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Why communism failed in Poland?


celinski 31 | 1,258  
8 Mar 2009 /  #181
would think you would prefer a correct history than just an apology.

I do try, but i am still sorry.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436  
9 Mar 2009 /  #182
Because a communist system is bound to fail sooner or later, mainly because of the whole planed economy, communism with a free market economy, like China for instance can work. I just hope they'll use their new wealth to improve the quality of life of their people, but knowing communists i dought it, it'll just go for the military. i read an intersting article about how through huge investments and purchases for the military in 10 years they hope to be able to win a limited war with any neighbor and in 20 to 30 years with any nation on this planet, they're planing something big.
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #183
they're planing something big.

same one could say about so-called USA missile defence, this one something big and aimed at our peaceful nation of North Korea, which is why every citizen is building tunnels. and we are erecting monuments.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #184
which is why every citizen is building tunnels

I was digging over the weekend. I started out digging a big hole to make a new pond and it got bigger and bigger as I liked using the digger. Do you think I should carry on and build some some sort of underground shelter. Also what sort of monument do you recommend for me to erect. A giant Koi carp perhaps or maybe a statue of Maggie Thatcher?
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #185
Do you think I should carry on and build some some sort of underground shelter.

yes it is wise to organize bunkers for the coming troubles. you will need also much canned food, tinned beef for example.

A giant Koi carp perhaps or maybe a statue of Maggie Thatcher?

no Magret Thatcher unless you build a park devored to revisionist blood sucking colonialists. I recommend monuments glorifying the people and their struggle for achievemnt of the ideal commune. perhaps Ho Chi Minh is a good monument to build. or Rosa Luxemberg because she is a Polish one. but best of course is Kim Jong Il, the Dear Leader.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #186
perhaps Ho Chi Minh is a good monument to build.

Ah, but that would not go down well in my capitalist commune village. I fear it would be vandalised by roaming gangs of barbour clad unemployed investment bankers. Perhaps I could put his statue in the tunnels instead. After all there was a track record of the real Ho spending time in tunnels no?

Back on track. Communism will always fail because of the inherent greed of the human race. Animal farm and all that.
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #187
Communism will always fail because of the inherent greed of the human race.

not so if proper socialistic spirit is indoctrinated in young child from birth. political indocrinatriration begin with nursery school then kindegarten where young pupil learn to love Dear Leader as well as spirit of the commune. for those who do not comply we have re-education camp for example.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #188
not so if proper socialistic spirit is indoctrinated in young child from birth

Ah, so we must brainwash the young. What a wonderful world that would be.

Tell me Juche, Juche baby, does the DL live in the same conditions as his devoted people, or does he live in spendour and tootle around in a nice Mercedes?
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #189
or does he live in spendour and tootle around in a nice Mercedes?

leader always deserve some respect therefore Mercedes is nice for him. not so in Poland?
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
9 Mar 2009 /  #190
im so ronery
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #191
leader always deserve some respect therefore Mercedes is nice for him

Surely all the people of the DPRK should have a Merc then? I mean that would be real communism wouldn't it? Traffic jams in capital might be a problem though.
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #192
Surely all the people of the DPRK should have a Merc then? I mean that would be real communism wouldn't it?

communism is not for everyone to have fancy car. communism is for all to be owners of production and have say in how many thimbles or spitoons the commune produces for example. and so we have freedom to make product for whole nation and not just for greedy colonialist and for his profit. that is the way.
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #193
communism is for all to be owners of production

Ah, we must all be shareholders then.

have say in how many thimbles or spitoons the commune produces for example.

And we must all sit on the Board of Directors too...

Where will the workers come from then? I know. We can import them from Central and Eastern Europe, pay them peanuts and exploit them. Just proves that commuinsm and capitalism are identical. Which leads credence to the wonderful paper that a young Szarlotka produced that proved that the The Theory of Perfect Competition and a centrally planned economy were one and the same. It was laughed at all those years ago but I always knew I was right. Now the whole world will acknowledge that fact.

Juche is my comrade in capitalism. This pleases me so I must away to erect a monument
Juche 9 | 292  
9 Mar 2009 /  #194
Where will the workers come from then? I know. We can import them from Central and Eastern Europe, pay them peanuts and exploit them.

typical Polish prefer earning bags of peanuts then Polish curreny, which is dropping in value and soon will be worth less than North Korean Won.
Randal 1 | 577  
9 Mar 2009 /  #195
so if proper socialistic spirit is indoctrinated in young child from birth. political indocrinatriration begin with nursery school then kindegarten where young pupil learn to love Dear Leader as well as spirit of the commune. for those who do not comply we have re-education camp for example

You have described just what the Liberals are doing to America.

im so ronery

Loved that movie! Lol...
Shawn_H  
9 Mar 2009 /  #196
Surely all the people of the DPRK should have a Merc then

Please make it a Chevy. The central planning committee could keep all of the glorious workers of Detroit busy.
PennBoy 76 | 2,436  
9 Mar 2009 /  #197
But seriously, communism wasn't all that bad at least there was respect for the law, everyone had a job, a place to live, rent cost very little in comparison to saleries. In the 1970's after Edward Gierek borrowed billions from The U.S and West Germany and invested it into the ecomomy for a new years things were getting alot better, till that damn petroleum crisis of the late 70's. Poland was a major food exporter, but since a huge debt had pilled up it had to sell more food than it really could, then there were food shortages in store, strikes and we all know the eventual outcome. If u can't provide the basic necesities for your people, somethings wrong, u should listen to what i'm sayin Mr. North Korea :)
szarlotka 8 | 2,208  
9 Mar 2009 /  #198
But seriously, communism wasn't all that bad

Not sure my wife would agree with that comment.

