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'Defamation': The Anti-Semism Industry & Poland


sascha 1 | 826
22 May 2011 #121
As I said: it's not a question, it's a statement.

Just for my understanding: If someone asks it's a question, right?
Did sth change in the last few years in engl. grammar?

You mean beyond perpetuating the stereotype?

That's what you saw in it.

It's degrading to the victim: if she were Jewish there would be another 30 minutes of film about her. Unfortunately she was not, so screw her, she's nobody.

As I said, it's a docu about jews/victims/eye-witnesses. Take it or leave it.
Bzibzioh
22 May 2011 #122
Just for my understanding: If someone asks it's a question, right?
Did sth change in the last few years in engl. grammar?

It's not about English grammar. You must have been born yesterday if you don't know how discussion can be manipulated by asking the 'right' kind of question.

That's what you saw in it.

No. It's just not true to suggest that all Jews were rich and that greed was the reason they were killed. It's just wrong.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
22 May 2011 #123
It's degrading to the victim: if she were Jewish there would be another 30 minutes of film about her. Unfortunately she was not, so screw her, she's nobody. Leaves you with this "I can't believe this moron" feeling.

So, are there no another film maker who can film that girl if she isn't Jew?
I guess there are many. Jews are 15 million people only in the world while non-Jews (should we say Christians and Muslims?) are 2-3 billion people. So, there are tousands of film makers who are non-Jews. If film makers are not making films about a victim non-Jew girl, then, no one believes all those morons..
Bzibzioh
22 May 2011 #124
So, are there no another film maker who can film that girl if she isn't Jew?

You don't get it, do you? It's about respecting ALL victims. It would not kill him to talk a few minutes about her, or cut this scene out altogether if he was not going to use this lead. Dismissing it, like he did, demonstrated what this whole "documentary" was about: appalling piece of manipulated agenda.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
22 May 2011 #125
What agenda, Bzib? Many told it as it no doubt was.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
22 May 2011 #126
You don't get it, do you? It's about respecting ALL victims. It would not kill him to talk a few minutes about her, or cut this scene out altogether if he was not going to use this lead. Dismissing it, like he did, demonstrated what this whole "documentary" was about: appalling piece of manipulated agenda.

Maybe, the better question is "whose victim is that girl" rather than why Jew didn't film her. (what if she is a victim of an anti-Jew forces? Quite often, such things happening in Palestine, victimizing people there and throwing guilt to Jews.)
Bzibzioh
22 May 2011 #127
What agenda, Bzib?

Presenting Poles as equally guilty.

Maybe, the better question is "whose victim is that girl" rather than why Jew didn't film her. (what if she is a victim of an anti-Jew forces? Quite often, such things happening in Palestine, victimizing people there and throwing guilt to Jews.)

He was simply not interested in investigating any of this story any further. That much was clear.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
22 May 2011 #128
Nomad, stop painting a bad picture of Palestine by spreading nonsense.

Bzib, I don't think it did that at all. If it did, I wouldn't be happy but nobody in their right mind would think that. This is garbage spread around by Zionist news publications, not this documentary. I really don't see how you have formed your opinion. Some Poles are like Jews in that they engage in make-believe. If nobody said it, they will say that sb did. That's not an opinion, that's factual observation!
grubas 12 | 1,391
23 May 2011 #129
Point? The us budget deficit is up to now 14!!!!!! trillion dollars. Do you know how many zeros that is? Put you arrogance aside.

It is usually good to know what you are talking about.$14 trilions is a US DEBT, a budget deficit for 2011 is prognosed to be $1.5 trilion or something like that.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
23 May 2011 #130
Let's stay on track, Nomad. The ME has been discussed elsewhere.

Have you seen Shoah? It pretty much covers most of what needs to be known.
grubas 12 | 1,391
23 May 2011 #131
I have the audacity to question objectivity of this "documentary". I object also to manipulation of implying that Polish peasants living around those camps are equally responsible since they were somehow aware of what was going in there.

"Shoa" is not that bad.I heard about this movie being anti Polish but honestly after watching the whole thing I was a bit dissapointed.

I don't see how anybody not emotionally connected to events described in "Shoa" can claim that Poles were responsible for extermination of the Jews.And if there is somebody implying that Polish people living nearby camps are responsible,I have only one question to this person "WHAT EXACTLY WOULD HE/SHE DO IF HE/SHE WAS THERE AT THAT TIME?".My main beef with "Shoa" is that English subtitles on YT copy are not very accurate in regard to what Polish people are saying.
Bzibzioh
23 May 2011 #132
Shoa" is not that bad.

