Poland and Britain started WW2

@jon357
If brotherhood in arms and treaty of friendship isn't an alliance than what is an alliance according to you?

Did you known that after Germany invaided Russia 1941, Stalin was so surprised that he disappeared for 11 days. During this time, the Germans captured more russian territory than the entire area of Great Britain.

Yes.


They didn't have either of those. They were sworn enemies who had a aggression pact in relation to their plans for Poland.


Nasty people.

It wasn't Poland's fault though, and fascism and communism are still diametric opposites.

Of course they did. The second Ribbentrop-Molotow treaty, have you heard about it?

The non-aggression pact? Of course. They, however were never "brotherhood in arms and treaty of friendship". Their agreement regarding Poland was purely a practical thing. They were sworn enemies.

@jon357
Oh kid, have you ever heard about German naval base in Murmańsk, code name "Nord" or about German planes in russian air force?

Yes, although since you mention the base, I'm sure you're aware that it was never actually used.

They were still sworn enemies, ideologically poles apart. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the Broad Economic Agreement were purely practical measures.

Even the UK and the US had agreements with Soviet Russia, despite neither being Communist or fascist.

And Poland and Britain still didn't start WW2.

Of course not.


They were allies.

That's what the thread's about. hard to know why some people would think that.


Eventually and through expediency. Military allies to crush German fascism; definitely never friends.

Definitely not.

Utter bollox. :):):)

President Roosevelt was about as close as them come. He knew about the Ukrainian genocide and still visited Stalin personal. (He also knew this was in store for Poland) All of Roosevelt's socialist reforms were against the constitution. His new deal (jew deal) was nothing more than quack pain medicine, not dealing with the root of the problem.(the cause of the pain) Not to mention the UK and USA did nothing to contest that Poland should remain its own country.

He was neither of those things.


He wasn't a Socialist either, unfortunately.

Not that his politics contributed in any way to the start of WW2.

You seem obsessed with him and he is simply not relevant to Germany or r*SSia's invasion of Poland.


What?

Roosevelt started the war by siding with Stalin as apposed to Poland's right to exist as a country. Isn't it funny how all these pinko communist of today advocate Zionist Israel's right to exist? The real holocaust is Polish and the fact still remains that all these communist Jews didn't do a thing.

Zionist Israel = a place in our belief

Here is a belief for you: Hitler, the pinko communist, created Zionist Israel

If it is a place in your belief, why are you physically making it, like a complete moron.

No. Hitler started the war by invading Poland (and before that, the Sudetenland).


Hitler wasn't a Communist. Israel is a real country.

Utter bollox. :):)

Poland didn't start it. Zionist bankers made an agreement with England to start it in return for Palestine.

They started it by starting genocides of Germans in Poland. But it wasn't the Polish, it was the, um, how do I say Juice without saying it...

I'm new here so I'm not sue what I'm allowed to say here so I'll leave it at that

You have already said too much.

@traveler1

You are very obviously an anti semitic neo Nazi and you are not welcome here.
Even by our very extreme right wing posters.

Who declared war on whom? That's right.

This forum is quite tolerant and welcomes all kinds of views on condition they aren`t against the law.
Stop being such a cold wet blanket. Strange attitude for a Brit.


Britain and France on 3 Sep on Germany for invading Poland on 1 Sep. Google what an alliance means. Germans were fully aware of the British French Polish alliance so it was them who started the war. Simple. :):):)

Even to racist American neo nazis?


Stop being so blindfolded.

Stalin and Hitler were buddies until they could not agree over Poland. That is what started the war. As far as Poland and the Baltic states, the UK did not come to their aid as far as 'right to exist' is concerned

What did you expect the UK to do?
Germany started the war by invading Poland, with a pre arranged pact with Russia to divide the country.
Belligerent Poles sorted......or so they thought......

The UK and USA could have insisted that Poland and the Baltic states remain their own countries. That would have stopped the war. Instead the UK and president Roosevelt sided with Stalin, stating that Poland and the Baltic states belonged to USSR, provoking Hitler to invade Poland

Yeah, that's why the Brits and French so conveniently forgot that the Soviets invaded Poland as well. If the alliance was only good for one aggressor, then the old British/ French fairytale of "fighting for freedom and democracy" was simply a lie. Neither the Brits nor the French gave a sh*t about Poland in 1939. Their involvement was all about sticking their imperial snouts into European affairs as they've done countless times before. The British lost their Empire over it, and if they are not careful they will lose their country as well within the next two decades. Was it all worth it?

They weren't.


Did you think that the governments of teh UK and France forgot ("so conveniently" or otherwise) the events of December 1939.


Didn't care enough to enter a major war against fascist occupiers.

Very strange that anyone should think that Poland and Britain started WW2...

Nope, they didn`t. Polish British French alliances had a few secret provisions and the main one was that their main enemy was Germany. The attack by the USSR wasn`t taken into account.


Exactly! :):) Poles insisted on recognising Germany as their arch enemy.


Bollox. They declared war on Germany on 3 Sept. If they hadn`t cared, they would`t have done it, right??

As for the final part of your post, you got lost too much so I prefer to abstain from commenting.

And after WW2, the Brits and Yanks were more than happy to hand over half of Europe to the Soviets and had absolutely no problem with the ethnic cleansing of millions of Poles in the east and millions of Germans in the west. Fighters for freedom and democracy, right?

Nope, they weren`t happy. Churchill`s speech in Fulton in 1947 proves he was worried about the newly arisen Iron Curtain. The problem was Western allies didn`t want to fight another cruel war against the USSR for Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. Can you blame them, after the experience of WW2?


You lack logic and historical knowledge. How could they have a problem with Germans who had to leave their homes if it had been arranged by the victorious superpowers in Yalta???

@pawian
Because he is appealing to the emotional side with his arguments, many far right Germans (and others for that matter) have a beef with the elites of the west (and who they think have power/most influence behind the scenes) therefore it is rooted in fear, paranoia and huge doses of emotional reactions and mistrust.

What many forget is that western allies (especially France and U.K) tried their best as not to have a air form of warfare based on terror, which was proven by dropping leaflets in 1939 over Germany. A very subtle show of what would happen if they were exchanged with bombs as to stop any further aggression. That signal was not taken in to account AND ignored.

Later on after the London blitz, I am honestly surprised that any German cries over spilt milk when seeing themselves as the victims of the burning of Dresden. Germans were asking for it every step of the way after ruining Warsaw and bombing England as long as it was possible (most knowingly London)

It all originated from evil doctrines and thinking of Nazi Germany, so one has to have a few screws loose to think that those doctrines and way of thinking got anything to do with Democracy and Freedom.

People should read more about the word: "precedence"

If it is commonly agreed to not do a certain action (not because it's not possible, but because it is possible but too destructive for all parties involved), then first one to break it gets the hardest hit as not to be repeated again.

In similar fashion, Nazi Germany was the most brutal and harshest towards Poland for being first and most opposing to Nazi German rule and expansion, in their mind it created a precedence of opposition to their authoritarian regime, which made others more eager and willing to oppose them.

Similar to how Lukashenko reacted when Poland refused his tactics of sending immigrants over the border of Poland, it created a precedence to oppose dictators like Lukashenko. Which made him fear for his life, cause if it came out (just like with Maidan) that opposing a dictator is not only an option but, an successful one with enough strength. Then he CAN be toppled, the opening of the possibility itself terrifies them. Rightfully so