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'Defamation': The Anti-Semism Industry & Poland


OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,393    
23 May 2011  #151
Nomad, you OK, but you got a lot confused...Jews own or control 90% US media...Jesus was not a Jew...OK.

I can't talk anymore now because I am at work, and my boss is a Ukrainian who loves Jews and doesn't like me posting on Forums on the subject...Talk later.
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #152
my boss is a Ukrainian who loves Jews

You mean a guy who isn't racist - meaning someone normal and not obsessed with bizarre conspiracies and spurious racial slurs.

and doesn't like me posting on Forums on the subject

And regards it as disreputable for one of his employees to sit hunched over the net writing holocaust denial.

Any surprises here?
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #153
DNA itself, relating to cultural identities, is a racism itself, scientific racism. Cultural identities such as Turkic, Pole, etc can not be traced by DNA studies. Anyway, this is another issue we can debate.

This was proved untrue years ago. Instead of quoting spurious websites, check out some scientific sources. You'll find links galore if you use the search function.

Proved untrue? Not at all. For example, the word Askenazi appears in written history sources first time in old bible and it's not known more than this though Hellens/Greeks claimed a lake name, an Iran/Persian historian ,n 11th c. claimed Khazar region people, etc etc. If you didn't like web site I gave, belong to an Askenazi historian, check out Wiki, you will see all theories of which none of them has been proved.

How you are talking is like talks of Israel officials. Official histories of countries may not tell a lot, or may cut short (as they do in translation/rooting of word, Askenazi as German Jewish, not to go long back in the history and to cut it short by telling their last locations.) - We here are not officials, so, our talks are purely talks of ordinary folks.

Nomad, you OK, but you got a lot confused...Jews own or control 90% US media...Jesus was not a Jew...OK.

Wrong. Jews own 10% of media, but, since there are a small minority like 6 million in 300 million, you see them as if they are everywhere..

It is not so really important if Jesus himself was a Jew or not. He was in a tribe who are named Jews even today. What is clear to me is that Jesus was a leader in a revolt against Roman Empire of the day.
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #154
DNA itself, relating to cultural identities, is a racism itself, scientific racism

You are talking about an entirely different thing. The issue is ancestry, not culture. It is a proven fact that the Ashkenazi Jews (or any other Jews) are NOT descended from the Khazars. That is an old piece of nonsense that was never universally accepted and is now universally debunked as nonsense.

Proved untrue? Not at all. For example, the word Askenazi appears in written history sources first time in old bible and it's not known more than this though Hellens/Greeks claimed a lake name, an Iran/Persian historian ,n 11th c. claimed Khazar region people, etc etc

Proved untrue. By science. Now buzz off and stop spouting rubbish about subjects of which you kow less than nothing.
z_darius 14 | 3,973    
23 May 2011  #155
What is clear to me is that Jesus was a leader in a revolt against Roman Empire of the day.

Really?
Could expand on that?
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #156
You are talking about an entirely different thing. The issue is ancestry, not culture. It is a proven fact that the Ashkenazi Jews (or any other Jews) are NOT descended from the Khazars. That is an old piece of nonsense that was never universally accepted and is now universally debunked as nonsense.

About who Askenazis are, there is no any theory yet, that is universally accepted.. The oldest written source where you see Askenazi word is in old bible (Genesis 10:3 and I dont remember the other) and it is the name of one of three sons of Gomer grandson of Noah and his country is somewhere in the north, around Khazar sea. Based on this, religious scholars prefer to take reference to the bible only and political religionism cut it short by using its double meaning which means German Jews.

Cultural, linguistic and history studies show Askenazis moved from Khazar state after its collapse in 10th century. Sure, not universally accepted, but, there is no better theory than this theory yet..

(I can show two different DNA studies which tell different stories.)
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #157
About who Askenazis are, there is no any theory yet, that is universally accepted.

They are who they say they are. Exhaustive DNA studies have proved this beyond any doubt. Why would you want to say otherwise?

