule. Dzerzhinski was an ethnic Pole.

The fourth deportation was aimed at Polish Jews, about 80.000, if you insist on being so precise.


No, they weren`t sure. They deported all state workers, including railway men or post men, and intelligentsia without checking who was loyal or not. All families, including infants, most of whom perished during the journey and hard conditions later on.


Yes, I am so sorry. Please, accept my sincerest apology for that butcher`s atrocities in Russia. If I got him in my hands, then ręka, noga, mózg na ścianie...... :):)

Hence the byzantine nationality laws.... and the fact that nationality was always listed on id's....


It would be nice if Russians cared when the Russian government killed civilians but.... they don't.

A friend who grew up in the USSR said that human life had little cultural value there (and still doesn't among ethnic Russians).

Wrong- they did.


Was he? I don't know. I don't think he was, Polish orgin maybe like many Russians today.


I think you don't get it. There was some Polish forces officers, professional soldiers but most of them were from reserve - civilians doctors, engineers, scientists, historians, teachers, lawyers, students - just drafted for the war.

THAT what makes it such a big deal.

From what I can tell he was maybe ethnically Polish but culturally and linguistically more Russian... (I mostly think cultural and linguistic identification are better indicators than crude genetics).

No, he was fully Polish, like a typical Pole could be under the Tsarist rule in partitioned Poland. He even professed Catholicism. He gradually changed when he adopted socialist ideas . After he spent 11 years in Tsarist prisons, he became very embittered and craved vengence on his oppressors.