I'm not saying it's totally bad because it has some redeeming qualities. However, I'm not as blindly enthusiastic as Seanus to recommend it as the best documentary about Shoah.
grubas 12 | 1,391
23 May 2011 #133
The problem with "Shoa" is that it is very easy to misunderstand Polish people in the movie if you don't understand Polish and English subs don't help much.A classic example is the scene when the villagers laugh at the memory of Ukrainians shooting at them when they tried to look what's going on in the camp while working their fields.Check the comments on YT some people think that they are laughing at Jews being killed.As for Seanus,he claims to speak Polish (I'd like to hear that!) so he should be fine.
mielony - | 2
23 May 2011 #134
Fantastic topic , great conversation , pleasure to read all of your posts on this subject however....
...didnt it occur to all of you that this film may have been produced and distributed to the www by ADL with some sort of conspiracy behind it ? As many of you mentioned that this type of organizations can not be trusted and how they make their living is disgusting? If they are powerful enough to have influence over governments of different countries , powerful enough to ruin persons life , deny him entry to his "own" country because he had opposite point of view , brain wash children ...and who knows what else , don't you think if any of that is or was true the ADL would immediately pull that film off the www as the film basically shows their true face which isn't not pretty in that film ? Even looking at the relpies that you have posted here it is very easy to determine who stands by what side , and that kind of information feeds ADL who is looking for dirt everywhere they can to fill their pockets with millions .Also how easy the producer was allowed to film all the top guns is kind of fishy to me .

The question is : is the ADL watching us ? are they labeling us as we speak ?

On the other none conspiracy side , Jews had terrible past , they suffered so much that no words can describe it , but they have to start looking forward and stop building "hate" in their young generation otherwise their suffering will never end .
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #135
Last part of your comment. Yes the Jews have suffered greatly. Particulary in WWII but so has Poland, Russia and 50 million people. When I hear of Holocaust here in Canada its always the Jews that died. (They never mention Poles NEVER).

Are Jews responsible of death of 50 more million people too?

You miss the point. Jews were a civil community someones like gypsies who are not involved in the war. You will support the war and when 50+ million people die, you expect Jews to cry for them too. What about you? What you saying is something like that "... hey, Jews, you have been killed many many less than us non-Jews... so, don't complain and die more like us, fools.."

Thats interesting. I have read about the Khazars and their empire quite a lot. Never heard that some left to Turkey (but it sounds possible). Thats why Turkey is fairly friendly with Israel perhaps compared to other Muslim states right?

English is your first language? I said Askenazis are folks of Israel today. Ashkenazis are descendents of Khazar State (not an empire, but, a big state), a Turkic state with different religions from Tengrism, to Judaism, to Christianity to Islam. All Turkic people.

Friendship of Turkey and Israel is not due to that. It is due to strategic reasons, but, more important than this, due to civil way of economic relations.
mielony - | 2
23 May 2011 #136
Last part of your comment. Yes the Jews have suffered greatly. Particulary in WWII but so has Poland, Russia and 50 million people. When I hear of Holocaust here in Canada its always the Jews that died. (They never mention Poles NEVER).

The reason I only mentioned Jews suffering is because the film mainly refers to them , I did not forget my fellow Polish who were killed or murdered during WWII but thats another topic , as far as Canadian media goes I have to agree that there is not much being mentioned about Polish who died back then . Polish people in Canada even though widely represented do not participate much in remembering those who died in WWII , therefore you wont see much much it in the media.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,363
23 May 2011 #137
And more Poles fighting with the Jews about the victim status...
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #138
And, people who say 50+ million of us died, but, from Jews, 3-5 millions only.

Non-Jews at war were about 1 billion. So, 50+ million is 5% only.
while 3-5 millions of Jews were 50% of Jews.
And, Jews were not even at war, the war wasn't even their war.

(actually, the war wasn't the war of all 1 billion of ordinary people either, but, of oil-war-lords.. who are richly living in monarchies even today.)
legend 3 | 664
23 May 2011 #139
Friendship of Turkey and Israel is not due to that. It is due to strategic reasons, but, more important than this, due to civil way of economic relations.

Umm what? I know there are Ashkenazi in Israel. There are also Sephardim.

Khazar not empire?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_Empire

Either the document is lying or you are just wrong.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #140
Khazar not empire?

Yes, so. There are about 15 millions Jews in the world, about 70% of them are Askenazis and 30% are Sephardis.