Cultural, linguistic and history studies show Askenazis moved from Khazar state after its collapse in 10th century

No they don't. There were some whacky theories about this - those theories were never fully accepted in their day and are now completely discredited.
sascha 1 | 834    
23 May 2011  #158
I see guys you came a long way from the topic regarding Anti-Semism Industry & Poland via Khazar, Jesus etc.

Just one question: Who tells you that Jesus really existed? It doesn't have to do anything with the topic, just curious on what you built your arguments. ;)

US politicians are afraid of the Jews for reasons I can't fathom

If the paycheck doesn't come the power chair is lost. Simple as that. ;)
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #159
Who tells you that Jesus really existed?

"Who tells" people that he "really existed"? The only doubt I've heard on the matter has come from gobshites on this forum.

There are of course an unusually large amount (given the period he lived in) of written references to him. Perhaps you're mixing up the quest for the historical Jesus with the Logos issue?
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #160
I should have said "almost clear."
It is based on my analysis of those days between 50 BC and 50-100 AD.

There were revolts everywhere during this period in Roman Empire region (in Spain today as autonomous, in Anatolia, etc) as well as neighbour regions like Jerusalem region. For example, St Paul who was a tent maker in Antiochia (Antakya, Turkey today) joined a revolt in Pisidian Antiochia (West Turkey) where poor folks were breaking water ducts in the city at the hill (Christianity term first time appeared there in this Pisidian Antiochia city. Around 50 AD.) St Paul was giving reference to Christ then as he probably also visited Jerusalem years ago as Antiochia is close to Jerusalem and St Paul's first referencing to Christ was most likely about revolt things in P. Antiochia, which was later considered as preach when Christianity were spreading into the Roman Empire as religion.

They are who they say they are. Exhaustive DNA studies have proved this beyond any doubt. Why would you want to say otherwise?

No they don't. There were some whacky theories about this - those theories were never fully accepted in their day and are now completely discredited.

Okay, you say DNA studies show Askenazis are not descendant of Khazars and many Askenazi scholars say otherwise, also by giving DNA studies.

Not only Askenazi scholars, but also many other scholars from many other countries say the same, Askenazis are Khazar people. Sure, there are many who are anti-Israel and who try to make people convince in that Askenazis are Khazars so that they can claim Israeli people need to move away, out of Israel land today. But, they tell the truth like Askenazi scholars do..

(If you are an Israeli official, never mind, we here are ordinary folks and we all know official histories of all countries are partial, not exact and sometimes political. Israel being a country of Khazar people won't make, for ex, Arap kingdoms right as their roots too were somewhere else.)
sascha 1 | 834    
23 May 2011  #161
"Who tells" people that he "really existed"? The only doubt I've heard on the matter has come from gobshites on this forum.

Pal, the churches are loosing their sheeps, not only because of their 'misbehaving' priests, but that's another topic.
Honestly you wanna tell me there's 100% prrof that he lived? Why then some much argue of real experts about specially that topic? But that's not the issue here...

There are of course an unusually large amount (given the period he lived in) of written references to him.

Yap, like the books of the apostel etc. ;)

Perhaps you're mixing up the quest for the historical Jesus with the Logos issue?

I think I don't, but probably I landed at a 'wrong' moment in the thread. Missed too much of the before. Enjoy this one. See ya. ;)
z_darius 14 | 3,973    
23 May 2011  #162
I should have said "almost clear."
It is based on my analysis of those days between 50 BC and 50-100 AD.

There was a lot of days between those dates.
The first rebellion took place over 30 years after Jesus was already dead and it resulted from a conflict between Greek and Jewish religious practices. Jesus, if he lived, doesn't strike historians a political, but rather a religious person and there are few description in Jewish writings of what a great freedom fighter Jesus was.

The only way Jesus could have lead a rebellion that took place over a generation after his death would be if he was a god indeed, but we all know there is no god but allah.
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #163
It is not correct. Roman Empire had many troubles inside its borders before Christ too. Its relationships between Roman Empire and Jerusalem were sometimes good, sometimes bad. All these show there were instabilities in the region of Roman Empire as well as in neighbouring region. Of course, it is not a new thing that rebellion leaders against Empires in the history were called as gods, prophets, etc (I am looking into the past from history science, not from religion point of view.) Muhammad wasn't different actually, he was another kind of rebellion against somethings else in that period, 600-650 AD, at least, at the beginning.

