POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?

Not only Eastern Europe:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slavic_europe.svg


What do you mean? To you Slavic = The East? And any country which isn't Slavic isn't Eastern Europe?


Erm... I won't either, that's not why I've put this quote on here o_O I've quoted this fragment because in the article on Russian language Wiki again calls Polish Central European language.


OK.

Oops, i missed the bolded part. You see im really tired.

In Soviet Great encyclopedia Poland is reffered as part of Central Europe.
Even though there is no exact difinition of Cental Europe itself.
Probably Poles didn`t want to be in Eastern Europe even under communism.
But personally I feel that term ``Central Europe`` is a bit pretentious and rather
politically than geographically motivated.So for seriuos person there should no
Central Europe unless he wants to use it in present political sense.From what
I know georaphically and even culturally Poland is rather Eastern Europe.
Czech republic is a bit different thing, but still...

that's rather a wild generalisation isn't it....
kind of dismissing all educated or knowledgeable british people in one fell swoop....?

Strange map.I never heard of UK or Ireland as part of norther Europe.
I thought that only Scandinavian countries fall in this category.Neither
Baltic States.They are usually part of Eastern Europe.Former Yugoslavia as well.

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What kind of problems do you suggest I have? I can't understand you. Do you mean that being a gay is a problem for you? If so, you are full of prejudice, berni. Shame on you.

For the record, no, I'm neither gay nor lesbian and such insinuations about strangers make you look tad immature; I have nothing against gay, and don't mind gay marriage, actually I'm indifferent to that problem.

So when Poland will stop to be "still" Eastern and change it's geographical placement? If it's not gay marriage then what? Abortion? Atheisation? Other "progressive" ideas?


What kind of scientists and what for?


Neither west nor east. Just a language.

Paulina

It's no use to explain to him all those intricacies. The guy is full of self-complex about his ancestry. It's thinly veiled chauvinism in this case.

Other people call Poles Eastern Europeans because that's what is widely accepted in their countries. And that's fine for me.
But there is no reason for a Pole to not see the obvious things about cultural differences between Poles and other Slavic nations (and among each of those nations too).


The replies I got in one of my threads (namely "Why do people think that Poles are culturally isolated?") show otherwise.
And that's fine too. I don't feel the need to know much things about all countries around the world, why others should?

OK so Germany is in Eastern Europe too ?


True.

@berni23

If you still believe Poland is a eastern european country after this information then there is no hope for you ;)



Central Europe as a region connected to the Western civilisation for a very long time, including countries like the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Holy Roman Empire, later German Empire and the Habsburg Monarchy, the Kingdom of Hungary and Bohemia. Central Europe understood in this way borders on Russia and the South-Eastern Europe, but the exact frontier of the region is difficult to determine.

Amazing really that those on this thread who are so keen to move a bit of Eastern Europe into Central Europe generally don't actually live here. Some don"t even have any genuine connection with the place, just relatives who left.

Those of us who do live here are more grounded in the reality of an Eastern European culture, traditions, cuisine etc.

jon - is Germany central or western Europe ?

oh right so a couple of replies on a forum enables the dismissal of all british people...
purely on a statistical level that is bonkers.

Now that's a good question. It certainly depends a lot on how you'd define either. I'd say though that Germany (East and West Germany, not including Austria or the former Eastern territories) is a bit too big to pigeonhole, as is Poland. In Germany's case there's the relationship with Austria and the concept of MittelEuropa which isn't all that it seems. Is Westphalia or the Saarland the same as Schwabia or East Prussia?

I suspect the desire of some posters here to pretend that Poland isn't Eastern European at all is made up of 25% Russophobia, 25% Cultural Cringe, 25% ignorance and/or lack of perspective on Eastern and Central Europe and 25% cluelessness.

I'm not one of those people who think that Poland is the centre of the universe and I really don't mind foreigners not knowing about Poland much. I don't imply that British are uneducated because of that. I don't know much about Moldavia for instance.