Khazar was empire if the empire means big, powerful state - if it means large (with states, autonomous regions, with different nations, etc inside), no, Khazar wasn't an empire.
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
23 May 2011 #141
Why does USA send so much money to Israel yearly? Billions of dollars for "defense" in other words butchering palestinians and carpet bombing people. One reason is because the powerful pro-zionists are finiancing them. Can you imagine how different America would be without rich Jews?

US politicians are afraid of the Jews for reasons I can't fathom, but much has to do with money, blackmail and not wanting to be labeled 'Hitlers'.

For Christian Americans, this lie is pushed down their throats: Jews are God's 'chosen' and we must love them...Complete lie, as this is stated nowhere in Bible, although Jew rabbis perpetuate this to the clueless...Jews are the enemies of Christ, as they hate and mock Him...Yet, this is preached from pulpits, including Roman Catholic church.

But, this will be ending in the future, and it will be messy, and we will hear Jewish cries of 'Pogroms, blah, blah'...A shame for the majority of reasonable Jewish people...When Jews have power, the result is always chaos because they are never satisfied.

Khazar was empire if the empire means big, powerful state

Today's Jewish wet dream is Eretz Yisrael from Nile to Euphrates, plus regeneration of Khazar Empire in Southern Russia...Neither will come to be.
legend 3 | 664
23 May 2011 #142
I agree 100% joe. well said.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #143
US politicians are afraid of the Jews for reasons I can't fathom, but much has to do with money, blackmail and not wanting to be labeled 'Hitlers'.

You are repeating same bla bla that has been repeated everywhere. There is no logic in that 6 millions will be more powerful than 294 millions. Media power of non-Jews is 10 times more than Jewish media. Non-Jew rich people there in US are just hiding themselves against evil eyes of 300 million by putting Jews upfront so you all can blame them as you see them rich people while you don't see much more richer people behind the scenes.

For Christian Americans, this lie is pushed down their throats: Jews are God's 'chosen' and we must love them...Complete lie, as this is stated nowhere in Bible, although Jew rabbis perpetuate this to the clueless...Jews are the enemies of Christ, as they hate and mock Him...Yet, this is preached from pulpits, including Roman Catholic church.

Sure, every religious scholars talk good about their own religions, so do Jewish religious scholars, so do Christians and so on. But, history is history. Till 200-300 AD, the main hate was between Roman Empire and folks revolting against the empire. When Christianity spreaded among folks, those folks blamed Jews as they claimed Jews sold Jesus to Roman Empire forces. Jesus was a Jew anyway and he was revolting against Roman Empire. Later, when Rome became Christ-ian, they kept blaming Jews while their ancestors Romans did kill Jesus.

Today's Jewish wet dream is Eretz Yisrael from Nile to Euphrates, plus regeneration of Khazar Empire in Southern Russia...Neither will come to be..

Ah dreams.. Russia want to own whole Asia, USA want to own whole America, Britain want to own whole Europe and the world, etc. Did you see Jews were owning those places in your dream? It was a nightmare for you then.

Erol (aka Nomad.)
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
23 May 2011 #144
You don't understand who controls media in the West...Please do research and then we talk...Media is the constant white noise which sinks into the sub-consciousness of the sheeple.

Sure, every religious scholars talk good about their own religions, so do Jewish religious scholars, so do Christians and so on. But, history is history.

You are either brainwashed goy or Jewish...Jesus Christ was not Jewish; in fact, their were no people that we now call Jews in existence at that time...There were Pharisees and Saducees: Pharisees the spiritual fathers of today's Judaism, Saducees the spiritual fathers of today's Jew elite, sometimes referred to as 'neo-cons' in USA...Everything you state here shows a deep misunderstanding of history and language, but what does one expect from today's generation of iPod-ers?...In any case, Jesus led no rebellion against the Romans, and to state such a lie shows complete ignorance of the Bible and history.

America has no claim to North America, and, in fact, is being invaded by Mexico as we speak...Russia stretches from Eastern Europe to the Pacific, and has more of a natural claim to vast lands, but as her policy shows, she is more interested in securing Russia, with it's bountiful riches, and keeping them out of the hands of the West and Zionists who encircle her.

There was never a 'Jewland'...In fact, the Jews have no historical claim to any 'Israel' as Israelites disappeared from the earth thousand of years ago, and Jews are a different, Turkic people...I don't oppose the existence of Israel, but it was granted by UN Resolution, and not God.
legend 3 | 664
23 May 2011 #145
When I was a Christian I saw many bad things we did. So you are simply wrong.

The Jews did sell Jesus. Who were the people on the streets yelling CRUCIFY HIM.
Who contacted the Romans to hang him (the Pharisees who were basically the Rabbis of the day).
Jews always do the planning and leading, others do the dirty work (Romans in this case).

