Was Daniel Fahrenheit a Pole?

I agree.

*shakes hands back*

The reason that you are called American is that you have renounced all allegiance to any country other than the USA and have sworn to attack Poland if the USA tells you to do so.


Only certain Germans. For example, von Zelewski was born in what is now Poland into a family descended from Polish nobility but no Pole wants to claim him, could that be something to do with his war crimes (including overseeing the destruction of Warsaw)?


George Washington was obviously Polish: the only proof you need of that is the fact that he was deliberately excluded from the 1946 victory parade in London.

Fahrenheit, a Pole?

if Serbia recognizes him as a Pole and if as a famous Pole he got monument or statue in Serbia, then he was a Pole.

That's interesting.

Crow do you think there is a chance Serbia will do that?

The original idea that Columbus was Polish came from a Spaniard or a Portugeese or an Italian person. It has been made into the cover story of one of the recent issues of "NEEWSWEEK Polska". I didn't even bother to buy a copy. Later on I've heard several prominent Polish historians dismissing it as absolute nonsense. But nonsense tends to be repeated on the Polish Forums.


I think I saw this sentence of yours several times already on the Polish Forums; you only change the names of persons concerned. By the way, what's the English equivalent of this Polish saying: "to jest dowcip z długą brodą" [meaning that a joke was repeated so many times before that everyone is bored when having to listen to it once again]?

He was a German citizen of the Commonwealth.

I am sure that you are entirely mistaken: the search engine shows that I've used the joke precisely once before.

You take that back! The Germans insisted that my family were Germans as they derived from "Schultz" (They wrote it Szulc) but they said: "NO! We are Poles!" :)

So don't come here and tell me no Germans wanted to feel Polish! Lies!


No "true Poles" would ever had done that if you catch my drift...

Polish nationality is so complicated... At the same time anyone can become one... at other time only a few... It's so confusing!

...especially as they live in Denmark! ;)

I was talking about my Grunwald/Szulc side, not Milde


???

But your family were Polish, unless you want to take the word of the Nazis over the word of your own family....


You mean that no true Pole would ever swear to attack Poland when lawfully ordered to do so by a foreign power? I agree entirely, pity that SepticBoy doesn't.

Culturally they were more German... But in sense of nationality they felt more Polish then Germans... Especially at those times

Indeed, you are right. You had only mentioned Zamenhof as a guy who was not invited to take part in the London victory parade of 1946 before you've added George Washington to the list. But you obviously mentioned the parade so many times before it [which your own search shows] that I eventually did get confused over the details.

I didn't realise that you had Jewish blood in you.


That is indeed correct. Although I've never mentioned it in connection with another man who was not invited to take part because he was Polish: Erich von Zelewski....

What on earth are you talking about? When the Germans invaded Poland people got caught and shot in the streets for no good reason. Having a German "paper" would save you from that... But my family felt disgust over the Nazi's and their "lackeys" so they didn't think they really were Germans... They felt more Polish then German in that sort of sense

Sure, have your laugh BB!

Aren't you mixing things up? Political resistance and ethnicity???

But sorry for mixing up Denmark with Norway...normally I point only up north.... ;)

Because until nationalism became popular in Poland in late 19th and early 20th century Poland was much more tolerant than other European nations we had no ethnic persecutions or religious wars.


Just cause YOU have Jewish in you doesn't mean most Poles do. Poles mostly mixed with Ukrainians and Germans, i wrote before Jews saw themselves and were seen as different that's why the intermarriage between ethnic Poles and Jews was only 1%. library.flawlesslogic.com/poles.htm

This is from a book written by a Polish Jew.

Sounds great for the Poles but why should a German feel polish?
Did the Poles feel german during the partitions???

That's not in the slightest bit true: look the way you people treated slaves, and the way that you had laws against inter-racial marriage and co-education until the 1960s. And the genocide that you committed against the original inhabitants of your country.

In the period strictly before the second partion of Poland in 1793, the German inhabitants of Gdańsk/Danzig were dismayed at the prospect of getting under the rule of Prussia. They despised Prussia and its king Frederic and were choosing to remain Polish subjects instead. Unfortunately, Catherine the Great of Russia - who for example ordered the Prussians to move back from lands beyond the new frontier near Toruń/Thorn which the two partitioning powers decided in a treaty, bits of lands which the Prussians tried to steal of Poland despite already getting into possession of the partition territory 'legally' stolen under the treaty thereupon mentioned - remained unmoved, and Gdańsk 'crossed over' to Prussia against the will of its predominantly German population to eventually remain an old Prussian town ever since, although not beyond 1945 when another Russian tsar, Joseph Stalin, or uncle Joseph for the closer circle of acquaintances, decided the other way round.

I'm telling it to show that everything changes and someone who was born Polish may become German in the course of life or vice versa. All in all, God save the Queen who will - as we all on the Polish Forums hope - remain British for ever and ever (unless she decides to become Australian or Polish one day)!

Because Poland didn't partition Germany and persecute it's people, a German didn''t have a reason to hate Poland if he was born there he could see Poland as his true homeland and feel a Pole. I'm sure you know Germans began settling in Poland in large numbers back in the 12th century, a generation or two they intermarried with Poles ans saw themselves as Poles. That last large German population of Poland who was born in then German lands (Posen, Silesia,Danzig etc.) who lived in large German communities who only lived in Poland for a few decades didn't have time to assimilate and still saw itself as nothing other than German.

You admit that people can be more than one nationality then? Would you then call von Zelewski Polish and German? He would be invited to the London victory parade as German then?

Ummm....he could by why should he?


Do you know that towns like your beloved Krakow were re-settled and re-build almost exclusively by Germans, don't you?

Why do you think it came to a large scale polonization? Do you really believe all that warm fuzzy I-love-to-be-polish crap?

You still have no proof that the majority of Germans living in Poland felt that way, maybe wealthy people or noble how did the majority, the common people feel?


Because they were afraid a historically Polish city, Krakow, was gonna be lost as Gdansk was, large blame for it rests with the Polish King's decision to inviting the Teutonic Knights to Poland and giving them Culmerland which meant being almost surrounded by Germans.

Poles are a proud people we are proud to be Polish, we're proud to be Slavs your problem is BB that you believe we want to be like you we really don't,I know Poles who are rich and have no reason to wish they're German and still point out Germans bad manners, girls "beauty", rudeness and other things.

To sum up, no Daniel Fahrenheit was not a Pole but he was certainly far more Polish than certain people who do claim to be Polish (and apparently can not discuss things without making personal insults).

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Boy, you really have to observe yourself!

Do you really think someone changes its ethnic heritage just like that???
Nobody else clings to his heritage even afte centuries but only the Poles do???


And that's why you trying to tell me all Germans can't wait to shed their german heritage to become part of the great, phantastic Poland????

You sweared allegiance to the US voluntarily I read? No more Pole in you now, isn't there?

No, sweetie pie, you stay lovely as you are at your place and we will stay as we are at ours.


Excellent point BTW.

****, Harry don't do it just to spite me, according to your logic - he was born in Poland, therefore he was A Pole!


I don't know about that, but your ancestor's four or five generations ago were a quite possibly Polish!
Some weak link in your DNA?:)


That exchange of people had been on-going for generations between Germanic and Poles, and that it makes the Nazi crap even more crappy !


Cut the crap, you are such a bore !

do you really believe it and if so, what makes you believe it?