Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious?

With a kind request to avoid national stereotypes, German history offers significant examples of
how her society developed in the manner in which it did leading up to the rise of Hitler.

"Ruling clique"?? History has often observed how Germany's "Mandarin" or intellectual class during the 19th century,
university academics in most cases, made every effort to distance themselves from the grit and smell of everyday
politics, leading to "not in my back yard" approach to maintaining a sharp distinction between statemanship and
intellectual involvment.

OK. How about a ruling mob consisting of the clowns aka our legal representatives, a million-strong army of unelected government parasites aka employees, and the privileged intellectuals - bought with access and grants.

Soon, if you pay the SOB enough, Pope will support abortions. They already like azzfvckers. You know ... they are people, too... They need our love ... AIDS and the bills? That's hate speech...

Nobody does. A closer look at how the EU operates and how much it favours smaller countries shows how ridiculous the idea is that Germany, or any other country could dominate the EU.

Do you know how many German seats are in the European parliament? Or how many votes German ministers have in the European council meetings and elsewhere, where unanaminous voting is not needed?

Usually less than what would be representative of the German population size relative to other EU members, and very, very from even a simple majority. In the EU, you need other countries to agree with you if want your agenda approved. And Poland under PiS has been very bad at reaching a consensus with other leaders not named Orban. Of course instead of admitting that offending pretty much every other EU member in some way or other was not a winning strategy, it is of course easier to blame Germany for it.


To the rule of law, and the reputation of the judiciary in general. They did so incredibly short-sighted and egoistically, and from what I have read, it will take some time to undo the damage.

Though I suppose one good came out of it. This precedent made the parties in Germany realize that the German judiciary was also vulnerable under the current rules, and implemented changes to the German constitution that prevents similar misconduct by any future government.

yeah, sure, you must know what you are talking about - so give me some good example


the reputation of the judiciary among Poles was mainly affected by their own doings (and they are still adding to that "wonderful" legacy) - PiS government only made that public

btw AFAIK your judges are created by land justice ministers - in Poland there is a special constitutional body elected from judges themselves that presents the president with candidates for judges

I agree....blaming Germany for every wart and all was and is always good and practical rhetoric for every nationalist, conservative gov in Europe. Not totally without reason, Berlin was ruled rather leftist/green since the Merkel years...lotsa crap got made into law!

I wonder how they will react if Germany truly gets their own nationalist, conservative (real conservative that is, not the fake conservative which has no problem working together with the Left greatly) gov one day with the AfD....

Will they understand each other und work better together because of that or rather not? Back to butting heads like in the last century?

I would support it.

1. Make peace with Russia and ignore Ukraine.
2. Ignore Greens and "global warming".
3. Close your borders
4. Expel every non-German
5. Close all mosques.
6. Restore the death penalty
7. Make Novi an honorary citizen of Germany
8. Quit feeling guilty for the sins of your fathers.
9. Fvck the world. Germany first.

To start with...More coming...

As short and concise as always! :)

And that's the core of my question...how will our neighbours handle a "Germany first" gov in Berlin? If they keep complaining about the current ones...which is everything but since 1945!

how is your government not "Germany first"? can you explain?

Novi's list would be a good start, I guess....

(Okay....#7 will have to be discussed in the Bundestag!:)

Imagine a Germany which probably will be happily bow to Putin and/or Trump, revive the old good standing and profit from it mightily....to the detriment others!
No longer regular payments into the EU-pockets to be shared by the fellow EU-members....there are so many possibilities...the mass immigration will be a big point. Till now our neighbours are okay with waving them through to Germany, that will probably stop quickly and you will have to keep them...EU-laws are not automatically adhered to, no matter what the members agreed upon!

there is an official EU report that calls for drastic cuts in EU cohesion funds and other forms of subsidising "new Europe" (you think it somehow was created against the will of German leadership?) - search for "Draghi report"
also the current Brussel administration negotiated a free-trade deal with Mercosur - if it is accepted, European (read: mainly German) manufactured goods will be free of tariffs in big part of South America and their (Argentinian, Brazilian) agricultural products will reach our markets duty-free - the last part would obliterate Polish agriculture - how is that not German-centric?

Everything related to the Disciplinary Chamber of the Supreme Court for instance.

