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Will Poland become like the UK ?


away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #1
Two weeks ago i was in Warsaw and i saw so many foreigners selling goods. I was at the bus station and it look terrible i just see rubbish and plastic all over which the foreigners leave lying all over . All this mess and hawkers and homeless people are foreigners . I also see many foreigners up to no good i recon they are scamming on Poles because the Polish arnt so keyed up on Internet scams and fraud. I wont mention nationalities which i saw however i know when i see scammers believe me, the Goverment must act now and stop foreigners living in Poland because it will become like the UK. The Goverment is to relaxed and letting Poland going down the wrong road , i think he must take a walk in Warsaw and at the bus station !
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
20 Jul 2007 /  #2
homeless people are foreigners .

Not true.
espana 17 | 910  
20 Jul 2007 /  #3
i think if people from poland go to uk and other places . in a few years poland will look like what is england now......full of asians ,africans ....and more ,more more more .....then dont complain if you are doing this now
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #4
ot true.

Ok sorry i didnt mean it ,lets just say most of them are ...

then dont complain if you are doing this now

No im not doing , i work and live in Poland im just very concerned.
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #5
Quoting: away guy
homeless people are foreigners .

Not true.

Do they have problems with alcohol or drugs and many of them are former prisoners for crime as it is in Russia?
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #6
No not all of them but some yes, some of them are just there ilegally and they dontgive Poland a good name and they dont serve Poland in any way.
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #7
As to alcohol depending people I thought about Polish citizens Grzegorz mentioned. Polish citizen if he is adle to work and if he is disciplined by one way or another can find a place ti live and work although the salary may be low. He can also leave for other EU states. That's the reason alcohol or drug dependence is suspected.

As to ilegals, that's the point. Polish government is going to give legality to foreign house construction workers, and as to people who are not going to work hard in Poland, they prefer ilegal status in Germany to legal one in Poland. The example are Chechens. They have many possibilities to stay in Poland and to receive a legal work but the majority leaves ilegally for Germany and Holland
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
20 Jul 2007 /  #8
I find this topic a bit insulting, Im English and I quite like my country, warts an all. And if foreigners dont like it here then they can fek off back to where they came from!
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #9
I meant it not in an insulting manner, just as an example. Yes the UK pretty and WAS a great place but look at it now it looks like a little india or little africa and why ? Because the goverment back in the days allowed foreigners and asylum seekers, refugees to stay and now they all over !!!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
20 Jul 2007 /  #10
away, aren't you a foreigner living in Poland ? You want to kick yourself out ?
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #11
Yes im not Polish, however my statement is clear that if you are a foreigner in any country you must give something back to the country. I work i dont do crime and i give alot to Poland. Im speaking about the foreigners that do crime and scam innocent people also the one's littering at the bus station in Warsaw, its sick man.
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #12
And if foreigners dont like it here then they can fek off back to where they came from!

I think season workers who arrive for some muonths gain money and return homes aren't so dangerous. But it occures that many of them prefer becoming ilegals later.

I think the reasons are: The lack of respounsable recruiting services abroad that can pay for possible deportation and compensate damage in general. Besides that a hostile activities of some businessman who employee such people and a corruption in police.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
20 Jul 2007 /  #13
businessman who employee such people and a corruption in police.

Very little if any police corruption in the UK - if anything far too much money is spent on community policing and liaising with immigrants.
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #14
corruption in police.

Very true, yes corruption is a gateway for many foreigners to stay on ilegally in countries. I believe goverments should crack down on ilegal immigrants in all the countries.
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #15
Because the goverment back in the days allowed foreigners and asylum seekers, refugees to stay and now they all over !!!

I wonder in our epoch the electronics can register everybody and one can be always detected even if he doesn't have documents, in case it is possible to oblige each visitor to put some USD 700 in a possible EU immigraton bank in order to cover his possible departition, EU is still discussing visa and other type of problems. That seems to be an obsolete approach. What are the reasons in your opinion?
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #16
Look fore example on the news , see how many African flee from there countries by boat to get into Europe , why because there goverments steal money for themselves and his families they dont look after there countries peoples, the EU should attcack these African goverments and jail them for good.

reasons in your opinion?

