Scientists will dig out Fahrenheit parents' remains to find out more about the scientist himself. It's an excellent ocassion to check their DNA.
Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole?
Bzibzioh
16 Feb 2011 #92
That exchange of people had been on-going for generations between Germanic and Poles, and that it makes the Nazi crap even more crappy !
Interesting point; I never thought about it this way.
do you really believe it and if so, what makes you believe it?
BBs own words !
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
16 Feb 2011 #94
I remember a joint venture agreement between two companies, one Polish and the other German. The board of the German company all had Polish surnames and the board of the Polish company all had German surnames.
Heh:)
No, sweetie pie, you stay lovely as you are at your place and we will stay as we are at ours.
Nah...we will mingle and mix happily as we did for millennia now! :)
Especially now as close working neighbours without any borders whatsoever...
Harry
16 Feb 2011 #95
according to your logic - he was born in Poland, therefore he was A Pole!
Just like the man who oversaw the destruction of Warsaw and numerous other Nazi war criminals?
No, just being born in what is now Poland does not make a person a Pole. Just as true Poles don't volunteer to attack Poland when ordered to do so by a foreign governments.
Bzibzioh
16 Feb 2011 #96
I remember a joint venture agreement between two companies, one Polish and the other German. The board of the German company all had Polish surnames and the board of the Polish company all had German surnames.
There is definitely funny business with Polish-German surnames :)
No, just being born in what is now Poland does not make a person a Pole.
Do you apply that rule to Jewish people born in Poland as well?
Born in Danzig it is possible that he is 'German'. Danzig was then full of German, actually german town.His first name may suspect that he might be jewish. Just a guess.
Des Essientes 7 | 1288
16 Feb 2011 #99
I mean WHAT German would EVER want be know as having Polish blood instead of German blood???
It's a fact of life that the Germans have probably the biggest amount of famous people in the entire world.
Alan Watts once remarked that American Roman Catholics are really Crypto-Protestants. Could it be that some Polish-Americans on this forum are Crypto-Germans?
Alan Watts once remarked that American Roman Catholics are really Crypto-Protestants
Pllz, Protestants are really half-way religious, they're wussies for whom Catholicism was too hard. It was the first step to becoming atheists.
MediaWatch:
I mean WHAT German would EVER want be know as having Polish blood instead of German blood???
I mean WHAT German would EVER want be know as having Polish blood instead of German blood???
Same vice versa
More on the Fahrenheit family:
task.gda.pl/files/quart/TQ2003/03/TQ307Z-C.PDF
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delphiandomine 86 | 17823
16 Feb 2011 #102
Pllz, Protestants are really half-way religious, they're wussies for whom Catholicism was too hard. It was the first step to becoming atheists.
Protestants are also characterised by being loyal, patriotic and hard working. They certainly would never take the easy way out, unlike the children of traitors. And anyway, they're all God's children anyway.
MediaWatch 10 | 942
16 Feb 2011 #103
And that's why you trying to tell me all Germans can't wait to shed their german heritage to become part of the great, phantastic Poland????
I agree strongly with your premise that Germans don't want to shed their German heritage to be Polish.
That's why I believe Neitzsche is Polish. There is virtually no circumstance a German citizen like Nietzsche would ever say he is Polish if it wasn't true. Especially say it ADAMANTLY like Nietzsche did.
Alan Watts once remarked that American Roman Catholics are really Crypto-Protestants. Could it be that some Polish-Americans on this forum are Crypto-Germans?
whether Catholic nor Polish-American, sorry (more options please, lol)
Next off-topic post in this thread will be met with a ban. If you want to discuss Polish-Americans, there are plenty of threads covering that very topic.
There is virtually no circumstance a German citizen like Nietzsche would ever say he is Polish if it wasn't true.
That is probably one reason, but he was also smarter than the average German. ;-)
I agree strongly with your premise that Germans don't want to shed their German heritage to be Polish.
Yap. It's a question of superiority for most of the Germans. :D
Des Essientes 7 | 1288
16 Feb 2011 #107
There is virtually no circumstance a German citizen like Nietzsche would ever say he is Polish if it wasn't true.
Nietzsche's circumstance was that he felt soceities with a strong independent aristocracy were superior and he thus he admired the szlachta and their refusal to submit to autocracy. The German aristocracy had submitted to autocracy and Germany's strongest class was its middle class and Nietzsche despised the paltry middle class virtues of hard work and obedience to authority and in this he was truly Polish. I feel many Polish-Americans on this forum respect productivity and efficiency more than the finer things in life like idleness and aesthetic contemplation and that is why they are Crypto-Germans.
MediaWatch 10 | 942
16 Feb 2011 #108
Just cause YOU have Jewish in you doesn't mean most Poles do. Poles mostly mixed with Ukrainians and Germans, i wrote before Jews saw themselves and were seen as different that's why the intermarriage between ethnic Poles and Jews was only 1%. This is from a book written by a Polish Jew.
You are correct. Most Jews in Poland were very proud of their culture and CHOSE to be separate from Poles. They really didn't integrate that much. If they did, since they were outnumbered by Poles 10 to 1, Jews would have been absorbed into the larger Polish population over time and the Jewish population would have virtually been diminished and diluted. But that wasn't the case.
