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delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
5 Jan 2011 #361
And retrospectively, they would be sure as hell working overtime to make such an alliance work.

Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily - and I suspect such a coalition would have enough force to warn off Russia and Germany. The problem would be in later years - we'd probably see a repeat of WW1 before long.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
5 Jan 2011 #362
Oh, so you're saying that "Czechoslovaks", in fact, wanted to defend their country?

Military wanted, politicians not so much.

Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily

The only militarily viable coalition would be Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia, optionally Hungary, the problem is nobody in said coalition liked each other enough to do business with.

Yugoslavia was militarily worthless, it had numerically a huge military but the actuall usefull force was less than 100.000 soldiers.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
5 Jan 2011 #363
When writing a post below the youtube etc icons you get the [+] images thingy - press it, i didnt notice it for weeks too.

Thanks!

Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily - and I suspect such a coalition would have enough force to warn off Russia and Germany. The problem would be in later years - we'd probably see a repeat of WW1 before long.

Yes i think that the said countries would most definitely think twice about invading. And having such or similar coalition in the first place, would have done a lot more to spur the French And British to perhaps be a bit more proactive as well.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
6 Jan 2011 #364
The only militarily viable coalition would be Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia, optionally Hungary,

Poland and Romania had a military pact in place - against Russia - called a little entente !
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
6 Jan 2011 #365
Yes but only against Russia.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
6 Jan 2011 #366
Their king was pro German, hardly surprising !
Prof 2 | 5
9 Dec 2011 #367
Merged: kresy, zabuzanski

My father was born in Blich, Zalozce. I would like to learn more about the history of the territories beyond the Bug River between the Wars.
alexmac 3 | 52
8 Feb 2012 #368
In the end west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus hence both names but in the end we are all one people Slavic !
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
8 Feb 2012 #370
In the end west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus hence both names but in the end we are all one people Slavic !

Honestly, stop it. You're just trolling needlessly.
JonnyM 11 | 2,620
8 Feb 2012 #371
west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus

Yes, however so many borders have changed and so many people moved and irredentism has become so discredited that the only sense of a territory in Europe 'belonging' somewhere is a matter for current residents' wishes, regardless of any nationality or historical issues.

in the end we are all one people Slavic

Nonsense and trolling.
alexmac 3 | 52
9 Feb 2012 #372
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect We are all the same people open your eyes.... It's the same with Arabs from Iraq, Lebanon, Syria ect All one people Arabs speak dialects of classical Arabic same with slavs and ancient Slavic language derrrrr
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
9 Feb 2012 #373
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect

And?

Culturally, Poland and Serbia have little in common. There's much more in common with Poland and Croatia.
alexmac 3 | 52
9 Feb 2012 #374
The point is that different Slavic people are related to each other they are just sub groups who make up Slavic people
landora - | 199
10 Feb 2012 #375
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect We are all the same people open your eyes.... It's the same with Arabs from Iraq, Lebanon, Syria ect All one people Arabs speak dialects of classical Arabic same with slavs and ancient Slavic language derrrrr

If you directly ask me if I'm Slavic I will obviously say yes, but to be honest it doesn't mean much to me and I never think of myself "oh, I'm Slavic". I'm Polish, and then I'm European. And really, most Polish people think that way. I really don't have much in commmon with Russians or with Serbs.
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
10 Feb 2012 #376
Dear Alexmac,

It seems to be so important for you that certain nations in Europe share a Slavic heritage, but in doing so you forget that there are many more things that differ between the Slavic people.

Religion for instance is a very important part, then there are different histories, also different neighbour states are very important whose influences must not be underestimated, then there is a different folk culture and psychology. Russians and Poles may have a similar language but their way of looking at the world could hardly be more different. It appears to me that you are a Russian nationalist that looks for another way to construct a new empire but those days are definitely over!

And I surely don't judge nations or people by the fact if the language we speak share a common ancestor or if thirty or fourty generations before we had a common progenitor. This way of thinking belongs to the 19th and the first half of the 20th century. After the horrible catastrophy the Nazis put Europe in this way of thinking should be obsolete.
alexmac 3 | 52
10 Feb 2012 #377
I am polish born in poland. Religion is nothing because its a choice and people change views like the wind changes direction.
Way of thinking is NOT genetic.

I am looking forward to watching the euro union collapse.... When It does you will think ' damn that crazy (so called) Russian was right. Germanic and Latin Europe will not care about Poland because in the big picture poland is just Poland.... The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.
Harry
10 Feb 2012 #378
The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.

Kindly do not ever again claim to be Polish: no Pole would ever make such an incredibly stupid statement.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
10 Feb 2012 #379
I am polish born in poland. Religion is nothing because its a choice and people change views like the wind changes direction.
Way of thinking is NOT genetic.

Oh yeah, and that's exactly why there are so many religious wars even between very similar nations!

The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.

