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Why communism failed in Poland?


lesser 4 | 1,311  
27 Mar 2009 /  #211
Communism never failed in Poland because it was never tried in Poland.

It was, just not in the most radical form.

Poland experienced State Capitalism, which is something that Lenin said he was building.

There is no such system like state capitalism, this is just demagogy of modern communist activists.

Communism is a highly democratic

Yes, while democracy means terror of majority.

the communism didnt fail it is still in their minds and their attitudes

I would say socialism as far as older people are concentrated. The EU spend huge money on propaganda to push younger people in the same direction.

PS. if espana has something to do with Spain, then don't let me start about Spanish attitude...

Well, they voted for Zapatero... :)
jwojcie 2 | 763  
28 Mar 2009 /  #212
Many of you pro communist people usually refers to how capitalism is bad because of the big greedy companies. Yes, to big and powerful is a problem, but what you seem to forget is that almost in all capitalist countries most part of GDP fall to small bussiness, very often small family bussiness. In fact small bussiness is in the core of capitalist system (for example in USA it is almost 70% of GDP). In my opinion the most important error in communist ideology lies in undermining small bussiness. There is no prosperity without small bussiness, there is no fast rebuild after crisis without small bussiness. Every political system which undermines small bussiness is doomed.

This is exactly what happened in Poland in communism era, small bussiness has been eradicated. Half of the GDP was gone and people got angry...
NomadatNet 1 | 457  
28 Mar 2009 /  #213
Hello (New to the forum.)

Have been after some info on Polish culture and came across this discussion and read most of posts. As being an outsider (from Turkey) and being one been never been to Poland, you can consider I am not knowledgable about how communism worked in Poland. But, sometimes the less knowledge the more broaden view.

I think communism has not failed not only in Poland but also anywhere in the world.
Note that capitalism has been the only system of human being for tousands of years.
Socialism or communism are very young system that is still experiencing things like a child. Note that it is only a century while capitalism is very old. Capitalism (based on the greed that doesn't care about you ordinary people's even basical living conditions) is now in coma! Follow global economy crisis. So, if communism has failed in a few experiences, capitalism has been failing over tousands of years.

Anywa, soon, very soon, foresee a world socialism/communism. Then, since there will be no war of capitalism vs communism anymore new world economy system will be much better for us ordinary people, 99% of the world. Socialism/communism can not do better when it's in a war (with capitalist world) as communism is peaceful system for the majority. We have seen capitalism throughout the human history as warfull system. Ordinary people, you are killing/being killed, not the riches. Get a life..
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
28 Mar 2009 /  #214
Hello NomadatNet,

And welcome to the Polish forums.

As being an outsider (from Turkey) and being one been never been to Poland, you can consider I am not knowledgable about how communism worked in Poland. But, sometimes the less knowledge the more broaden view.

I don't know what to say, you have a more broad view because you know nothing about a subject?.
That makes no sence.
NomadatNet 1 | 457  
28 Mar 2009 /  #215
Thanks for welcome.

Those who are lost in details usually miss the real points and miss the overall scene of the world.

I know basical things which are enough to have a broad view.
For example, you don't have to be in Poland or Polish to see current global economy crisis of capitalism is causing tens of tousands of jobless Polish people too.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
28 Mar 2009 /  #216
I think communism has not failed not only in Poland but also anywhere in the world.

Could you explain this to me, Please?.

new world economy system will be much better for us ordinary people, 99% of the world.

And what makes you think that communism, as in the form that was here in Poland, would make the world economy better?.
espana 17 | 931  
28 Mar 2009 /  #217
They hired us because

they hired you because you work for peanuts :)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
28 Mar 2009 /  #218
Anywa, soon, very soon, foresee a world socialism/communism.