Jews being a very proud people, wanted to preserve their Jewish culture, so they generally kept to themselves. That was there choice.
Poles in general probably have a higher chance of having some Ukrainian or German in them then Jewish, since there were more Germans and Ukrainians coming and going from and to Poland, since these countries bordered Poland. Conversely, the people of Germany and Ukraine can have some Polish in them because of their proximity to Poland.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
17 Feb 2011 #109
I feel many Polish-Americans on this forum respect productivity and efficiency more than the finer things in life like idleness and aesthetic contemplation and that is why they are Crypto-Germans.
Well...that must be the USians in them then..
Jews being a very proud people, wanted to preserve their Jewish culture, so they generally kept to themselves. That was there choice.
Polish/eastern Jews for sure.
But western/german Jews was a different case. They were integrating totally...so many Germans who intermingled with Poles had also their ounce jewish heritage in them..ergo... ;)
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2133
17 Feb 2011 #110
I agree strongly with your premise that Germans don't want to shed their German heritage to be Polish.
Utter BS! My family is quite a good example of en "pre-German" family that became Polish! Why do you think so many Poles have German surnames? Hmm? Is it becaouse they thought of it as a trend? COME ON!
Being more prescise about Fahrenheit it's a large chance he is German as Danzig until 1945 were mostly German. (Although through periods of history they resisted the "main-Germans" the Prussians... He could maaaybe feel more Polish then Prussian if asked.. But ethnicly he was probably German and spoke German.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
17 Feb 2011 #111
Utter BS! My family is quite a good example of en "pre-German" family that became Polish! Why do you think so many Poles have German surnames?
Polonization!
As Poles who lived in Germany got germanized in time, so were Germans living in Poland better polonizing.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2133
17 Feb 2011 #112
They spoke German AND Polish! We still do! the "polonization" your talking about haven't had full effect until it reached my dad which knew zipp German what so ever! Now ofcourse he tries to learn soem as he is working in an German company but but...
One can still be ethnically German and consider himself Polish by nationality! Polish nationalism is a bit more open then the German one BB. It had to accustom to all the minorities that allways been living IN Poland. That's why for instance there were Jews whom considered themselves to be Polish! Like in the pianist! When they were marching and throwing bread over the wall they were singing a Polish patriotic song... go figuere?
Well thank the Nazi's... After ww2 anybody even reminding anythign about Germans were a bad thing! + add nobel roots! The commie party WERE NOT fond of my family AT ALL!
so were Germans living in Poland better polonizing.
One can still be ethnically German and consider himself Polish by nationality! Polish nationalism is a bit more open then the German one BB. It had to accustom to all the minorities that allways been living IN Poland. That's why for instance there were Jews whom considered themselves to be Polish! Like in the pianist! When they were marching and throwing bread over the wall they were singing a Polish patriotic song... go figuere?
PS: I'm not quite sure what to make of your family Gruni. But it always sounds really sad how your family was made to so absolutely deny their roots. One could even call it "self-hate"...that is never healthy..
Well thank the Nazi's... After ww2 anybody even reminding anythign about Germans were a bad thing! + add nobel roots! The commie party WERE NOT fond of my family AT ALL!
Most Jews in Poland were very proud of their culture and CHOSE to be separate from Poles
LOL And also because Poles weren't to fond of them and didn't want to mix with them.
Poles in general probably have a higher chance of having some Ukrainian or German in them then Jewish
They do, from what i've read it's Ukrainian, then German, Russian, and Lithuanian. I believe the intermarriage rate between Poles and Lithuanians was the highest except in actual numbers it fell behind due to the low overall Lithuanian population.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
17 Feb 2011 #114
One can still be ethnically German and consider himself Polish by nationality! Polish nationalism is a bit more open then the German one BB.
Yeah...must'n mix up ethnicity and nationality...not so easy these days!
Germans have problems with that I admit...
Well thank the Nazi's... After ww2 anybody even reminding anythign about Germans were a bad thing! + add nobel roots! The commie party WERE NOT fond of my family AT ALL!
Ach scratch that...I only know the tidbits you tell the forum and you always make sure that everybody knows that your family is not really German at all and does everything to stamp that heritage out...being double proud Poles...extra strong!
Sorry if I misinterpreted that.
I mean you can hate the Nazis but be still german...where is the sense in changing your ethnicity after politics!
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2133
17 Feb 2011 #115
Yeah...must'n mix up ethnicity and nationality...not so easy these days!
Indeed
That's why many people have a misunderstanding when coming to American nationalism... Many have ethnicities from Europe or other places and are have some cultural roots from there. But in nationality= American
ShortHairThug - | 1101
17 Feb 2011 #116
so many Germans who intermingled with Poles had also their ounce jewish heritage in them..ergo... ;)
Interesting theory but you’re forgetting one thing, those were the first Poles tp leave Dodge, now they are back on the German soil intermingling with the locals for the past 25 years.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
17 Feb 2011 #117
Interesting theory but you’re forgetting one thing, those were the first Poles tp leave Dodge,
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What dodge?
ShortHairThug - | 1101
17 Feb 2011 #118
Dodge City, I thought you were fascinated by the Americans hence the expression.
Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11831
17 Feb 2011 #119
Okay...*takes notes*
BB tisk tisk you didn't know what Dodge was? American expression like" I don't think we're in Kansas anymore"