(Allah or Eloah is a pagan god name before Abraham religions. Same for God, which comes from Gad, Gawd, another pagan god name pre-Abraham era.)
z_darius 14 | 3,973    
23 May 2011  #164
It is not correct. Roman Empire had many troubles inside its borders before Christ too.

I'm not talking about "many" troubles the Romans had. They are irrelevant to your statements, unless you'll try to prove that Jesus was actually a Germanic fella.

In fact, Romans protected Jews and they went out of their way to allow them the practice of their religion.

Muhammad wasn't different actually, he was another kind of rebellion against somethings else in that period, 600-650 AD, at least, at the beginning.

Muhammad rebelled against Arabic stupidity that held them apart and he fought mostly against other Arabs. during Muhammad's times the Roman Empire that Jews rebelled against was just gone.

(Allah or Eloah is a pagan god name before Abraham religions. Same for God, which comes from Gad, Gawd, another pagan god name pre-Abraham era.)

These aren't the sources of the word. You listed the source's many variations.
Oh, and Gawd actually comes from the Red Neck English :)
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #165
Not to go off-topic further, I'll answer this only.

In fact, Romans protected Jews and they went out of their way to allow them the practice of their religion.

That's true, but, rather than protection, it was due to multi-cult, multi-religion character of Roman Empire. Problem was not about religions then, but, was about a weakening, a sliding down empire where many rebels were happening everywhere in Roman Empire borders. Roman Empire seeing its collapse slowly from inside attacked outside, Jerusalem, to be able to save itself, also due to rebels in Jerusalem as well as they were not really independent.. During such a period, Jesus appeared as a rebel men leader and people of Jerusalem (Jews) gave him to Roman Empire due to their fear of the empire and Roman Empire killed him.. But, he became a phenomenan in other regions from Spain to Anatolia and we see St Paul as another rebel man in 30-40 AD who mentioned about Christ at meetings wherever he went..

So, returning to the topic by connecting these past things to near past and today, there must be no-base for the hate between Jews and Christians. If there is any base for any hate, it can be only between Christians and Roman Empire as they were the ones who had fought each others for 2 centuries and more. But, again, they were nothing else than economy fights, fight against an empire.. After that invasion of Jerusalem, Jews were, have been always a small minority and they have been shown as targets by empires of the days, even today, as they have been a weak community..
legend 3 | 671    
23 May 2011  #166
@Nomad

How about going to top Jews in the media themselves and see what they say? Take Joel Stein, for example, columnist for the Los Angeles Times newspaper and regular contributor to Time magazine. In his column in the LA Times (Dec. 19, 2008), Stein says that Americans who think the Jews do not control Hollywood and the media are just plain "dumb.

"Jews totally run Hollywood." Stein proudly admits. He then goes on to provide a long, long list of Hollywood/media chieftains-all Jews!-to prove his point. On his list: Fox News President Peter Chernin; Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey; Walt Disney CEO Robert Igor; Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton; Warner Brothers Chairman Barry Meyer; CBS CEO Leslie Moonves; MGM Chairman Harry Sloan; and NBC/Universal Studios CEO Jeff Zucker.


So yes Jews do run Fox News.

more?

Stein says he then called Abe Foxman, Chairman of the Jewish ADL, to ask him, why don't more Jews just come out and boast at this great accomplishment? Foxman responded by admitting that yes, it's true that most of the top execs "happen to be Jewish." In fact, Foxman told Stein, "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish."

The Jews own the largest media companies including Disney, Warner, etc. It adds up to 96 (in North America)

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@Johnny

There is no proof Jesus existed. There is one writer who mentioned him called Josephus (Jewish) and he wrote about Jesus years after Jesus was crucified. It could be anyone. There were many "prophets" and "miracle workers" at that time. Many of them were crucified as well.