Are you kidding?
No one in Poland says "Eastern Europe" when refering to Poland. Even when regarding former communistic countries the used term is Central-Eastern Europe (Europa środkowo-wschodnia). Poles never felt to be the part of Eastern Europe. Why have been so, was already explained (the term is understood differently in Poland).

Take it for granted I live in Poland whole my life.


Said by an Englishman - an expert of everything Polish. I for one like Russians.

Thus ignoring a long heritage whether political, cultural, linguistic or culinary.

actually zeti it wasn't really you that said it it was paulina

Do you claim to know better who Poles are and what's their culture than Poles themselves? That's bold.
Watch some Polish tv you will notice no one says Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe begins with Ukraine and Belarus.

East Prussia is no longer Germany jon :P

Your absolutely unrelated post suggest a number of problems.


Linguists, ethnologists e.g. do foolishly such outrageous things.




I suggest you read my initial statement:

Interesting.Could you describe this cultural difference in detail?What do you meen exacly as cultural?

Mmm fascinating analysis... how about adding a bit of fekcin geography ?


Hmm... so what's an "Eastern European" culture or "Eastern European" langguage ?


I did. You say Poland is in Eastern Europe due to post WW2 politics.

Berni23, your initial post was:


So I ask you when Poland will become Western Europe. Is this question difficult to comprehend?

Western Europe? Poland seems to move further west with each post.
Never. Unless Europe adepts Esperanto as far language goes.


The Western Salvic language family is.


Well then you didnt understand it.

I am done repeating myself.

Christmas behind us, so the obvious ones:

Father Frost v Święty Mikołaj.
Catholicism-related traditions v Eastern Orthodox-related traditions.
Cyrilic script v Latin script.

Those who says we share some amount of dishes - that's true. We share some with Germans too e.g. saurkraut.


Oh, now we see the hidden agenda reveiled!
As I said complex-ridden Pole.

Interesting.Could you describe this cultural difference in detail?What do you meen exacly as cultural?
For example consumption of pure alcohol per capita in Poland (13.25 liters/person/year) is comparable to that of Ukraine
(15.60) and Russia (15.76) and Czech republic is even higher (16.45).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Polish GDP per capita both nominal and PPP is similar to that of Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

And Nigeria...


And Brazil...

LOL. You posted that nonsense.
OMFG, some poeple are really thick.

No, it isn't.


OK I found the initial, initial post :))


OK, so dear sir please explain what's an "Eastern European" ethnicity, language and culture ! I hope to hear soon from you !!1

I've noticed in many of your posts that you accuse Poles of being backward in let's call ideological terms (you didn't say it straight forward but you implied it many times). I'm not a racist, I'm not a homophobe, I'm not a religious person, yet probably for you all those qualities attributes to Poles. So my question and way I understood your initial post are valid.

Btw. if you wanted to say that regardless what we say Poland is Eastern Europe then you shouldn't use word "still" to avoid of any ambiguity.

The entire discussion is useless and reflects the usual typical prejudices of the Western Europeans versus Eastern Europeans which would in other circumstances be hidden under the convenient "political correctness" attitude. The term "Central Europe" doesn't denote anything better or anything worse than "Eastern Europe", in the same way as "Western Europe" doesn't denote anything better or worse than "Central Europe". "Western" or "Central" or "Eastern" Europe are strictly geographical terms which here are assigned assessing political meanings by people who would otherwise claim they are impartial. In true fact, they tend to follow the attitude of the notorious hudsonhicks and the like with the difference that hudsonhics feels free to articulate his prejudices openly and without a mask, while they usually prefer to hide them under the coat of political corectness they wear for the purpose of seeming better, nicer and more attractive to anyone who wants to believe them.

Since you read everything you really seem to have problems with comprehension.


I call racist, ultranationalists and ahters of anything different when i see it. It doesnt matter if they are Polish, German or Martian.



Freudian slip?