EU court upholds €320M fine against Poland for violating rule of law

politico.eu/article/eu-court-upholds-320-million-fine-against-poland-violating-rule-of-law/

The Polish government should consider suing the responsible PiS politicians for reimbursement.

I don't know about any "Draghi-Report", but there is the thing again....these things are discussed, negotiated and agreed upon for ALL of the EU....not "read: mainly German"!!!

What is your actual problem with that???

Is your point that Germany produces still to much goods, or what exactly?

If such a treaty is so bad for polish agriculture then there should be lotsa Poles in Brussels fighting against such a treaty, and at least getting their demands in....meaning that there will be a solution found working also for polish agriculture. Otherwise such a treaty won't come even into existence!

THAT is actually one of the big points of the EU....without Brussels Germany could do such treaties left and right WITHOUT having to spend one thought about what that would mean for our neighbours! THAT would be german-centric!!!

In such a Union that is impossible...Poland will always have a voice and participation and can even stop such things. Without it....no chance!

What do you think is better for Poland?

I guess should an AfD gov come to work in Berlin and in Brussels some of you will think back nostalgically to the "good old days" right now...

not when Tusk is in power - he will sell Polish farmer's down the drain only to remain in favour of the German elites in my opinion - it's not a coincidence that debate over the Mercosur deal is postponed until after the Polish presidential election if you ask me

as for Draghi report you can even find general information in the wikipedia - in Polish media I watch there was more about it

PS: I read up on that EU - Mercosur deal....

ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/attachment/880027/Factsheet%20EU-Mercosur%20Trade%20Agreement%20-%20Agriculture.pdf

It seems the farmer got their word already in:


@Admin
There are posting-problems again....

thanks, didn't know that - I just wonder what the quotas will be and for which products (as far as I know the EU doesn't import grains - somehow the excerpt doesn't mention grains)


the Disciplinary Chamber of the Supreme Court doesn't exist since July 2022

Yeah......I read it again....it seems grains are not part of that treaty at all....it isn't shown in the charts....probably means there won't be any free tariffs on grains?

what do Mercosur states gain then in the treaty? peanuts? for opening their markets? I don't believe that

Hmm.....seems to be so...

Read that report:

rabobank.com/knowledge/q011460463-eu-mercosur-agreement-implications-for-food-and-agribusiness

...
For the EU, the food and agribusiness sectors that could benefit include olive oil, cheese, and energy drinks. In general, there will be more opportunities to leverage the regional, specialty character of food products and strong European brands.

For Mercosur, the proposed agreement contains new access to the EU market via quotas for beef, poultry, pork, and ethanol. It also contains phased reduction or elimination of tariffs for a range of fruits, orange juice, and soluble coffee, and partial or total tariff elimination within preexisting quotas (for example, for beef and sugar)....

Again, no mention of grains!

But as I said....people are protesting and nothing is already done and subscribed to:

....There are still a number of steps to be taken before the agreement is ratified. This process could take some time to complete and may encounter resistance from some EU member states that take issue with the agreement's increased access to the EU market for certain agricultural commodities, such as beef and poultry.

Sue the politicians who opened the migrant flood gates and turned Germany into hell - in no time, irreversibly, and without explicit consent from the German voters.

I said "explicit" so don't come back with that "they can vote them out" evasive crap.

In communist Poland, we had elections every four years, too...Today, yours are just as "democratic".

I think it is easier for you to believe it is about Germany being blamed but blameless, then face the truth...

What truth?

That PiS did not alienate the other EU countries and that it was a German ploy instead?

And these were all the countries of the European Union. For example, I remember that 20 to 1 vote.

Germany isn't "hell'.

Unless you mean pale beer.

It's hell to the unlucky Germans with knives or dicks inside their bodies...

The fact that he or she is the only one in this situation at the moment does not change Germany into heaven.

And never forget that all migrant crimes are 100% preventable - or am I saying something new to you?

Tell that to Americans you complete moron!

I can't be right and a moron at the same time...

Can you make up your mind?


I said that dozens of times. It applies to all countries stupid enough to accept immigrants and migrants. The US included...

I wonder how?

Nope, that system is set to work in Germany's favor, and anyone who questions its validity and fairness is labeled as a troublemaker.

I always had a feeling you were a "troublemaker." Now I know. 😉