Some people said that already a 100 years back! :)

Communism will be always at war...with the common human nature!
It can only survive in books, as a theory, an idea and in lala land, but never in reality.
Because it' made for fantasy people with fantasy ideals and fantasy attitudes.
So communists try to change the people to make their ideology work...but that's not going to work in the long run because nature will always be stronger!
jwojcie 2 | 763  
28 Mar 2009 /  #219
jwojcie:
They hired us because

they hired you because you work for peanuts :)

You would be surprised... :-)
OP southern 75 | 7,096  
28 Mar 2009 /  #220
Note that capitalism has been the only system of human being for tousands of years.

Really?So the Sumerians and Egyptians were capitalists as well as the Romans.What did the English really invent?
Randal 1 | 577  
28 Mar 2009 /  #221
sometimes the less knowledge the more broaden view

He speaks the truth. The more “knowledgeable” persons here have the most narrow of views.

Communism will be always at war...with the common human nature!
It can only survive in books, as a theory, an idea and in lala land, but never in reality.
Because it' made for fantasy people with fantasy ideals and fantasy attitudes.
So communists try to change the people to make their ideology work...

Quite right.
OP southern 75 | 7,096  
28 Mar 2009 /  #222
So communists try to change the people to make their ideology work...but that's not going to work in the long run because nature will always be stronger!

Honecker speaking.
NomadatNet 1 | 457  
29 Mar 2009 /  #223
So communists try to change the people to make their ideology work...but that's not going to work in the long run because nature will always be stronger!

You follow Nature (animals, plants, etc etc) or You follow Humans.
In other words,
Either Nature changes you or you change yourself.
You chose.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
29 Mar 2009 /  #224
Honecker speaking.

I doubt it...he was rather one of the "We change the people to fit our ideas"- kind of politician!
Humans ARE nature.
Going against nature will fail sooner or later...you chose!
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Mar 2009 /  #225
Humans ARE nature.

It's just human nature. Man = animal. That's nothing to be ashamed of. If people thought about how humans are animals and that using the word animal as an insult, flies against the face of nature. "These people are behaving like animals" they say when people are doing something bad. Why not when people are just doing anything that people do?

Every ideology will eventually fail. It's called evolution. It's what animals do.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
29 Mar 2009 /  #226
It's called evolution. It's what animals do.

Can I use this as my sig?
Randal 1 | 577  
29 Mar 2009 /  #227
If people thought about how humans are animals and that using the word animal as an insult, flies against the face of nature. "These people are behaving like animals" they say when people are doing something bad. Why not when people are just doing anything that people do?

I think calling someone an animal is generally reserved for when they behave uncivilized.

Sure, all humans are technically animals but some are more animal than others.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Mar 2009 /  #228
Randal, you have failed to understand the point I was making. I didn't think I'd need to make so much effort to explain it.

uncivilized

and what does that mean? People call other people animals for many forms of bad behaviour, not just putting their elbows on the table when they eat, talking with their mouths full and not having an urbanised society.

Sure, all humans are technically animals but some are more animal than others.

Every human is as animal as every other human. There are different facets to human nature, some we like, some we don't like. They are all human, they are all animal.
CoolMoon 1 | 60  
29 Mar 2009 /  #229
I think calling someone an animal is generally reserved for when they behave uncivilized.

Why? There are some very organized and civilized animal societies out there. So really, when someone behaves in an uncivilized manner they are simply an uncivilized human, not an animal who may, in fact, be more civilized than them.

Why did communism fail in Poland? Because people had enough. Whenever people have truly had enough, they will create change or help change along.
NomadatNet 1 | 457  
29 Mar 2009 /  #230
You always say say say "communism failed."

If communism failed once or two, capitalism have been failing over tousands of years again again and again. Right now, it is failing again. Read news about millions of jobless people nowadays, global economy crisis, etc etc.

So?

Will you continue to try capitalism again and again!?

Try another one. Your woman became a b!tch!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
29 Mar 2009 /  #231
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Do you think that communism was failed?