The former president who died in the plane accident was very anti-Russia, and pro-USA, so he certainly wouldn't approve of any union with Russia.

The president doesn't have that much decision power and the government at that time was already PO, so clearly you've got no idea what you're talking about.

And what klilled them was bravado and negligence, not any EU state, nor Russia.
gumishu 13 | 6,064
10 Feb 2012 #380
And what klilled them was bravado and negligence, not any EU state, nor Russia.

there may be big surprises for you as to what actually happened in Smolensk - one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter - there are also interesting hints by the Jak 40 crew about conversations between the cockpit and the Smoleńsk 'tower' - which may well be recorded on the Jak 40 black box and are currently being examined in Kraków
peterweg 37 | 2,319
10 Feb 2012 #381
It appears to me that you are a Russian nationalist that looks for another way to construct a new empire but those days are definitely over!

He's probably another Serb. Same difference.
Harry
10 Feb 2012 #382
one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter

You got a source for that? And sorry but Radio Maryja and the like do not count.
gumishu 13 | 6,064
10 Feb 2012 #383
gumishu: one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter You got a source for that? And sorry but Radio Maryja and the like do not count.

There is no evidence that the gene . Błasik was in the cockpit at the time of the crash , but there is no evidence that he was not there - says the military prosecutor's office , which revealed the latest expert black boxes Tu- 154

- This report did not result in any changes to the existing assumptions of the investigation - said Col. Ireneusz Szelag , head of the Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw.

Military investigators investigating the crash of the presidential plane on April 10, 2010 . Presented the results of the Cracow Institute of Forensic them . Professor . Jan Sehn . The experts from Krakow studied record the last 38 minutes of the tragic flight of the Polish delegation , culminating in the disaster at Severny airport in Smolensk. The result of their work brings the third version of who and what he said just before the crash.


looks like your not up to date with Polish political news Harry - I think it is a persistent state with you
Harry
10 Feb 2012 #384
looks like your not up to date with Polish political news Harry - I think it is a persistent state with you

Those sources say that the experts did not identify the voice reading the altimeter. How does that "rule out" that it was Blasiak? Oh, sorry it doesn't. And strange how the people who want to cover up for the General are, er, military prosecutors. No dog in the fight for them, eh?

I note that yet again you can't stick to the facts and instead make personal comments. Perhaps you know your case is so weak that your best shot is to try and start a personal argument. That's fairly pathetic of you.
gumishu 13 | 6,064
10 Feb 2012 #385
m.wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,117915,10969778,To_nie_byl_glos_Blasika__Eksperci_ujawnia_zapisy_czarnych.html

it was the second pilot Robert Grzywna to read the altimeter - it has been ruled out that Błasik was recorded in cockpit - if you don't know what Instytut Ekspertyz Sądowych means then you sure have to assume that it was the military who defend their own, don't you
Funky Samoan 2 | 181
10 Feb 2012 #386
He's probably another Serb. Same difference.

If this is true then he should have learned from the recent collapse of the panslavist Yugoslav state that the idea of Panslavism 2.0 is not a very good one. If Croats, Bosnians, Serbs and Montenegrins, who virtually speak the same language, can't live in one state then why should Poles, Russians, Bulgarians, Serbs and all other Slavic nations should do?

By the way... what is with the many Non-Slavic nations that live in Russia? Alexmag, if a new pan-slavist State is your goal then shouldn't Russia return all non-slavic territories in Siberia and in the North Caucasus to their rightful owners, that lived there centuries if not milleniums before the first Slav entered their homelands, the same way as Serbia had to give up control over Kosovo?
gumishu 13 | 6,064
10 Feb 2012 #387
in case Harry you really need to update on the Polish political news return to the page 13 - maybe you think you don't - I don't know -
Harry
10 Feb 2012 #388
m.wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,117915,10969778,To_ni e_byl_ glos_Blasika__Eksperci_ujawnia_zapisy_czarnych.html

it was the second pilot Robert Grzywna to read the altimeter - it has been ruled out that Błasik was recorded in cockpit -

It has been ruled out? ROFL! Even the source you provide is titled "To nie był głos Błasika?", i.e. "It was not the voice of Blasik?" You really think that a question is a definitive statement?

if you don't know what Instytut Ekspertyz Sądowych means then you sure have to assume that it was the military who defend their own, don't you

And who is bringing us these 'facts'? The military. The same organisation which very much appears to have been responsible for the deaths of all on that plane. Clearly they will be utterly impartial.
gumishu 13 | 6,064
10 Feb 2012 #389
It has been ruled out? ROFL! Even the source you provide is titled "To nie był głos Błasika?", i.e. "It was not the voice of Blasik?" You really think that a question is a definitive statement?

read the article and not just the title Harry - I believe you can read, can't you?

there has been so many lies about the catastrophe before you must be still believing in many of them Harry - like that the crew approached landing 4 times

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