And Khazar Jews do make a significant portion of Ashkenazi Jews. This is fact.
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #167
@Legend, I am not in USA, so I don't know who is who there, details of everybody, don't know even who is who here in Turkey. Having said this,

Stein, by saying Jews are everywhere in the media, probably made fun of people who repeat the same thing over and over "Jews are big powers, own whole media, etc etc."

Fox is a big company, so, of course, Jewish intellectuals too will work there. (for ex., there are several Armenian columnists in a newspaper here known with their islaimst views of newspaper owner. It is business, money, work. Same for Fox.)

So, counting a few Jews working at Fox media doesn't make Fox as a Jewish media. Fox owner is R. Murdoch, an immigrant from Australia, a son of Irish protestant parents. And, main politics of this media is drawn by the owner of company, Murdoch.

How many newspapers, tvs, radio, etc local and country-wise are there in USA with a population of 300 million? 10,000? How many of them can be belong to Jewish Americans who are 6 million people only, 2% of total population.? Lets say, they all are intellectuals, high level educated people and with some money.. So, my rough assumption is that they can't have more than 10% of all medias in USA.. So, 90% of media are belong to non-Jewish Americans. Maybe, you Americans see them such a small minority so successful that they may look like they are everywhere, and this illusion can be even done by some anti-Jewish media to hide their own huge media by fingering at the media of a minority. But, those Jews are very rich? Check out top 100 richest people in USA then and you will see they are not more than 10%.

Anyway.. It seems that their business rivals of Jewish Americans are playing Jewish card to make a trade/profit advantages for themselves as well. Since they are playing your belief feelings as well, it is probably effective on people who are religion oriented. If you mean power? Jews are not gun-men, not military-men and they are not sitting in front of money printing machines in the central banks..
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #168
many Askenazi scholars say otherwise, also by giving DNA studies.

Go on then, cite some.

Pal, the churches are loosing their sheeps, not only because of their 'misbehaving' priests, but that's another topic.

How do you make any connection between the existence or otherwise of the historical Jesus and church attendance?

Yap, like the books of the apostel etc. ;)

And a couple of other sources, but the writings you know as the bible are in themself enough - unless you think a whole raft of people decided to pretend the guy existed :-D

It could be anyone.

Which is a deep theological point - he was exactly 'anyone' wasn't he?. But at least we can be sure the guy existed and said some very wise things.

The Jews own the largest media companies

"The Jews" or just people who are Jewish?
Bzibzioh    
23 May 2011  #169
So, my rough assumption is that they can't have more than 10% of all medias in USA.

Hint: it's not about the numbers.
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #170
What is it about? About the numbers of $$$$$ ? Then, check out top 100 richest people of USA, as I said above. They are not more than 10-15 people.
Bzibzioh    
23 May 2011  #171
What is it about?

Influence.
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #172
Influence? 2% are influencing 98%? Illogical. or, exaggeration. It is not a new thing, same things had been said when Jews were in Europe too before they moved to USA.

If you said one singer, say Michael Jackson, influenced whole music field, I can understand. Or, if you say one Einstein influenced whole science field, again, it can be understood. Maybe, you mean there are such influential Jews? So, what? Why hightlight/labelling suchs as Jews?
sascha 1 | 834    
23 May 2011  #173
How do you make any connection between the existence or otherwise of the historical Jesus and church attendance?

Simple as that: Poeple are getting rational, they learn and simply do not buy anything they get served for what there is not proof that is existed. Besides of course the small parties of some high or low ranking church functional. ;)

And a couple of other sources, but the writings you know as the bible are in themself enough - unless you think a whole raft of people decided to pretend the guy existed :-D

As a rational person it's quite hard to 'believe' in sth or someone noone has 100% proof that he/it existed and to pull the bible about their reliability also many researchers argue is not any good argument.

At the end believe or non believe is a personal thing and I respect anyone's choice. :)

They are not more than 10-15 people

It's not always about quantity.
legend 3 | 671    
23 May 2011  #174
"The Jews" or just people who are Jewish?

People who are Jewish. When one says "The Jews" its not refering to all the Jews but some influential rich Jews who live in America.