Do you really think so? Then you should cast a glance at the present situation in Europe. Do you believe in the infalliability of modern capitalism? Just wait a little, two years of crisis and you will call for a simple and vegetarian times of peoples' republics. Relax, you were tricked again. Now you should think about the question, why capitalism failed in Poland and throughout Europe.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
29 Mar 2009 /  #232
Capitalism isn't perfect as any structure that was, is and ever will be created by humans. There can't be anything perfect in the world which if left alone due to the entropy will go to chaos. But capitalism can't ever be compared to a degraded form of living called communism where slogan "everyone will get according to his desires and from everyone is demanded according to his abilities" prospers. If you don't have private property and you are forced to put your talents to the grave like was in the corrupted Soviet Union, you don't really evolve or care. There have always been a big problem with alcoholism in that retarded formation of countries. One of the reasons was that you couldn't be prosperous and get rich, develop your ideas, write something new (all was to follow the harsh ruler of the "party"), travel abroad to see other people and compare your "constant deficit" living with theirs. Drinking was a solution for many and I can understand why. Many of the medicine branches as well as science (except for flying into the space - how nice - and military) are underdeveloped and will stay like that for many years to come. Communist leaders and big shots of that system go to capitalist countries to get treated with different diseases. Why not stay in theie country, Cos? Would you be able to write here on this forum if your country was communist now like China? I don't think so. Capitalism is not perfect as I said, but it is the most advanced considering all others and benefit much more people than in the Soviet Union where only party leaders lived like kings and the rest were scared and poor. I didn't mention about billions and billions of dollars they stole during collectivization and appropriation as well as when the Soviet Union collapsed and all the savings people had where somehow "lost"!!! There should be a great investigation on that issue. So, please, stop your foolish talk of communism glorification, because it is nonsense at best.
1jola 14 | 1,879  
29 Mar 2009 /  #233
two years of crisis and you will call for a simple and vegetarian times of peoples' republics.

I think everyone misses the "vegeterian times". (Read: empty shelves).

People like Constantinek were either the priveleged few in the communist system, or more likely a son of an apparatchik who now has to actually do something for a living.
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
29 Mar 2009 /  #234
Communism is an ideal system for shameless parasites who like to suck out of the work of others while doing nothing. All they know is how to make others believe that this is OK and invent new ways to exploit others. Any contradiction is being suppressed because it undermines their "history" and "right" to say what to do.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
29 Mar 2009 /  #235
You hardly can blame me for my "glorification of communism", because actualy my political preferences lies in absolutely different pole. I preffer monarchy to republic and absolutism to democracy. But communism is not a political system as you think but a ethernal dream of mankind about the equality. That is why communism never have failed and never will fail.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
29 Mar 2009 /  #236
"Ethernal dream of equality???"

Pleeeaaaase...how old are the communist theories?
It was an idea...and ideal...never dreamd mankind a dream of equality!
Some nerds live in lala land that's all...

And of course an idea won't fail in books...there it will survive, there it belongs.
But the reality is a different thing! And there it will fail...everytime...

PS: Not to mention that for the beginning/upcoming post-industrial age the target audience shrinks away...
Nathan 18 | 1,363  
29 Mar 2009 /  #237
I preffer monarchy to republic and absolutism to democracy.

This is exactly what communism inevitably leads to.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 12,063  
29 Mar 2009 /  #238
Yeah...with the monarch called "party leader"....
OP southern 75 | 7,096  
29 Mar 2009 /  #239
I preffer monarchy to republic

A new Czar?Or Romanov again?
shopgirl 6 | 928  
29 Mar 2009 /  #240
"These people are behaving like animals" they say when people are doing something bad. Why not when people are just doing anything that people do?

I see what you are saying, but I would interject that human have free will to make informed choices, where animal behavior is more directed by instinct and basic needs (food, water, survival etc.).

When the comment is made that "these people are behaving like animals" I always took that expression to mean that the humans were ignoring their ability to make informed choices, and were acting on basic instincts instead. ?????

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