For example in the Khazar Empire there were many leaders who converted to Judaism.
But the armies of Khazar were mostly Muslims.

There was never a 'Jewland'...

There was a "Jew" land called Khazaria in southern Russia.
It was basically locals of the area who turned to Judaism. They infact were not semites (and that is the reason they do not belong in Israel... remember the Ashkenazi are Khazar descendants).
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #146
You don't understand who controls media in the West...Please do research and then we talk...Media is the constant white noise which sinks into the sub-consciousness of the sheeple.

Lets look at the biggest medias; CNN, FOX, BBC, yahoo, etc
None of them are Jewish media.
No need to count tens of tousands of local medias belonging to non-Jew media comparing with tens of medis belonging to Jews.

You know all these.. but, you interpreate bias-ly.

Jesus Christ was not Jewish; in fact, their were no people that we now call Jews in existence at that time...There were Pharisees and Saducees: Pharisees the spiritual fathers of today's Judaism, Saducees the spiritual fathers of today's Jew elite

Whether elit or not, they were known as Jewish anyway. And, Jesus was from such parents. But, what's important is not whether Jesus was Jew or not , what's important is he was killed by Roman empire forces who were neither Jews nor there was Christianity that time as Jesus was revolting against Roman Empire. So, there is no hate actually between Jews and Christians. Neither with Muslims as they appeared 6 century later.

America has no claim to North America.

You are reading their dream of Israel about their invasion of big lands, but, when it comes to Americans or Russians, theirs are good dreams, securing those huge lands against 15 million people only while themselves are 500,000 millions and even more.

There was never a 'Jewland'...In fact, the Jews have no historical claim to any 'Israel' as Israelites disappeared from the earth thousand of years ago, and Jews are a different, Turkic people...I don't oppose the existence of Israel, but it was granted by UN Resolution, and not God.

Khazar State (6-11 th century) was a Jewish state (though other religions too existed.) Ok, they were Turkic people and their name Askenazi comes from a Turkic myth (which also appears in old Bible.) So what? Turkic people were not converted to Islam only, to Judaism as well, to Christianity as well. Europe were not Christians either till 200-300 AD.. Sure, Israel land was granted by UN, but, not for free, paid by the gold, i.e. by money. It is not different than your buying a land for your house today. Expression such as "Granted by God" is a religious term, not different than saying Church or Mosque or houses or lands in general are granted by God..

Erol (aka Nomad.)
OP joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
23 May 2011 #147
If you want to call Khazaria 'Jewland' I won't argue, as this is where the vast majority of today's Jews come from...In fact, let me correct myself, there is a 'Jewland' today:

Birobidzhan

Click for wider view

FLAG OF THE JAR
The flag of the Jewish Autonomous Region is a white rectangular panel. On the horizontal axis is located a color strip symbolizing a rainbow. The strip consists of seven narrow horizontal strips (red, orange, yellow, green, sky blue, blue and violet). Each width is equal to 1/40 the width of the flag. The strips are divided by narrow white horizontal strips, the width of each is equal to 1/120 the width of the flag. The proportion of width of the flag to its length is 2:3

eao.ru/eng/?p=343

More Russians than Jews live there, however...It is a rich land, and could be a powerhouse.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
23 May 2011 #148
as this is where the vast majority of today's Jews come from.

That particular bit of nonsense was debunked decades ago by historians and confirmed as nonsense by DNA evidence. Today's Jews are not the descendants of the Khazars.
NomadatNet 1 | 457
23 May 2011 #149
DNA doesn't mean much for two reasons: Mixtures have happened everywhere and gene domination may change from persons to persons and calibration references of such measurements like any measurement are not clear enough. It is like taking white as pure white as reference while it is actually pink.. Furthermore, nations such as Turkic etc are not racial, but, cultural identities.

10 million of 13 million Jews today are the descendents of the Khazars and they are known as Askenazi.
JonnyM 11 | 2,621
23 May 2011 #150
DNA doesn't mean much

I refer you to previous threads which contain all the scientific and historical data. In great length and in great detail. Amazing really that the racists keep trotting out the Khazar nonsense when the theory has been comprehensively, exhaustively and completely debunked.

Must be malice. Either that or they assume others are as ignorant as they are.

10 million of 13 million Jews today are the descendents of the Khazars and they are known as Askenazi.

This was proved untrue years ago. Instead of quoting spurious websites, check out some scientific sources. You'll find links galore if you use the search function.


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