The central planning committee could keep all of the glorious workers of Detroit busy.

I thought Mr O was taking care of that ;)
Crow 160 | 10,261  
9 Mar 2009 /  #199
Why?

communism is stupid. That`s why
Czarnobog - | 33  
9 Mar 2009 /  #200
Communism never failed in Poland because it was never tried in Poland.

Poland experienced State Capitalism, which is something that Lenin said he was building.

Communism is a highly democratic, worker controlled social system -- I don't think any country has fit that bill. We've had glimpses of it in Spain in 36, in France in 68, Chiapas in 94, but Russia, China and Cuba have never seen communism.
Juche 9 | 292  
26 Mar 2009 /  #201
Why?

communism is stupid. That`s why

this is true only if you are capitalist puppeteer hoping to enslave working class, who aspire to build friendship filled future with workers and peasants of all world
espana 17 | 931  
26 Mar 2009 /  #202
the communism didnt fail it is still in their minds and their attitudes
Juche 9 | 292  
26 Mar 2009 /  #203
very good!
Crow 160 | 10,261  
26 Mar 2009 /  #204
Crow:
Why?

communism is stupid. That`s why

this is true only if you are capitalist puppeteer hoping to enslave working class, who aspire to build friendship filled future with workers and peasants of all world

there is no competition provided by free-market in communism and so communism lead to economic failure

True, in any modern economy you have some aspects of planed (controled) market but still great deal of economy depend on free-market. There are laws that are designed to protect competition (anti-monopoly laws).

In communism, state tend to eliminate free-market (natural economic laws) and to control economy (everything). Only one, privileged leyer of society profits from it. So, that what is known to us as communism regularely leads to anti-democracy.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2,019  
26 Mar 2009 /  #205
So, that what is known to us as communism regularely leads to anti-democracy.

I like most of your comments but that one just fits very NIZE! Nicea! ... I MENT NICE!
Crow 160 | 10,261  
26 Mar 2009 /  #206
thank you. :)

I giving my best to Polishforums and from time to time moderators thank me sending my threads to off-topic. There is no justice ;)
jwojcie 2 | 763  
27 Mar 2009 /  #207
the communism didnt fail it is still in their minds and their attitudes

Well espana, speak for yourself...

PS. if espana has something to do with Spain, then don't let me start about Spanish attitude...
krakowiak  
27 Mar 2009 /  #208
then don't let me start about Spanish attitude...

Bring it on! Spaniards make splendid communists in my eyes!

Crow

You seem just stupid! Didn't recent events prove your stance wrong? During the biggest economical crash of the las century USSR had one of its highest grows in steal as well as in crops.

After all we we have done for our slavic brothers within your community - slavs are predestinated for communism with their generations long of being peasants, living in a society of brotherly bounded individuals. But I'm aware that most of the Serbs are good hardworking people with low demand for exploitation.

The problem lies within the implementation. Communism evolved in Russia together with a strong warrior-caste. Being first attacked by the whites who were helped by the rest of the world and then Germans in WWII and then cold war. So the war-machinery never ceased to grow and outnumbered any other sector.
jwojcie 2 | 763  
27 Mar 2009 /  #209
jwojcie:
then don't let me start about Spanish attitude...

Bring it on! Spaniards make splendid communists in my eyes!

Well, a few years ago I was working in Spain for couple of months in some IT project... It was consultant role. They hired us because they have a fire going on. Anyway after few days we found out why there was a fire:

- nobody had any idea what they were doing
- usually they were starting at 9:30, but weren't doing anything till "siesta"
- between 01:00 - 03:00 p.m. almost everybody was out
- well, at 04:00 p.m. they were starting to realize that they had done nothing
- about 06:00 p.m. everybody was terrified because managers came and shouted "why nothing was working?!" so they all was staying till 09:00 p.m.

Managers... well, all they've been doing was never ending every day meetings and pissing off everyone by asking "what were you doing all day?" (well, everyone was at the meeting, right? )

In the end in spite of huge part of the system wasn't working at all project ended "successfully"... Only because of client apparently didn't assume that it will work properly anyway...

So you can see clearly similarities with communist approach (at least in most of companies in communist Poland):
- not many people had any idea what is the purpose of his/her work
- not many people was doing anything at work
The difference was
- nobody cared about managers and leaved about 04:00 p.m.
- everybody knew that client wasn't important...
Crow 160 | 10,261  
27 Mar 2009 /  #210
You seem just stupid!

thank you

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