Is there any part of Polish history that's at least a bit glorious?

Oh...from a novel...whoa! Now that is a beating argument!
What you read in a fictional novel must be true of course! Oh...and I have read they had tails and fire came out when they spoke...not to mention the hornes...I've read it I swear!

Nathan the problem is that you even don’t represent views of modern Ukrainians. You talk like Ukrainian from our neighborhood what means small part of western Ukraine.

Let’s begin from movements of Ukrainian history you mention as main stream.

You talk about Cossacks but you don’t mention that Cossacks live in eastern Ukraine and they call you lovely UPA lunatic fascist organization. I could continue this but all in all in don’t want to take your dignity from you. Honestly saying Polish children from Lwów beaten your army.

Poland was able to make one million soldiers army and beat Soviets and Ukrainians this time had many small formations fighting for different aims.

As for your stories about history I think that you should start to talk to your countryman, tell them story of great Ukraine and make one vision of this country.

I heard that some politicians in your parliament recite poems which sound more or less like:

“It is not the time to serve for Russians and Poles (…)”

I agree, definitely it is not the time to serve and everything is (like always) in Ukrainian hands. Europe wants claim. If you don’t care nobody will care. Now is the time for test of your determination and some historical claims.

War we debate about was glourious for Poland but wasn't glourious for Ukraine. Now you have much more freindly enviroment than it was 100 years ago. It is enought to make some smart moves without single shot.

Bratwurst Boy

yeah you didn't mention how remarkably accurate it is, as was discovered a couple of years later

Zbojnik,

Do you think there is any room today for Poles and Germans to overlook the past? I think so.

Europe prior to 1990 was just a cauldron of crazy ethnic nationalism. It should just be written off as a crazy past.

European populations of today in general are too old to entertain hyper nationalistic notions. They also are sick of World Wars.

I think in general European nations, including Poland and Germany just want to move on and have peace.

Germans from more than 100 years are being beaten by everybody. Always at the beginning they looked like arrogant bratwurst and at the end their country looked like (...)

But wouldn't you agree today that most Germans of 2010 just want to have peace?

I do.

....it was always enough to kick polish arse ;)

Still scared of big, bad, mean Germans Luki? Oh..btw...long time no see...what took you so long from your latest banning?

MW you are just to good for us....leave us to our mud battle! ;)
I'm bored! The Poles are still my fav counterpart for some good mud slinging :)

The problem is that Germans know the polish mindset as well.But Poles know the Russians better.

This whole topic is just silly and ridiculous.

It was just meant for Pole-baiting.

I guess the fool who started it is getting his wish.

MediaWatch

I think your taking my extract out of context, I was jst pointing out the dangers of german nationalism throughout history, not saying thats the case these days......However it goes without saying that we're in a different age, were Poland and Germany are now good friends in the EU.

A thread about Polish glory and Crow is conspicuous in his absence. How about the 10-0 crushing of San Marino, does that count? ;)

Piłsudski's promotion of sympathy towards Jews, whilst not glorious, is worth mentioning. At a time when many were nationalistic and anti-Semitic, he stood his ground and defended them.

very true

Well OK fair enough.

You can always find good and bad in all people. Including Poles. ;)

What...no mud slinging anymore??? :(

Media Watch.

In my opinion Germans in different ways see their aims and the way to achieve them.

Cars?

spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,693129,00.html

Maybe there are bigger fish for us to fry then Germans of 2010?

Ouch...now that hurt! ;)
Bigger fish than us? I demand to find and shoot them! :)

Soccer players?

Oh boy we wouldn't want that. So we will have to keep you guessing! ;)

Was that meant to be a German joke?

Belarus?

We don't do humour...it's all meant seriously!

BB

I have nice picture for you.

Random (google) picture with Polish flag made in Wrocław

Erm...yes???

Another football game lost???
(You should really try some Germans...)

:):):)

Pitty we dnt have talented German players like Podolski, Klose, Trochowski......oh wait they're Polish

Yeah...I wonder why they prefer mean Germany to glorious Poland! Bringing goals and honor to the german Fatherland....hmmmm...*wonder wonder*

Thank you btw...keep them bringing on....:)

Cars that way ----------->
<-------- Players this way

Heh:)

Last time in heard Klose saying and I quote " I'ld rather play for Poland" .....Podolski & did Trochowski said somthing similar. they were ignored by the polish board thats why they dnt play for Poland, and i bet it kills them inside......I never once saw Podolski singing the national anthem

You "heard" Klose???
Or did you just read about him in a novel??? ;)

And why don't they play for Poland then....did that mean they don't want to be losing all the time?


Yeah...definitely looks that way:





Man...can you see them suffer! :(

BB

Football last time isn’t our strongest point but in many other sports we are stronger than ever.

Anny way it is good that when you see Polish flag in Wroclaw you think about football, good boy you make progress.