I feel police on the streets should stop and ask suspicious people for ID's to see if they are legal if not they should be sent home ASAP , simple as that , i see many people which i know are ilegal but they stay in UK, if i was a police man i would ask them passport plz ...
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #17
A Home Guard as during WWII is required in EU. It was the strongest obstacle against Nazi spies and commandos penetration. Itey will be able to cope with ilegals controlling each street
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #18
yes
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truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #19
I feel police on the streets should stop and ask suspicious people for ID's to see if they are legal if not they should be sent home ASAP , simple as that , i see many people which i know are ilegal but they stay in UK, if i was a police man i would ask them passport plz ...

away guy,
I shall oppose to such method. It is practicized widely in Russia but the result is only the corruption of patrol police. Nothing more.
I'm sure such ilegals are most vulnerable in places they live. If you controle residential sector, every street every house, sooner or later you will clean all the country. Look, police patrol will never be punished he didn't arrest an ilegal. Nobody knows there was such meeting. But if you are a landlord or any irregular home police officer, it is always easier to prove you have given a shelter to suspicious persons or at least haven't notice smth evident
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #20
Yes everyone should work together and fight against ilegals. Stats show that 85 % of ilegals do crime and fraud.
Lady in red  
20 Jul 2007 /  #21
Stats show that 85 % of ilegals do crime and fraud.

What stats are these ? Do you have a link to this information ?

I'm surprised by this information. Is there supporting evidence anywhere ?
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #22
Yes everyone should work together and fight against ilegals. Stats show that 85 % of ilegals do crime and fraud.

I'm the strong opposer of Chinese wall tentation i/e/ the desire to guard a fronteer strongly in order to prevent penetration. That is an expensive and unefficient measure. Each ilegal should be seized in locations. That is more efficient way

Besides that a strict controle in residential sector will permit to without separated costs cope with lumpens and criminals and drug depending people that aren't criminals

What stats are these ? Do you have a link to this information ?

I'm surprised by this information. Is there supporting evidence anywhere ?

In my opinion the mere fact of living ilegally is a crime.
Lady in red  
20 Jul 2007 /  #23
In my opinion the mere fact of living ilegally is a crime.

You are entitled to your view, that's what a democracy is all about. However, stating facts which are not correct is in my view propoganda. That's why I asked for the supporting information. Is there any ?
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #24
I'm wrong. No one can express emotions if facts are required
Lady in red  
20 Jul 2007 /  #25
No one can express emotions if facts are required

Of course they can. The very word emotion, sums up, that you are expressing your feelings You don't need to make up statistics to convey your emotions. Emotions are powerful and don't need false data, in fact they don't need any data at all :)

It's all about how you feel isn't it ?
truhlei 10 | 332  
20 Jul 2007 /  #26
Emotions are powerful and don't need false data, in fact they don't need any data at all :)

That's so. We the Russians are very frightened by imigrants from Central Asia and Caucasus but we often don't know details. We don't know even an appoximate percentage of season imigrants who come, gain and return to their families and the percentage of ilegals who is going to stay forever
Lady in red  
20 Jul 2007 /  #27
e the Russians are very frightened by imigrants from Central Asia and Caucasus

Why are you frightened of them ? Do they cause you physical harm ? How do the illegal immigrants affect you ?

May I ask something further ? How free is the press and media in Russia ?
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #28
Lady in Red why are you defending the ilegals ? Are you an ilegal maybe ? Are u scared the cops will knock on ur door ? We are just stating the fact that we hope Poland doesnt become a shittt hole like the UK and many other EU countries with so many ilegals giving nothing back to the country , all they do is beg steal and make problems , they should go home. Lady in Red have u seen the bus station in Warsaw ? Go take a look please and tell me do you think all that rubbish is made by the Poles or immigrants ?
Lady in red  
20 Jul 2007 /  #29
Lady in Red why are you defending the ilegals

Where am I defending the 'illegals' as you call it ? i asked some simple, honest questions.

You are making wild accusations and comments, writing information which is incorrect and being quite racist. I welcome anybodys point of view, whether I agree or not but you are just spouting out a lot of information which doesn't appear correct and the only way you know how to debate it is to make personal attacks.

all they do is beg steal and make problems

How do you know that ? What is it based on ? Where is your supporting information ?
OP away guy 10 | 343  
20 Jul 2007 /  #30
How do you know that ? What is it based on ? Where is your supporting information ?

Go look in Warsaw, those people that were begging from me couldnt speak correct Polish. Secondly when im in uK visiting all the scum that come to me or that i see begging or make the probs are not originally from the UK , you can hear their accents and the way they look . Like is said plz take a walk to Camden town or East london are or Warsaw bus station tell me you is the offenders , the British or the Poles ?

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