What is it about? About the numbers of $$$$$ ? Then, check out top 100 richest people of USA, as I said above. They are not more than 10-15 people.

I read a source that says 50% of American billionaires are Jewish. Thats quite large for only 6 million people in the US.
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #175
It's not always about quantity.

you probably meant here sometimes quality..
when the quality increase, the racial approach decrease.
(einstein was a single quality and it is unlikely to see any racial word from him. like that..)

so, if there is someone influential quality one there in USA who is known as Jew, he is unlikely a person as you know.

I read a source that says 50% of American billionaires are Jewish. Thats quite large for only 6 million people in the US.

Was it anti-jewish-source.com?
JonnyM 12 | 2,629    
23 May 2011  #176
simply do not buy anything they get served for what there is not proof that is existed.

The point is that people do just that. Every day.

As a rational person it's quite hard to 'believe' in sth or someone noone has 100% proof that he/it existed

Do you deny he existed? Do you also deny that Suetonius existed? There's less written about him from contemporary and near-contemporary sources, but i've never heard anyone rational deny his existence. Either.

to pull the bible about their reliability also many researchers argue is not any good argument.

That doesn't really mean very much. At all.

At the end believe or non believe is a personal thing and I respect anyone's choice. :)

Humans believe - but true believers tend not to get hung up on historical detail. I respect all choices - however irrational. Some of the stranger ones are quite fun.

People who are Jewish. When one says "The Jews" its not refering to all the Jews but some influential rich Jews who live in America.

When "one" says? Somewhat racist, don't you think?
legend 3 | 671    
23 May 2011  #177
Was it anti-jewish-source.com?

Not quite. When it refers to Jews it means (Jewish by blood, son/daughter of Jewish mom, and religion).
For example people dont think Bill Gates is Jewish but he is (his parents parents or something like that).
You seem to know about Jewish people so you know what Morano is yes? Bill Gates is one of them.

Written by Michael Epstein

Jewish Americans are the most powerful and influential ethnic group in America. Jewish Americans make up 2 percent of the U.S. population yet comprise 40 percent of U.S. billionaires.

18% of jewish households have a net worth of $1 million or more. More than 55% of all Jewish Adults received a college degree and 25% earned a graduate degree.

More than 60% of all employed Jews are in one of the three highest status job categories: professional or technical (41%), management and executive (13%) and business and finance (7%).

Over 45% of large gifts made to charity are made by Jewish Americans. Over 50% of Jewish Americans live in just four states: New York, New Jersey, Florida and California.

When "one" says? Somewhat racist, don't you think?

no I think the idea of calling someone racist is overblown today and so in most cases I ignore it.
In America you say black guy likes fried chicken and its racist (thats bull****).
sascha 1 | 834    
23 May 2011  #178
legend

'Defamation': The Anti-Semism Industry & Poland

Nice comment #179. :)
NomadatNet 1 | 457    
23 May 2011  #179
@Legend,
Make a list of Italian ethnic Americans, it can be longer.
Bank of America is one huge company for ex.
No need to make a list of Britain ethnic Americans, the list can not fit this internet page.
Showing a list of Jewish rich people may make Christian people react due to their religious feelings. They don't see the sea, but, a small lake.

Jewish Americans are the most powerful and influential ethnic group in America. Jewish Americans make up 2 percent of the U.S. population yet comprise 40 percent of U.S. billionaires.

But, when you say this (or Stein writes this), it is interesting data.
2% of 300 million people own 40% of billionaires?
Somethings wrong with this.
Jewish Americans are in civil fields such as media, engineering, finance, etc - they are not in oil field and military industry field which are two biggest industries.. So, are you (or Stein) sure about that data? 40% of billionaires are from 2% minority people? If they had control of central bank where money is printed, I could say maybe.. You won't be in in central bank, wont be in oil and military industry and you will be owning about half of big business? Somethings strange.. (likely false data.)
legend 3 | 671    
24 May 2011  #180
If they had control of central bank where money is printed, I could say maybe..

They do. Its called the Fed Reserve. Funny enough the 5 top figures of this Fed are all Jewish too :)




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